Concerned - please advise

[IcedWater]

Gurus,

I am attaching the composite chart of two very different personalities. The parents of the two people are great friends and introduced the two to each other. So far, nothing has really happened. The mothers of the individuals are very, very close, and the woman's mother, especially and in particular, is hoping that the youngsters would get together for the long haul.

What is your opinion? Does the composite chart indicate that this couple might POSSIBLY have a MEANINGFUL relationship that has a long term potential???? I am a novice, but I was interested and curious to note that there is heavy emphasis on the 2nd house - does this signify anything in particular?

Thank you all so much for your time and advise.

[Lithuel]

Analyzing a composite chart without the synastry chart is impossible. Could you post the synastry chart?

[IcedWater]

Hi Lithuel,

Here they are.

Astrowin.org stated that the dual cosmodyne TOTAL score between this prospective couple is 40.52, while an average harmony score is 10. So, the families hope that they will get together for the long haul. What do you think? Would there be any issues or hesitation on the part of one or both of them? Would this be a relationship that culminates in marriage? If so, then would the marriage be a happy one?

Thank you so much for your time and advise. Your feedback is greatly anticipated and appreciated!

[IcedWater]

Anyone???? Please??????? Thanks!!!!!

[Lithuel]

I don't know about others, but I find this chart to be very difficult to read. Follow the instructions on at the following link and I'll do my best to interpret!

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=12126

[IcedWater]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Lithuel.

I hope this attachment is more readable to you. I'm not very tech savvy and did my best to follow the instructions given here, please let me know if this chart will work or not.

[IcedWater]

Hi,

Does this work?

Thanks!

[Lithuel]

I see some potential for this relationship, but the charts also indicate it would be very difficult to integrate. For the interpretations below, I'm assuming you are the chart on the inside and your partner is on the outside.

On the positive side, your Sun, Moon, and Mercury sextile his Sun, which shows that there is some connection with easy, flowing energy between you two. However, your partner's Moon only makes aspects to Uranus (trine) and Neptune (square). This means your partner's emotional side (critical in relationships) feels like it's on a rollercoaster being trine Uranus, and because it's square Neptune, there's very likely delusion, confusion, deception, or fantasy in your partner's feelings toward you.

In addition, your Sun-Moon-Mercury Gemini stellium are opposite your partner's Mars in Sagittarius, which indicates a lot of conflict. The "Relationship" planets are both square each other, meaning Venus square Venus, and Mars square Mars, which indicates very conflicting (possibly incompatible) approaches to romance and sexuality.

Your Pluto is conjunct your partner's Mars, which indicates explosive conflicts, potential manipulation issues, etc.

For all the problems with these charts, your partner's Sun is conjunct your North Node. The North Node indicates how we are to evolve and learn in this life, so having someone's very essence (the Sun) activating our evolutionary path can be both exciting, disorienting, and enlightening.

Regardless of what the stars indicate, though, you have free will to pursue or not pursue the relationship. The stars impel, they do not compel.

Best of luck, whatever path life takes you!

[IcedWater]

Hi Lithuel,

Thank you!

To clarify, the chart of the woman (Sun, Moon and Mercury in Gemini) is that of a close friend. Her mother, who is also my god-mother, and the man's mother, are childhood friends and are hoping that this relationship might work out. Looks like it might not.

BTW, I'm curious... is there a way to attach charts via pm??? There is another chart I'd be grateful for you to check out...

Thanks again for your time, much appreciated.

[Lithuel]

I don't believe so. Just attach it on here and I or someone else should be able to interpret it. I'm going to sleep now, though

[IcedWater]

Here it is!!! It is the chart of the same girl, but with another man whom she briefly considered dating. The girl's mother expressed a lot of reservations due to their age difference, but it seems to me that my friend really liked this guy ... what do you think, Lithuel???? Thanks again, your assistance is very gratefully and greatly appreciated.

[astrologer50]

Have you tried a free composite chart with explanations being 'interactive'
Composite charts
If you go to www.astro.com click on free horoscopes, go to Interactive horoscopes, go down to Astroclick partner, that will bring up a composite chart and when you put the mouse over a planet will bring up a pop up box with the interpretation......

But you do need both times of birth to be accurate though.. enjoy.

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+compo sites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=fal se

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other.The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

[astrologer50]

“For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. As such, the conditions surrounding the planets and houses in the composite chart can show us different stages of development of the relationship over time.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html
click on link to read full article

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“Composite charts that has ascendant and midheaven agree in element will most closely describe the type of the relationship your partnership has formed. For instance a relationship that has Taurus on the Ascendant and Capricorn on the Midheaven will closely describe a “traditional” relationship. Those charts that do not agree will keep the element of the ascendant as the primary relationship style while incorporating the element of the Midheaven into the relationship. An analysis of the individual’s chart against the composite chart will show how his or her chart meshes with the composite chart and the style of the relationship”
http://starrynightastrology.com/2009/08/02/relationship-astrology-making-love-last-part-1-your-relationship-style/

Re: relationships
theortically EJ has the right order but I would question the interpretations of composites and davision's cos some members here who specialises reads composites as if they were davison charts.

1) In composites I disregard planetary sign placements and instead focus on houses where the planets fall and on aspects. The composite Sun is the most important.
2) Aspects that occur in both natals and in the composite/davison will be psychological issues that need to be worked on in the relationship.
3) Aspects that occur in the composite but not in the natals are issues rising within the relationship that have not been dealt with before by either party.
4) In Davison the main difference is to look at sign placement, whilst ignore sign placement in the composite. Also look for sign strength and weakness, mutual reception, sole dispositors.
5) In both ‘composites’ and ‘Davisons’, look for midpoints that are conjoined by planets in either natal. In composites, these relationships seem to be referring to psychological issues, while in ‘Davidsons’, the midpoint relationships tend to refer to forces acting on the couple from outside the relationship.
6) Try putting your natal planets around the outside of either chart, to see who relates best to this relationship and who is gaining the most. This can be rather revealing
7) Also remember you can use transits over both these charts and again Angles are very sensitive points
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180956&postcount=11

Davison chart v Composite chart
“Important point! Both of these charts are for the two of you as a couple. They show things that will tend to happen in the relationship as well as how you act towards the outside world when you are together. They have no effect when you are apart”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/relationshipdavidson26.0.htm

Anything is possible, don't let astrology limit or define who or what you do!

[astrologer50]

To start with it's best to look at the individual needs of each persons chart and how they relate and what they are looking for. Astro.com does have an option composite + natal midpoint method (2) which I find helpful. If you choose to post the synastry bi wheel from astro could you please select the 2nd synastry option as it will put the houses and degrees onto the wheel which is far better for us to evaluate matters....
If you post the synastry chart and realise it doesn’t show the degrees (which we need to look at) you can find the degrees and other information in a separate PDF on the synastry page of astro.com. Look for the link "View the additional tables (PDF)" and click on it to see the additional information. Reading a synastry chart is mainly about reading the aspects between the planets in the two charts. So once you find the PDF, scroll down to the bottom of the page and look in the synastry grid that is there. Unfortunately, you can only see/read these and not save/upload. That’s why I like to see both natal’s and composite. This grid (in my opinion) has too many minor aspects and the orbs are quite wide. I like to use + - max 3’

When looking at a woman’s chart the type of man she would look for is her sun sign and mars traits, plus 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.
When looking at a mans chart for the type of woman he would look for is his venus and moon sign and then 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.

Although synastry is a valuable tool with astrology it cannot 'make things happen' even if you have the best synastry in the world unfortunately..


If you want to research more into synastry try here
http://cafeastrology.com/astrology_of_relationships.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/interchartaspects.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry-houses.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastryaspects.html
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/astrology-marriage.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17513
http://www.astrotheme.com/synastry_advice.php

relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945

[IcedWater]

Hi Astrologer 50,

Thank you so much for your detailed posts. Since I'm completely new to all this, it might take me a while to understand all the information you have shared above, and then apply it correctly to interpret what the future may holds for my friend and the man that their mothers are hoping to couple her with.

Here is the composite + natal midpoint charts for the person that her parents are currently trying to get her to see (I've had to post this as three different pictures to protect the privacy of the persons involved -- I am doing this without permission and would not want any trouble in the future, especially if the relationship does not work out). I apologize in advance for any convenience that this may cause, please bear with me, given that I'm asking for advise on someone else's situation here.

The first chart belongs to the man in question, the second chart to the woman (the daughter of my god-mother) and the last chart is the composite chart.

Thanks again to you all for this wonderful forum and for spending your time and energy on helping people find answers to some difficult questions. I'm very grateful and glad to have found this forum -- I could never have figured this all out by myself!!!!!