advice horary - what do i have to do with him?

scorpioontherun · #1 12-18-2010, 07:49 PM

dear all,
my first try at advice horary .. what do i have to do with r? I love him, he cares for me, we are in a very wierd stage of our relationship. Go or stay. I do love him deeply, and i do not want to leave him. but i realize that maybe is time to go. I cry everynight just at the thought of not seing him anymore, he helped and cared and supported me but now i feel i need to know where he wants it to go and he's not saying. I want to stop feeling this way. So what should i do? I'm sun conjunct mer retro he's saturn in 3rd .. possibly my need of communication. He's strong in libra. he's alone. there is an applying square between him and me but not being able to read ephemerides i do not know if it will ever perfect. Moon VOC? So nothing come out of the question or do not worry about the question? uff, i just need some peace of mind .. what a nightmarish period. But still. what is the advice?
Thanks
Scorpio

natasa · #2 12-18-2010, 08:06 PM

You are Sun and he is Saturn. You (and the outcome) are also the Moon. Moon is not void of course.
The real question is what is the best thing to do - but my knowledge is poor to answer to that.
Wish you the best

SagiCap · #3 12-19-2010, 02:35 AM

The question on your chart doesn't match the advice question you are asking now.

dr. farr · #4 12-19-2010, 03:41 AM

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

I shall interpret the intent of the "will I go?" on the chart to mean "should I go?" (the "go" meaning leave the relationship)

-querent = Leo = Sun
-the relationship = 7th house = Aquarius = Saturn
-Saturn is in the Fall of the Sun* (implies relationsip-Saturn-brings the Sun-querent-down): + testimony (positive testimony here means Cosmic advice is that she should go;negative testimony here means she should not go, that she should stay)
-Sun flows away from Saturn (querent flows away from relationship): + testimony
-Moon flows toward Saturn (-) but away from Sun (+); indicates other person in relationship is more benefited by the relationship than the querent is: net neutral testimony
-Saturn and Sun flow toward Part of Fortune (-), Moon flows away from it (+):
net - testimony (but only minimally)
-Moon makes no (hermetic) aspect to either significator; significators make no aspect to each other: + testimony
-Moon's next conjunction will be with the South Node: + testimony

Results:
Advice indications that she should go: net 3 testimonies (3 "+" testimonies)
Advice indications that she should stay: net 1 testimony (1 "-" testimony)
Net: + 2 testimonies

Therefore the advice indications for leaving the relationship are more numerous than the indications for staying, and I would delineate this (leave the relationship) as the Cosmic response.

*I do not regard the entire sign of Libra as the Fall of the Sun; for reasons given in my posts in other AW threads, I only conisder a degree-area as being the Fall of the Sun; this degree area I count (as did the earlier Greco/Romans) as 2 degrees before and after the specific degree (which is the 18th degree of Libra-using our modern sign numeration)
In this reference chart Saturn is with 4 minutes of the 16th degree of Libra, and so I count it as being, defacto, in the degree-area of the Fall of the Sun.

scorpioontherun · #5 12-19-2010, 07:20 AM

Sorry guys it was an old chart "will i go" for a week end at the spa to which I just changed time to have the new chart about the question i was asking but i forgot to change the title. It is an advice chat on what to do with the relationship and not should i leave the relationship (mind you it's an option). But maybe it is indeed the reply.
Sorry again for the confusion generated and i still hope you will want to help.
Dr Farr is right, i'm down because of the incertitude of this relationship and i'm flowing away because leaving now it is an option (hard unbeareably hard but an option). But i'm a stubborn girl, and one in love with this guy too, and even if it is hard for me right now i do not want to leave something that just hit a rough patch if it's the case.
Thanks

dr. farr · #6 12-19-2010, 08:27 AM

Your choice, your WILL, is what is ultimately important; I believe that astrology shows trends and likelihoods, and-when these concern invidual people-those people have the potential to modify those trends, by Will coupled with knowledge and insight.

scorpioontherun · #7 12-19-2010, 12:12 PM

Dr Farr,
I'm crying of gratitude for your words. Thank you thank you. I'm becoming obsessd with horary, because the future is so uncertain and everything so out of focus that i'm losing my grip. I want to KNOW because i'm too weak to think by myself. Thank you again for reminding me that my will is what matters, that nothing is written in stone and that we and only we have the power to do to change and to undo things. I will desappear for a while, please do not take it as a disrespect to you who have supported me for so long and with so much care and affection. I just need to regain control of my thoughts and possibly my life and I will be back.
Love and all the best for Christmas and New Year
Scorpio