Neptune Spiritual or Psychic Trauma

[tsquare]

OOps Sorry Neptune Rising I had the wrong time for my chart.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...rbp=&rs=0&ast=

I still have alot of neptune influince in my chart i supose since my sun is in the 12th house in cancer(decante pisces) conj mercury. Neptunes in the 5th House sagitariusquincunx mercury.
Neptune is also involved in Kite and a "mystical rectangle" if you include the midheaven with the aspects shown on astrodent. I still dont understand the full signifigance of neptune as of yet in my chart. i have to put it all together still. As far as my asendent it is leo and its decante is sagitarius. oH.... and I forgot my assendent trines with neptune in sagitarius and conjuncts my moon in leo but the orb seems to wide to me for the moon to be too signifigant, I dont know.
Its all too much for me to put together all at once but meditation is a must for me also to clear up alot of the rubish I seem to pick up.

I like what you said about believeing the best in people.
it reminds me of something Shakespear said, it was something like "if you want people to be virtuous, assume they are, and they will often show you virtue." It seems to bring the best out of people most of the time.

[tsquare]

A little more on neptune.
I have neptune in the 5 house in sagitarious and shining rays article made me recall something from about when I was in high school. I can remember going through a real rough patch and not quite knowing why. I was real creative when i was a kid art music the works and then I hit a major wall and I havent been able to pick it up since. Ive had my troubles with neptune in part I think because it opposes Venus in the 11th house.

One of my email passwords when I was in high school was, and I quote "IAMNOTGOD". It was a really disapointing time in my life I really felt as if I couldnt create anymore, and I still feel that way. For an artist its tough out there with drugs and everything else. I still have those blockages to some degree and Ive been spending alot of time these last few years trying to tear them down. My problem i believe has been in not knowing how.
I used to have out body experiences when I was a kid. like the kind when your awake and still in full controll of your body and your mind is seperate as well. Then poof....it was all gone, and I was a wreck. Im starting to wonder more about neptune and its influence in all of this since the 12th house is its place and my sun and mercury are both there, and I believe the sun is the ruller of my chart since I have leo rising with neptune trine assendent. neptune also trines the moon. the moon conjuncts the assendent.
And I just noticed something Juno conjuncts neptune by 2 degrees its also in retrograge so I have no idea the signifigance of that. Ill have to look into that some.
great article Shining Ray its definitely one Ill come back too.
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here's my chart:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...rbp=&rs=0&ast=

[Soul Friend]

I'm with dna. I'd really appreciate it if you could include your link to articles by JWG. Is that possible or is it a members only site?

[Soul Friend]

Thanks Shining Ray!

[Sag Moon]

Originally Posted by tsquare

A little more on neptune.
I have neptune in the 5 house in sagitarious and shining rays article made me recall something from about when I was in high school. I can remember going through a real rough patch and not quite knowing why. I was real creative when i was a kid art music the works and then I hit a major wall and I havent been able to pick it up since. Ive had my troubles with neptune in part I think because it opposes Venus in the 11th house.

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here's my chart:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...rbp=&rs=0&ast=

I have the same placement as you concerning the Ve/Ne opposition and have found somewhat the same experience concerning drugs. I wish I had never touched a foriegn substance. This aspect I think is one of having an addictive personality whereas whatever we get into we go full bore and ask questions later. I never was a hardcore drug addict and always tried to abide.
Glad I hate needles.

Anyway I have tried to find a creative outlet anad wish I had taken the advice of teachers as for drama and art when younger. I hope to get into art as a hobby soon as I have a vivid and creative imagination.

My charts ruler is the Mn with a Tau/Sn-Sag/Mn combo. Bono was born a a few days before me. I have a Can/Asc and Pi/MC so there is talent there if I find the outlet I think. Weather I find the outlet is another matter. I do not wish to become the starving artist I know that. I am to materialistic for that having Ve/Me/Sn in Tau.

It is not unusual to lose focus as to the capabilities that you mention.It might help to find a meditative practice to use or go off by yourself to find or get in touch with that part which you feel you have lost contact with.
I have had many mystical experiences along with dreamstates that can only be described as prophetic.

Having a Splay formation I have yet to find a gift that can bring me a steady income. IU plan on starting an astrological site,market Audio cables again and start creating abstract art which I feel I can create something that the world has not seen yet.

Juno is Conj. my Moon and I can tell you that is might involve with domestic things like cooking.You might be able to create art for the public.

I hope that you find that part of you that you feel is missing.

[SunMoon]

Originally Posted by Shining Ray

Neptune: Spiritual or Psychic Trauma

Neptune in the Sixth House or Virgo: an idealistic expectation of collective and individual purity and perfection in all things, of right action. These expectations are judged against some ultimate standard of conduct. For these people purity and perfection is unconsciously linked to the desire to sacrifice oneself, the ego, to the principle of service to another, others, or the Whole. These people carry an unconscious yet pervading undefined guilt that needs to he atoned for. This leads to the creation of personal crisis and masochistic type behavior, a behavior defined by the unconscious that leads to personal crucifixion to that which is impure and unholy. Psychic or spiritual trauma occurs through creating a life of suffering in a variety of ways including physical illnesses which can not be explained, cured or properly diagnosed. Trauma occurs via an inability to understand why their suffering persists despite every effort to purify and atone for themselves through personal sacrifice. When Neptune transits the Sixth House, forms stressful aspects thru transits to natal Mercury, planets within the natal Sixth House, or to the planetary ruler of the Sixth House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.


Neptune in the Tenth House or Capricorn: idealistic expectations about the nature of family structures, societal structures, and the structure of the world itself. The essence of these expectations is based on the principle of sacrificing oneself, the ego, for a larger good; to others. The principle of sacrifice can have many forms, many applications. There is an unconscious expectation that purity and right action should define and prevail in any activity: large and small. These individuals are typically defined by an unconscious and uneasy feeling of guilt; that they have done something wrong, or that there is something wrong with them. Thus, there is a need to correct or atone for that guilt. As a result, this can generate life experiences in which their unconscious ideals of purity and right action, of egocentric self-sacrifice to the Other, are violated: the abusive father, the emotionally unavailable parent, the narcissistic husband or wife, the needy of this world who latch onto these people for dear life and abuse what is offered, the imperfect worlds that violates the expectation of purity and right action, etc. Over time these kinds of experiences can generate a horrible, depressive disillusionment and trauma that can create severe bouts of depression. This trauma can lead to a life in which these people struggle to throw off the undermining feelings of being continually defeated by life itself. In addition, disillusionment and trauma can occur through the experience that what is considered "real" becomes "unreal". Nothing seems to be permanent, nothing seems to last, and that the very nature of "reality" is but transitional images that come and go. And that what is "real" is only real for the time that it actually exists. Accordingly, cycles of despair, of fighting off an inner feeling of being consumed by a dark, bottomless pit define the inner world of these individuals. As a result, these individuals create a fundamental fear of loosing control and, yet, longing to do so. Paradoxically, many of these people will seem like beacons of salvation light to others because of this inner world. This is because these people know their inner pain so well, that it serves to motivate them to heal the suffering of others. This symbol, Neptune in Capricorn, or the Tenth House, is the ultimate symbol of the crucifixion of the ego. If you doubt this consider that Jesus was put on the Cross when Neptune transited Capricorn in his time. When Neptune transits the Tenth House, forms stressful aspects through transits to Saturn, the planetary ruler of the Tenth House, or to planets within the natal Tenth House, it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

I have Neptune in Capricorn in the 6th house and i can relate a lot to these descriptions. I also found them similar? For some reason. Although i don't think there is a link between these two placements, except myself.
Also, i don't know what you meant by ''too heavy''? This is the truth and that's what i'm looking for. I like ''deep'' psychological interpretations like these, it helps me understand things better.
Thank you very much for posting Shining Ray.

[tsquare]

I just looked at my brothers chart for the first time yesterday, and he has capricorn in the 2ndHouse, in fact he has a insanely loaded second house.
This helped out alot.
Thanks Shingray.
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Tsquare
Link to my brothers chart.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?r...&go.y=10&go=Go
This second ones a little easier to read.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?r...2&go.y=9&go=Go

[Soul Friend]

Originally Posted by tsquare

I just looked at my brothers chart for the first time yesterday, and he has capricorn in the 2ndHouse, in fact he has a insanely loaded second house.
This helped out alot.
Thanks Shingray.
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Tsquare
Link to my brothers chart.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?r...&go.y=10&go=Go
This second ones a little easier to read.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?r...2&go.y=9&go=Go

Isn't it ironic how Astrologers can have birth data for family members available yet never use it right away because, "Eh-it's family. I know them." My only siblings chart I'd say looks a bit familiar since I recently did it in the past year or so which leads me to think I did it looooong ago but never studied it the way I would that of my wife or children. Funny, huh?

[moving towards hermes]

My Sun is closely conjunct Neptune (12 minutes) and Neptune disposits my South Node.
And oddly enough I have always thought it was Mercury who was deceptive..

I don't understand the reason for this configuration. I'm continually experiencing inward trauma that no one else can see.

[Soul Friend]

Originally Posted by moving towards hermes

My Sun is closely conjunct Neptune (12 minutes) and Neptune disposits my South Node.
And oddly enough I have always thought it was Mercury who was deceptive..

I don't understand the reason for this configuration. I'm continually experiencing inward trauma that no one else can see.

Well it's even more pronounced to filter everything around you through your feelings because the Moon is the focal planet of your Funnel. It's conjunct Chiron which is highly sensitized to pain as it's all about wounds. Your Moon is disposited by Mars which is in the 3rd H generating lots of thought regarding those feelings not to mention how much activity you have there anyway. The 3rd describes your thinking processes and your communications. This chart looks like you have a strong sense of Intuition and possibly vivid or even prophetic dreams. Your 3rd/9th House axis is always going to have strong emphasis because they are the largest houses you have and Sagittarius incidentally is intercepted there adding more focus. You most likely have a very acquisitive mind and are likely to be detail oriented. Whatever higher education you pursue may be quite motivated from a place deep within as you have the NN in the 12thH of hidden things. With the sun and Jupiter being in mutual reception that should recirculate some good energies.

[moving towards hermes]

Thank you for the sweet interpretation... it feels affirming.
I am not sure because the file in your signature is too small for my eyes, but it looks like my Saturn sits right on your Venus, so i appreciate it all the more.
Yes the Moon-Chiron conjunction, though wide, is easier to see with Regiomontanus houses that i used in the nativity in my signature.
But yes you are right about the dreams and heavy dependence on intuition -- it's as JwG says of the third house Neptune, there is some intense need to articulate the inarticulable if communication is to be worth anything, and then with the other personal planets in the third house the ego and its various functions become identified with this impossible task..
(does everyone have that article? it used to be called 'trauma and the transpersonal planets' i think -- now at http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/trauma.html )
It's amazing, everything is addictive... everything is disillusioning...
Hopefully the first Saturn return will bring a better attitude towards all of that.

[Soul Friend]

Actually I've got a stellium there and you're right. It includes Venus-Uranus and Pluto in a pretty tight conjunction. I've always been fond of folks who line up near it regardless the planet.

[Lin]

Shining Ray:
Any planets in the 2nd house in square to a "heavy planet" (or visa-versa) is an issue greater than the square "problem." The 2nd house is the house of values and valuables.... and when there is a 2nd house problem, everything... everything about money, valuables, ownership.... is a lifelong issue. At some point, because Pluto represents "transformation", your values will change drastically.
Until that time, you may be living out issues from childhood, about what is valuable, how valuable YOU are, and what MAKES something valuable.
It's a VERY BIG subject.... and thinking about it, meditating on it really helps. What you spend your money on, and what you SAVE tells you a lot about who you really are. And if you find you own a lot of things that don't make you happy, then you are "buying inauthentically" and those things are useless and NOT valuable.
LIN

[BalancedSag]

Loved your explanation of Neptune here,

I have been there with that kind of feeling before!

[BalancedSag]

Rose, I agree with your interpretation of how neptune can make you feel: I have been there before, where you pick up on too much from other people, maybe my neptune in 7th did this?! I, for years, when an at home mom, noticed this and also needed much self-time. It is interesting that it coinsided with my years home as a mother (cancer ruling the mother and also able to relate to the neptune need for inwardness). I felt the motherly inward time for me very strongly, even though my moon is in the 6th house conjunct uranus!

- I guess I did take time to have friends thru out this period and now I am in a very virgo AND pisces world of radiographpy in the hospital setting.

[BalancedSag]

There are many addictions. It was so interesting to see (I have 7th house neptune) that my ex-husband of 11 years, who NEVER EVER would EVER try a drug or EVER drank ~ and was the most responsible person I had ever known, during those 11 years of marriage (saturn, venus, and jupiter in Capricorn in 3rd house) and the ROCK of the family (taurus moon), joined his sisters cult (sagitarius sun squared by pluto his ruling planet), (lead by his closest elder sibling), 3 1/2 years ago and has completely abandoned his wife (ex now...) and two children!!

If ANYONE could explain the variety of neptunes addictions and how it is DEFINITELY NOT just alcohol and drugs ~ it is me!!

He has his south node in pisces, and his natal neptune is near his ascendant!

[deanna]

I have Neptune in Scorpio in the 12th house and yes, drinking is dangerous because any type of chemical effects me very strongly. I have not drank in 2 years now because it killed my sister at 31 years young.
I am now blessed with having a son and we will have a big talk about drinking when he gets older which will include visting his Aunts grave.

To really see the downfall of Neptune look at Anna Nicoles Death Chart:

http://www.cosmoastrology.com/anna-n...oscope-pattern

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

Best overview of Neptune in Capricorn or H4 I've ever read! 4-stars!

That's just Neptune's problem, it believes that everything's good without actually doing much to make it so (not that it matters, corruption and evil will always make a way to gunk up the ideal), and then the rose-colored glasses (red eyes from drinking and smoking too much of the good stuff ) wear off, and there's all of the evil Neptune worked so hard to convince itself wasn't there. How sad.

This also reinforces why Mercury is both detriment (traditionally anyway, I think Pallas is best suited to Virgo of all the candidates, though I <3 Chiron, Vesta and Mercury, but that's another thread I guess) and in fall in Pisces, not only is detailed Mercury weakened there by being in "big picture" Jupiter sign, it's also denied because to accept Mercury is to lose the belief (Pisces: "I believe!!!").

I think Aquarius is the worst for Neptune, other than Virgo, too logical and scientific, an Aquarius won't let Neptune deceive them or succumb to Neptune's "empathy".

One question: Do you mean that when a planet is in it's own sign, it at once does everything it would do in each of the other signs, or does Neptune in Pisces have all the traits just because Pisces is the last sign?