help me with this synastry!

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hello folks!!

I am posting the synastry chart of me n my ex boyfriend (that i am trying to get back with). I am anxious if someone could tell me whether we hold a lasting potential looking at the synastry.

Inner chart is of my ex and outer is mine.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=33474

In the above mentioned thread BobZemco has made very imp observation abt synastry that same ruler of ascendant (considering tranditional planets) indicates foundation to a long lasting relationship.

the imp aspects that i can point out are:

• in my case my ascendant gemini n his virgo, have the same ruler mercury.
• his NN conjunct my Ac and obviously SN my Dc ( that i have read is a karmic aspect and a good indicator)
• my sun mercury moon stallium falls very close to dis DC
• my AC-DC axis is same as his IC-MC and vice versa
• we have lots of saturn connections between us (that should indicates conflicts but also long lasting aspect)
• we dont hv mars venus aspects but despite that we had intense n passionate relationship

But i could just be seeing what i am hoping to see....could anyone help me in finding whether this is meant to be a lasting relationship...i'll be very grateful coz i have been very tensed because of this for past few months

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i see lots of views but no replies.....ppl plz help

[astrologer50]

relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945

[Lithuel]

One of the most important things to look for in relationship synastry is aspects between the Sun and Moon, and between Venus and Mars. Unfortunately, you don't have any of these. They really makes things hard in a relationship, because that means your egos, emotions, romantic sides, and libidos do not interact directly with each other.

Rather, it seems that the aspects you do have are outer-to-inner aspects. Particularly, Saturn and Pluto seem to aspect both your and his inner planets. Saturn can provide commitment to stay with someone, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. It can also keep you in a harmful, negative relationship and prevent you from breaking it off. The Pluto aspects are intoxicating, sexual, and magnetic, but can also indicate power plays, control, manipulation, and wounding.

While any relationship "has a chance" if you're really willing to work for it, I don't see much in this synastry to indicate a strong, healthy, long-lasting relationship.

[rahu]

post a midpoint composite.

rahu

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@ Lithuel

Thank u Lithuel...the Pluto part that u mentioned really fits in here...also i think the saturn part stands true...although i think ders a strong attachment and emotional intimacy which i think my sun,moon,mercury stallium trine his saturn brings in,.....at different points of time both of us hv separately put in immense work in it...thank u for the obsevation

@ Rahu

Thanks for giving it a look...here's the composite

[rahu]

there is a great love uniting you.so i assumed this is an arranged marriage,if so fortune is with you as the affection between you is emotionally and karmically uniting.

with venus opposed to the jupiter/neptune conjunction,there is a sensitivity and refinement to your emotional interactions.with pluto sextile/trine this opposition.youi both have a strong spitiritual strength. though there may be some incapability alond these lines.this aspect show education and social postion as well as supportive and loving concern.

the sun opposed to saturn and sextile to the moon shows you feel like you've known each other forever.this pattern also shows material stability as well as devotion and kindness with each other. a word of caution is that this pattern is so reliable that often the relationship can become boring and routine,so never take the good fortune of this relationship for granted.

the problems can come from neptune as it can weaken the emotional devotion by neglect of misrepresentation , misunderstanding or infidety.
with mars/chiron/mercury forming a stellium,there is a edge to the relationship.this can show needlessly critical statements or actions.and with the uranus/satrun midpoint opposed to the chiron/mercury/mars stellium,he is not a certain of the level of his comitment as you.this shows him haltingly or going back and forth abotu the relationship.this is likely a result of his desire for free reign of action.
the moon square to uranus shows great passion but bode arguments and contention.it is a volitible emotional tension amid the seemingly harmonious interactions.
the most destructive aspect is that tha saturn/neptune and jupiter/saturn midpoints are opposed to the venus/sun conjunction.this indicates that he is insincere and deceiving even as you shared a strong love.

with the pluto/mercury,pluto/chiron,pluto/mars midpoints square the saturn/sun opposition,he unfortunately is selfish and controlling to an extreme.

there is a unending love between you but the distrotions of his selfishness will make a union very unlikely unless you allow him to treat you as chattel.

rahu

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@ rahu

that's the most accurate prediction abt the relatnship that i hv heard so far...thanks a lot...but it's not an arranged marriage but a love affair...n though it's true that he's very selfish, keeps gng back n forth abt the relatnship n is prone to misbehaviour ...but it's past or sum unknown familarity i feel with him which makes me believe in the relatnship...n i keep gng bk 2 it again n again i really dont know why.....what i am not sure abt is can it turn into a marriage?...coz we broke up last April n i wanted to give it a chance again, but i am scared abt investing myself in it again if it doesnt turn into a permanent union

[astrologer50]

The composite shows a double Yod with Mercury/mars as apex, showing problems with communications and action. You MUST have both accurate birth times for a composite to come close to being accurate though....

The chart to me shows strong friendship,but with venus opp neptune a definate *rose tinted glasses* scenario.

Moon square Uranus shows emotions suddenly flaring and is on my list of 'divorce aspects'. So one of you wants excitment but the other feels it as 'disruptions'

chiron is also conjunct mercury/mars showing where the wounds come from ie: communications

Have you tried a free composite chart with explanations being 'interactive'
Composite charts
If you go to www.astro.com click on free horoscopes, go to Interactive horoscopes, go down to Astroclick partner, that will bring up a composite chart and when you put the mouse over a planet will bring up a pop up box with the interpretation......

But you do need both times of birth to be accurate though.. enjoy.

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+compo sites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=fal se

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other.The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

[astrologer50]

In the synastry chart Gemini Asc with N Node conjunct is a 'major' karmic learning Lesson for both parties

The Saturn in late scorpio forms a square with mercury. These mercuries are in opposition, showing, one shows a fiery position/leo and other other Aquarius/air showing it wants friendship at all costs and mental connection and rappor but also lots of freedom and independence within relationships

Moon in areis square neptune can show a spiritual ethereal connnection but also 'rose tinted glasses' and poss deception

Pluto square Leo sun shows the pluto person wants domination/control

Unfortunately, there is no set formula or signature for marriage or childbirth, although others may disagree, apparently horary and vedic seem confident in this area. There are indicators and potential as there would be with natal, solar return chart but guarantees -- (post 2 & 3 below)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=207744#post207744

Your chart is a blueprint of your personality, facets and penchants and the whole chart is 'potential' for development. There is nothing guaranteed or fatalistic in charts, I do believe we still do have free will. I also believe we chose our parents and childhood circumstances best suited to learning those Lessons in the best way we can.

I think it's worth bearing in mind that the natal chart, like solar returns is all about 'potential' but as we all know we don't always fulfil that potential do we.

It's like someone saying you can predict death, but with modern medicine and sciences the way they are and the potential to 'die' three times in a life, doesn't mean to say you will does it

I think lots of people have unrealistic expectations about what astrology can and can't do. astrology is an 'art, science and craft' and not clairvoyance either. If there were a formula or signature, don't you think we would ALL be using it?

Predicting marriage and/or having children can be done, but it is not easy, time consuming and intricate. There are lots of things to take into consideration like, secondary progressions, what inter-aspects one chart makes to another, Solar arcs, Solar returns, Transits etc
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255

Symbolic Directions in Modern Astrology – book by

By Charles E. Carter
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uDv0Xj9YjngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=astro logy+Charles+Carter&hl=en&ei=w5HeS7G6DYb2-Aa71Oj_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&v ed=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

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@ Astrologer 50

Thank u for the interesting insight. I had tried the composite chart interpretation at astro.com...it basically stressed on the unpredictable, unconventional (uranus oriented), longlasting but conflict oriented (saturn) n growth but powerstruggle (pluto) also deception (neptune) aspects of the relationship.

Can the AC conjunct NN aspect (karmic connection) indicate to a lasting bond or could it be just temporary?

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by lost

@ Astrologer 50

Thank u for the interesting insight. I had tried the composite chart interpretation at astro.com...it basically stressed on the unpredictable, unconventional (uranus oriented), longlasting but conflict oriented (saturn) n growth but powerstruggle (pluto) also deception (neptune) aspects of the relationship.

Can the AC conjunct NN aspect (karmic connection) indicate to a lasting bond or could it be just temporary?

Astrology is ALL about *possibilities and potential** NNode conj sun,moon Asc or MC suggest karma involved and 'Learning Lesson' for both parties, not necessarily a lasting bond though...

[lost]

Is there any way of finding how long/till when will this relationship last? Also how can i find out whether there any chances of our getting back?

[rahu]

the relationship will mostly likely reignite in just a few days.i would expect the sexual/emotional attraction to be predominate till april.

but youir track record would lean toward thisbeing only a farewell "kiss".

but love is a great power so if you have a future with him ,it will be secured in the next couple of months.but if in may you are in a quandry,cut loose and go on with your life.

rahu

[lost]

Dear Rahu,

You are the sort of astrologer I dream to be some day. You are one of the best astrologers I have come across and I really want to thank you for guiding me about the charts, it was a great help and surely gave me some direction. It really meant a lot to me.

I just have little question here, I don't know if it's possible to answer that or not. Like you said the relationship could reignite in a few days, i just want to know if that would require some efforts from my side? I know for eveything that we want to happen we must work for, but then how much some effort/immense efforts? I don't know if it's possible to answer it but if that is possible it would make things easy for me to manage.

Thank a lot again

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by lost

Is there any way of finding how long/till when will this relationship last? Also how can i find out whether there any chances of our getting back?

Basically NO,

synastry and divorce
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13745&highlight=synastry+divorce
Synastry & divorce--- really great article, well worth reading-----
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrolog y+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX 5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2 nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepa ge&q=&f=false

Your question would be suitable for a horary question, IF you follow the basic rules
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php?faq=horary#faq_horary_astrology_boards

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@ Astrologer 50

Thank you for the help. I read the links you have provided but i have a li'l doubt. The sources focus on divorce that would ultimately relate to 7th house but i wonder if the same would also stand for a relationship break up cause marriage (7th house) could be differently affected then relationships (5th house) and i believe divorce should also differ from a break up in aspects and indicators?

[astrologer50]

Saturn tends to act as *cement* for good OR bad and I notice only two trine asepcts.


May I suggest you read the 'welcome to the world of astrology’ and other ---sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc. At the top of every forum there are lots of ‘stickys’ which explain matters in that forum, along with guidelines & tips

There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature,[but not foolproof obviously, so try here first] bit like google using keywords –initially select advanced and try just selecting 'titles' rather than posts or you'll get too many threads. If this doesn’t get results then try google

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234549&postcount=7
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2

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@ Astrologer 50 -

Thank u for the information. I had already read the stickys before i asked the question.

I know saturn reflects the binding force in a relationship, and following are the saturn aspects between the charts -

His saturn with my planets:

Saturn trine sun, sat trine mercury, sat trine moon
his saturn also trines my AC (though i don't know if angles can be considered for synastry?)

My saturn with his planets:

saturn trine moon

Because of so many saturn aspects only i got an impression that it could last long

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@ rahu

You had told that the relationship could reignite in a few days but pratically that's lil impossible as for now we are in different cities...i think its sort of a forced separation that comes with Tr saturn in 5th + Tr saturn oppose natal venus. Because of this very fact the break up took place when i had to move to a different city in april last year. Now i will be moving back to his city around July (it could take place at the end of april also but not for sure) so i think that would be the time it could practically be possible to get back.

Would you say it has any possiblity to reignite then or would it be not possible?

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by lost

@ Astrologer 50 -

Thank u for the information. I had already read the stickys before i asked the question.

I know saturn reflects the binding force in a relationship, and following are the saturn aspects between the charts -

His saturn with my planets:

Saturn trine sun, sat trine mercury, sat trine moon
his saturn also trines my AC (though i don't know if angles can be considered for synastry?)

My saturn with his planets:

saturn trine moon

Because of so many saturn aspects only i got an impression that it could last long

The orbs in synastry are *very tight* 1' or max 1.5'

You had told that the relationship could reignite in a few days but pratically that's lil impossible as for now we are in different cities...i think its sort of a forced separation that comes with Tr saturn in 5th + Tr saturn oppose natal venus.

Although synastry is a valuable tool with astrology it cannot 'make things happen' even if you have the best synastry in the world unfortunately..

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234549&postcount=7
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2