Important Question.

[Draco]

Hi all.

This is doesn't really refer to a current astrological occurance, but rather an astrological phenomenon in general that occurs every day. I didn't know where else to post this. I consider these to be important questions, for my own learning and that of other's.

My first question is, Why is it, that at the exact time of sunrise, the Sun is almost never precisely conjoined with the Ascendant, and why is it that at noon the Sun is almost never exactly conjoined with the midheaven? Logically, I would assume that at sunrise the Sun should always be precisely conjoined the Ascendant yet this is not the case.

I have cast charts when it has been obviously fully light outside, yet the Sun is beneath the horizon in the chart. In such a case, is the chart diurnal or nocturnal. Do we go with what is visibly obvious, and consider the chart diurnal, as we can see that it is daylight, or do we consider the chart nocturnal according to the chart which shows the Sun beneath the horizon? Ther latter option would fly in the face of common sense wouldn't it?

I hope that someone can provide an answer to this question, as it has bugged me since I first got into astrology, and I haven't yet found an answer.

[2rainbows]

hmmm, could this phenomenom have anything to do with earth in the midst of a polar shift?

[Frisiangal]

Hi Draco,

I think it may have something to do with any or all of the following:

1) The obliquity of the ecliptic. The Earth's rotation is not erect and horizontal like a spinning top at full motion but at an angle, rather like the same top when it's losing motion and 'wobbles' to one side.

2) From which moment does 'sunrise' begin? The moment it shows the first
crescent above the horizon or when it has cleared and is 'sitting' on the horizon and is in it's full glory.

3) Latitude.
The Ascendant is actually the SIGN rising on the eastern horizon at time of birth. It has nothing to do with Sunrise. As most of the world lives with time zones, which does not take latitudes into account, the Sun may be rising e.g. at John O'Groats in Scotland's latitude projected onto the zodiac, at which time it may still be pitch dark at Lands End in Cornwall's latitude at the same time, which is further westerly. The same, but opposite, could be said for sunset. East will be darker before west because of the earth's rotation.

F.