What does traditional astrology have to say about the 8th?

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Olivia

That's the modern opinion, Claire. In trad it's a bit different. The eighth house is not related to sex, that falls under the aegis of the fifth house.

Also, a planet being in the 8th, or idle place, isn't the same as a person being there.

The OP is versed in modern astrology, and asked for a traditionalist perspective, which is what I provided. He's certainly free to agree or disagree as he sees fit.

In support of Modern astrologers, my twopenneth

The Eighth House - conception
“The eighth house covers sex, death, and other people's resources. Most beginning astrologers question how these areas of life are related, and the explanation offers insight into some of life's most intriguing activities. The lives of others impact our lives on a moment-to-moment basis. Every human interaction engages the mental, emotional, material or spiritual resources of at least one other person. Sexual response and sexual expression form a fundamental area for us to cultivate the spiritual connection with others through the physical connection.”
http://www.llewellyn.com/encyclopedia/article/130
“deepest fears, obsessions, denied dreams, ability to love and care for children, sexual hang ups, obsession/relationship with money, need to exploit others, length and breadth of vanity, secret desire to rule the world, {Or at least, your world and everyone in it} and every religious neurotic tendency you could ever invent, relate to, dispose or crave. According to traditional astrology the 8th house is the precarious domain of sex, death and money. But, it has been my experience that the 8th house goes much deeper than these obvious realities”
http://www.articlesbase.com/astrology-articles/face-the-boogey-man-your-incessant-spectator-mind-and-how-it-works-8th-house-deal-949018.html
“One way to read a birth chart is to start with the Eighth House, where conception begins. During the nine months of pregnancy, the cycle travels from the beginning of the Eighth House to the ascendant, which represents the moment of birth, the baby's first breath”
http://www2.canada.com/topics/lifestyle/astrology/health/pregnancy/index.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25500

[astrologer50]

that stellium in 8th is involved a lovely Grand trine, only venus/mercury receives a square from Saturn in 12th house.

Venus squ saturn can show feelings of being unloved from childhood and having to work hard for financial recompense. Mercury squ saturn is good for studying and disciplined communications/writings etc.

Have you researched your moon singleton, plus it's square to neptune.This is emotional disillusionment and sometimes has been linked with eating disorders to. Pluto is also a singleton

I see the venus trine neptune as being very psychic, spiritual.

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Saturn in this case in Cadent houses….

"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs ‑ can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ­self‑worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.

Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

If Saturn and Uranus fall in the same sign or house we get caught in a cleft stick, wanting to make changes but fearing to let go of the old.

[Lithuel]

I have an eighth house stellium as well, I'm curious what the traditional astrologers have to say about it?

[PD187540]

I'm also wondering if 8th House stellia encourage people to become physicians (besides generating interest in the occult and metaphysics).

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Lithuel

I have an eighth house stellium as well, I'm curious what the traditional astrologers have to say about it?

There are no malifics in your 8th house, which is good BUT the key to your chart is researching your YODS.

Libra Asc, gemini sun (also pisces) all have problems with restlessness and procrastination in my mind. In fact gemini are notorious for sitting on the fence and not wanting to make decisions at all if they can get away with it. So how 'afflicted' are you in this department?

Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html

[Lithuel]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Libra Asc, gemini sun (also pisces) all have problems with restlessness and procrastination in my mind. In fact gemini are notorious for sitting on the fence and not wanting to make decisions at all if they can get away with it. So how 'afflicted' are you in this department?

And you hit close to home

Yes, I do struggle with indecision and procrastination. It took me a long time to realize it was okay to announce my desires in a group.

Now I'm off to research Yods. Thanks, Astrologer50!

[MTTY05]

Originally Posted by PD187540

Matty, are you related to me somehow? Our charts are VERY similar!!! What does this mean? Are you a soul mate of sorts? My astrological twin? There has to be something to this!

Wow, that really is something. I have never seen a chart that looks so identical to mine! Kites are pretty rare configurations, so yeah, thats awesome. Lots of the same house placements too.

[MTTY05]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

that stellium in 8th is involved a lovely Grand trine, only venus/mercury receives a square from Saturn in 12th house.

Venus squ saturn can show feelings of being unloved from childhood and having to work hard for financial recompense. Mercury squ saturn is good for studying and disciplined communications/writings etc.

Have you researched your moon singleton, plus it's square to neptune.This is emotional disillusionment and sometimes has been linked with eating disorders to. Pluto is also a singleton

I see the venus trine neptune as being very psychic, spiritual.

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Saturn in this case in Cadent houses….

"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs ‑ can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of *self‑worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.

Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

If Saturn and Uranus fall in the same sign or house we get caught in a cleft stick, wanting to make changes but fearing to let go of the old.

Well about Moon square Neptune, yes I am definitley emotionally disillusioned, lol. Not as much as I used to be though, which is good. I think my singleton moon is pretty powerful. I have a stellium in Virgo, but sometimes I think people are seeing a more Libra side of me, because of the way I react to people. Pluto is a singleton too as you noticed. It's conjunct my Midheaven, which is likely why I rise to positions of power at whatever job I happen to be doing at any given time.

I can relate to what you said about Saturn & Uranus being in the same house/sign too. I think change will be winning this year though...big changes.

Thx for writing!

[moonwillow]

I am also new to this, but I also have both my venus and mars in gemini conjunct in the 8th house. My north node is also in cancer in the 8th house, I have absolutely no clue what that means, still reading up on it

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by moonwillow

I am also new to this, but I also have both my venus and mars in gemini conjunct in the 8th house. My north node is also in cancer in the 8th house, I have absolutely no clue what that means, still reading up on it

North node
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20and%20the%20Quest%20for%20the%20Aut hentic%20Self
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20in%20Taurus
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/South%20Node%20Seventh%20House

[DreamingTheSeas]

At Princess Diana's equal house chart the 8th house is in Cancer and the ruler of the 8this in 3rd!!! Also her Moon was Opposition with her Mars and Uranus!