Fixed stars in solar returns

Panik · #1 01-12-2011, 11:34 AM

How does one interpret fixed stars on a solar return chart? I've only very recently started to learn about fixed stars and wondered if you usually include them in a solar return interpretation?

I have an odd sort of solar return chart this year (very 3rd and 4th house heavy), but one thing that stood out to me (aside from Saturn standing all alone, weakly conjunct the ascendant) is Sirius exactly conjunct my SR MC, which got me wondering.

Can anyone shine a light, in general? But I'm particularly interested in your own fixed star-Solar return stories; how much influence do they seem to have on a SR - if any?

Olivia · #2 01-12-2011, 04:06 PM

There's a very good page about Sirius over at Constellation of Words.

If your chart indicates high public office and it's supported by profection and primary direction or progression this year, Sirius could tip it. Otherwise, you may find yourself briefly in the public eye - something like getting interviewed by news reporters for being in the right place at the right time, or being asked to give a presentation at your work to more people than you usually would speak with, etc.

In my own chart, I've a number of fixed stars relating to blindness - over the past two years, I've had the Moon rising in my SRs conjunct fixed stars that indicate - blindness.

Granted, I have a couple of health conditions that could cause me to go completely blind, but these days there are more treatments than there were. Nonetheless, I've lost about a third of my sight over the past couple of years - this last year was especially rugged as the South Node was involved as well.

As it happens, a number of things did coincide to show that. In your case, take a look at what's ruling 10, where it is in the SR, where it is in your natal chart, and where your natal MC falls in the SR chart.

That should give you a hint as to what Sirius might do on your MC.

And Sirius being Sirius - beware of dog bites. That one does seem to have some validity. That's what I got when it hit a sensitive point in an SR when I was a child. Nasty, too. Which caused an interview with the reporter after I was out of hospital, and being somewhat in the public eye for a day or two.

Hopefully you don't live anywhere where wild dogs run free, and not to be alarmist, just - not the year to go petting strange Rotweilers.

Panik · #3 01-15-2011, 09:56 AM

Thanks so much for your insights, and I'm so sorry about your eyesight. I have no problems in that direction that I know of (touching wood). High public office? No *g* - n0t likely and would be very unwelcome if it occurred! I'm hoping for a jump forward in my career soon, though, something I've worked very hard for for the past 3 years.

MC in my 2011 SR is, of course, at 14 Cancer, moon is in Taurus in the SR, either 8th or 7th house depending on the house system. I'm assuming this could mean partnerships will be important in my career (I also have Libra SR rising and natally, Pluto has been sitting on my DC for quite a while. NN is there too) - again, if I'm interpreting this right, this would mesh with my career hopes. Natal moon is in Leo, 2nd house - not sure how to mesh that with the SR?

Natal MC (currently conj Neptune and Chiron) falls in the SR 5th house - Aquarius. Uranus is in SR 6th conjunct Jupiter. Natally Ur and J are trine, 6th and 3rd, with Uranus opposition MC.

I hope I'm doing this right! I've been studying natal charts for many years but am relatively new to predictive astrology. My interest really appeared out of the blue this year and took off like a rocket (Uranus + Jupiter locked over my south node...? Heck, I don't know.

It's been a fascinating ride.)

Many thanks again for your help.

ETA. Looking again at the SR moon, it stands out to me for making no 'hard' aspects at all: three trines, two quintiles, a bi-quintile and a sextile. Bizarre! I'm hoping this is a good thing, hope it doesn't mean I'm going to 'moon' through the year in a spacey, Prozacy fashion.

dr. farr · #4 01-16-2011, 04:10 AM

I always include the stars in SR analysis: I use them only by longitudinal conjunction or parallel of declination*, and only with the planets, nodes, Parts/Lots of ascendant in the SR chart. Just as in natal, I consider the connected stars in the SR of maximum potential influence.

*Meaning I do not look at their aspects-trine, square, opposition, sextile-because I follow Robson (and others) in the concept that they only influence by conjunction or parallel...

Panik · #5 01-16-2011, 09:17 AM

So, what would you say to Sirius exactly conjunct the SR MC? A brilliant year, or death by dog bite?

Olivia · #6 01-16-2011, 10:05 AM

I just realised the SR I'm in has Sirius on the ascendant - but it's conjunct the south node and the moon.

It's been a bad year, but I think the south node is more responsible for that than Sirius is. No dog bites yet, though, and a few months to go. Lots more illness and hospital than usual, but I put that to south node's corrupting influence on the moon (moon is my natal 8 ruler, highly dignified essentially in both natal and SR charts, and sextile from one to the other).

How does the SR look relative to your natal chart?

Panik · #7 01-16-2011, 04:32 PM

How does the SR look relative to your natal chart?

I'm sorry for your bad year, isn't Sirius supposed to be a fortunate star?

The MC, where Sirius is, falls in my 1st house but isn't conjunct anything, it's in close opposition to Mercury, Saturn, Ceres and my POF in Capricorn.

I'll post the 2 charts, in case anyone wants to compare and contrast. (I hope people can make sense of the natal + SR, I always find composite presentations difficult to negotiate. The other is just the SR).

Would anyone else who posts here post their charts too? I'd like to see other charts and learn from your experiences.

Olivia · #8 01-16-2011, 06:10 PM

Unless you use asteroids extensively in delineation - and some folks do - I'd leave them out.

Granted, I don't use them, but even still, when you start getting into bi-wheels and tri-wheels, best to keep it to the basics - planets, houses, angles, Moon's Nodes, and Fortuna.

For those of us with old eyes, it's difficult to tell planets like Venus and Mercury from various asteroids with similar glyphs when there are 7 or 8 of them in the same house all squished together so they'll fit inside a tiny bi-wheel section, you know?

On the modern side of things, I'd recommend Nance McCullough's book on solar returns. On the traditional side of things, I'd recommend Morin's Astrologia Gallica, Vol 23, which is his volume on solar returns.