Will China leave Tibet?

Kuntuzangmo · #1 02-19-2011, 07:25 PM

With the advent of so much upheaval against oppression, I wonder if the time has finally come for the Tibetans to be free from theirs?
China invaded sovereign Tibet in 1950 and again in 1959 when the Dalai Lama, spiritual and secular leader of the country, fled to exile in India who embraced him. For hundreds and hundreds of years Tibet had their own currency, their own language, legal system, postal sytem etc.....not to mention economics, schools and so forth.
I hope that the non-violent aspirations of the Tibetan people all over the world (many left as a result of the occupation and live in diaspora) for the liberation of Tibet will come true. I guess now is the time, with pluto doing its excellent job in trusty Capricorn.
Over 1/6th of the population have lost their lives under Chinese occupation. They cannot speak their language, practice their culture, openly revere their teacher, the Dalai Lama.
May the Tibetans and all beings be free.

Mark · #2 02-19-2011, 07:57 PM

I agree with your sentiments for freedom, but I don't foresee China leaving Tibet any time soon. China is the big dog in that yard and Tibet is the chew-toy. I think the Chinese will be focused on expansion as long as things are looking up for them. When their systems finally start falling apart (because they've become too much like us), then they will start to consider re-centralising their power base. As long as they are on top, however, the Chinese elite are not the sort to relinquish control of land and subjects.

Kuntuzangmo · #3 02-20-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark

I agree with your sentiments for freedom, but I don't foresee China leaving Tibet any time soon. China is the big dog in that yard and Tibet is the chew-toy. I think the Chinese will be focused on expansion as long as things are looking up for them. When their systems finally start falling apart (because they've become too much like us), then they will start to consider re-centralising their power base. As long as they are on top, however, the Chinese elite are not the sort to relinquish control of land and subjects.

Well put Mark. I would add, however, that it is perceived control, not actual control. When people are forced under extreme duress, that's not real.

Caro · #4 02-20-2011, 03:21 PM

Its weird I have been thinking a lot about this lately.
I have never been to Tibet, however have dreamed of it.

I do think that they Chinese may loosen their grip, and yes maybe with all this upheaval and clashes of the outer planets perhaps this will happen sooner.

I wonder if looking at the Dala Lama's chart would give an insight. How amazing if was able to go back in 2012 and what an extraordinary journey for him and the people of Tibet. They have taught the world a great deal.

Kuntuzangmo · #5 02-20-2011, 03:42 PM

Yes Caro. Indeed, how we all have benefitted so much by their sorrows.
I've realized that in a way, all their aspirations to benefit all beings came true....but at such a great cost.
I hope you are right, that we will witness Tenzin Gyatso returning to a free Tibet.
On this day, I will love and appreciate the Chinese again, and not think they have totally lost their hearts and minds.

Mark · #6 02-20-2011, 06:56 PM

The Dalai Lama would admonish you by saying that a lack of Love could only be a shortcoming in you. If they have forgotten their minds and hearts, then they are lost and need guidance. Until they realise that they are lost, however, they will act like territorial animals. This is the way of all who are lost. Love the lost and guide the wicked in the best way you know how.

Having said that, we should take into account that China is now the world's foremost superpower. The interesting thing about the club of thermonuclear superpowers is that once you are in, you can't be removed. As long as you wield the power to destroy the world, mutually assured destruction will insure that conflicts get settled in less destructive ways (by comparison). Whether we like it or not, China is now more powerful than the USA. As an American citizen, this has disheartened me in the past, but I see why it has happened. Our rich, greedy elite have formed alliances with the Chinese rich, greedy elite and have sold us to them.

As far as military power is concerned, China is the peer of the USA. As far as economic power is concerned, China has overwhelmed the USA. Civilisation is again winding its way westward. The interesting thing is the changes that the Chinese would never expect to see in themselves. Because they have taken this position, certain evolutions and revolutions must happen within and between the Chinese people. These can be seen when there is no preference for behaviour one way or the other. It will take a long time, but I believe that Tibet will eventually be free again.

Pallas-trine-Mars · #7 02-23-2011, 03:54 PM

*crossing fingers, hoping the brutal communist government will fall*

@Mark - That's really naive. Some people care more about base pettiness and greed than about good. The "people's" republic has killed MILLIONS over many decades to stay in power, that's what they're about. Dalai Lama and all the positive things he and his followers embody are their hated enemy and they enjoy making them suffer. They. Are. EVIL.

Mark · #8 02-23-2011, 05:01 PM

Really? I've been crossing my fingers and hoping that the brutal capitalist governments will fail. What is evil but the illusion of darkness? All the world is made of Light and the darkness is the illusion that keeps you from seeing the Truth that is ever-present. If we focus on the evil, we surround ourselves with darkness so that we cannot see. If we focus on the Light which IS, we will see all that is before us. Are they evil? Perhaps. Is there no evil whatsoever in you? In me? There is evil in all people and usually it is only their circumstance that determines what comes out of them. Life should be directed by Will, but most don't know how to find the Will or even that they should. We all have our failings. If I were born into the Chinese elite, I may have become something like they are. I'm glad that isn't the case, but it is another occurrence of the old adage: "There, but for the grace of God, goes me."

Pallas-trine-Mars · #9 02-23-2011, 05:29 PM

You aren't telling me anything new, Mark. The taijitu demonstrates how there is good and bad in everything, yes. But the difference between the PRC and you is the choices you make and the values to support. Just because you know better and just because you have the capability for sympathy and empathy and just because you value things over power doesn't mean everyone else will or would have the same preferences as you.

Let's say you and reverse-you both understand the same things about compassion and greed and see the good and bad in both sides. You decide not to take the path of power because to you ruthlessness is bad. To him compassion is bad because it restricts him from his goal and doing whatever it takes to accomplish it is what feels good to him.

That's the way I see it: That some people, not all people, know better, but they do the things they do in spite of it because the ugliness inside of them is so much stronger.

Another example of this is the Harry Potter series. Harry Potter and Tom Marvolo Riddle are both poor, unloved orphans who found a home at Hogwarts, but what was the difference in their destinies?

But yea, brother, you are correct. Let us thank God for His grace and forgiveness.