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12-05-2010, 10:40 PM
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Tricky question...!!
Hey everyone!!
I have a question on a planet in my natal chart. It says i have mars in Sagittarius at 29'49 degrees in the 10th house...accept i do not really act like the 'mars in Sagittarius' description, mars in Capricorn seems to fit me more.
My question is - because the planet sag is at 29'49 degrees (about to enter the next sign) is it possible the futher away the degrees is in signs the weaker the effect on the person? (e.g would mars in sag at '6 degrees be stronger)?
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12-06-2010, 06:24 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
I do not think so. The final degree of any sign tends to strengthen this sign and how a person expresses it.
Do you have other planets or angles in Capricorn? Do you have personal planets (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Venus) in the 10th house?
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12-06-2010, 09:03 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
Old time astrologers (like Ibn Ezra in the 12th century, just to mention one) considered that when a planet is in the 29th degree of any sign all of that planet's influence flows over into the next sign. I do not categorically accept this concept in all cases, but I do believe that it often happens just that way, and your case might be an example of the operation of this phenomenon...
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12-06-2010, 11:39 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
Hey Guys!! (to answer that question no i only have Neptune in cap- Uranus/mars/Neptune in 10th)
Thanks for the feedback. You see that's just it ..no wonder people become confused ...some sources say 29 degrees of any sign is 'critical' and strongly marked,yet others say the energy flows into the next sign at that degree.(.i wonder if other people have experienced the same confusion)
Well its funny really i do have maybe a couple of traits of sag mars (liking travel, roller coasters) but many more not..(i also have moon in Lib at 29'15 degrees but in that case i do not agree that the energy flows into the next sign of Scorpio as i do not resonate with any Scorpio like traits so its very confusing!!
I have also wondered about the influence of houses in astrology. This may be explained as some astrologers say when someone has a house placement it is basically the same as having the it in a sign (e.g Venus in the 2nd house has traits of Venus in Taurus etc) Of course some may disagree...
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12-06-2010, 12:28 PM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
Are you sure about the hour of birth ?
A little later & mars is in capricorn ...
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12-06-2010, 02:56 PM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
When you don't post a chart, everyone ends up guessing. Are you Pisces rising? You said Neptune is in Capricorn, Maybe this influences you. Aspects play a role too.
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12-06-2010, 07:38 PM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
As to the placements, transitions between signs are usually more noticeable than just a normal placement in the sign. If a planet falls into the final degree of a sign, the influence of that planet will be boosted. The flavouring of the planet's influence by the sign is the less predictable part. Sometimes it will roll into the next sign. Sometimes, it won't. According to Llewellyn George, the planet will have the ability to partake of both of the signs intermittently. It probably depends upon the signs involved and the planet.
Say, if Venus is 29.65° Virgo, then the fact that Venus rules Libra will probably be enough for Venus to grab Libra, although it will always maintain that technical position in Virgo, providing two paths for the planet to express itself. I haven't studied planet-sign harmonics well enough to say much more about it, but I think there is some anomalous behaviour in the final degree of any sign.
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12-06-2010, 11:17 PM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
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When you don't post a chart, everyone ends up guessing. Are you Pisces rising? You said Neptune is in Capricorn, Maybe this influences you. Aspects play a role too.
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I agree, just citing one aspect out of context does not give a satisfactory answer.
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12-06-2010, 11:22 PM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
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Old time astrologers (like Ibn Ezra in the 12th century, just to mention one) considered that when a planet is in the 29th degree of any sign all of that planet's influence flows over into the next sign. I do not categorically accept this concept in all cases, but I do believe that it often happens just that way, and your case might be an example of the operation of this phenomenon...
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The 29th degree is very late degree I agree and if planets there are linked to say another in Capricorn for instance then the effect would be felt. i.e. if Mars in Sagittarius is conjunct say for argument's sake Venus is in Capricorn, it is an out of sign conjunction or dissociate but still viable with the linking...
I dont adhere to the theory that a planet on a house cusp is viable in two signs especially within the orb of 5 degrees or so that some espouse......The constellations dont meld with each other.
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Re: Tricky question...!!
I use the Nancy Hastings method. Let me explain how it works.
If you were born with mars at 1 degree of sagg, mars will be in sagg for approx 40 years using secondary progressions, giving you a substantial length of time to absorb/chrystalize it's effect. When it progresses into Capricorn at age 40ish you will already have settled into the saggitarian mode of operation of your mars energy so the change of signs won't be as pronounced! If you were born with mars at 29'49 of sagg, then you will have it progress into Capricorn at approx. 3 months of age, so you are more likely to be strongly influenced by the progression into Cap. The other thing to consider is planetary strength by sign, Mars is neither exalted/detrimented or in rulership/fall in Sagg, progressing into Cap which is it's exaltation makes the energy (Mars=your energy/drive) easier to direct/use, so use the sagg as the "base" expression, and modify the natal expression by adding the Capricorian influence!...I agree with your comments about getting 5 answers to every astrological question asked, you really need to find your way through the maze by reading published authors who show you how to use their methods with example charts, otherwise one just ends up confused!
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Re: Tricky question...!!
There are several possible explanations for the apparent Mars in Capricorn like effect (with Mars at 29 Sagittarius) other than the "roll-over into the next sign" explanation I mentioned earlier:
-first, Mars at 29 Sagittarius is in a pitted degree, meaning (if you follow the concept of pits and elevations) that the Mars effect is modified/neutralized to an extent
-also, Mars is in the Sagittarius Face (decan) of Saturn
-Mars-being susceptible because of its pitted situation- and being under the Face of Saturn, and Saturn being the "ruler" of Capricorn-which Mars is almost "in"-could be the causes of a "Mars expression" closer to that of Capricorn/Saturn than to Sagittarius/Jupiter.
-also, by Pauline dodekatemorion calculation (an ancient Greco/Roman technique to show the "ramifications" of planets) the Pauline dodekatemorion (ramification) of Mars actually falls in Capricorn! Which might be another factor leading to the Mars-in-Capricorn (rather than Mars-in-Sagittarius) expression in this particular case...
Addendum
There is a traditionalist-oriented group (followers of the Paracelsan esoteric tradition) which has an interesting outlook on the issue of planets in the 29th degree of a sign, and whether they express in the current sign or pour their energy into the next sign. Here is this group's outlook on the issue:
-if the sign the planet is in is a fixed sign, the planetary energy is expressed only in that sign even if the planet is at 29 degrees 59 minutes
-if the sign the planet is in is a cardinal sign, transfer to the next sign is possible, depending on certain circumstances
-if the sign the planet is in is a mutable sign, it becomes quite possible for transfer of the 29 degree posited planet's expression to the next sign, depending upon certain circumstances
The special circumstances referred to above, relative to cardinal and especially mutable sign 29 degree planet positions, is based on the nature of the planet involved in relation to the nature of the next sign:
-if the nature of the planet is "positive" (yang) and the next sign is "negative" (yin) then transfer of the planet's energy into the next sign becomes very possible or even likely
-if the nature of the planet is "yin" and the next sign is "yang", the same possible to likely situation for transfer of planetary energy holds true
-however, if the nature of the planet is "yang" and the next sign is also "yang" then transfer will not occur; or if the nature of the planet is "yin" and the next sign is also "yin", then transfer of the planetary energy will not occur (even if the planet is in a mutable sign at 29 degrees 59 minutes)
-according to this outlook, Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto are "yang" and Moon, Venus, Saturn and Neptune are "yin"; the signs alternate between "yang" (eg Aries) and "yin" (eg Taurus) throughout the series of zodiacal signs
An interesting way of looking at the subject of "where" the energy of 29+ degree planetary positions gets expressed...
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12-07-2010, 10:57 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
Hi everyone
Thank you all for your responses to this question!! All of you have made some very interesting points. Does anyone else here have planets at 29 degrees?? I did not know about the saturation decan at the end of sag mars or the possible influence of Saturn in this particular case. (i knew decans existed in rising signs (0-30 degrees)just not in other natal chart placings)
I do wonder if the house placing in this case matters at all or not (10th) - because it is in the 10th not the 9th does that mean the energy is possibly transferring? hmm...
To answer your question Vista i am either Aquarius or Pisces rising. E.g 'Lady Gaga' shares my exact birth date yet i do not share all her same placings. She was born in Yonkers, NY which automatically puts the moon in Scorpio, whereas i was born in Hornsby, Australia giving a Libra moon -yet on that day for anyone born in Australia the moon transitions into Scorpio at approx 6:09am (i was born before 6am) she also has a cap mars as it goes into cap in the early morning i think..
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12-08-2010, 12:22 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
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I do wonder if the house placing in this case matters at all or not (10th) - because it is in the 10th not the 9th does that mean the energy is possibly transferring? hmm...
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Mars in the 10th will always be `painted' with Capricorn, just as an other personal planet in the 10th will be.
Also, Caprising's explanation re the progression of Mars into Cap at an early age is worth paying attention to.
I just checked out when my natal Mars progressed from Libra to Scorpio, and this was at age 31, and at almost the exact time when I began to behave in a more Scorpionic fashion - going after what I wanted, but also being secretive about it.
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12-09-2010, 12:58 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
That is interesting ..so you have mars in Libra but now you are apt to act more along the lines of a Scorpio mars? -for how long? How do you check when a sign progresses into another sign?!
Also for anyone else who may know with the placing of mars in sag at 29'49 (some birth chart sites say 29'59..(which is strange) if it goes in at approx 3 months of age how long does it stay under the Capricorn influence? ....
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12-09-2010, 02:37 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
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That is interesting ..so you have mars in Libra but now you are apt to act more along the lines of a Scorpio mars? -for how long? How do you check when a sign progresses into another sign?!
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Most astro software can give you this information. I know that astro.com can do this, although I haven't used it myself.
Another quick and easy way to check is by using an ephemeris. Using one day for a year in your life, then you can count how many years it will be until your Mars progresses into Aquarius. On average Mars stays in one sign for 6 weeks - give or take a week - except in those quite rare times when it stays in one sign for several months on end - like it stayed in Leo between 17th Oct 2009 and 8th June 2010. In progressed terms, six weeks = 42 days, which translates into 42 years. Now, depending on how Mars was travelling in the weeks and months after you were born, it will be around the age of 42 that your Mars progresses into Aquarius.
Now, my Libra Mars progressed into Scorpio at age 31, and it will be progressing into Sagittarius at age 76.
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12-10-2010, 06:26 AM
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Re: Tricky question...!!
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Originally Posted by brooke24
Hi everyone
Thank you all for your responses to this question!! All of you have made some very interesting points. Does anyone else here have planets at 29 degrees?? I did not know about the saturation decan at the end of sag mars or the possible influence of Saturn in this particular case. (i knew decans existed in rising signs (0-30 degrees)just not in other natal chart placings)
I do wonder if the house placing in this case matters at all or not (10th) - because it is in the 10th not the 9th does that mean the energy is possibly transferring? hmm...
To answer your question Vista i am either Aquarius or Pisces rising. E.g 'Lady Gaga' shares my exact birth date yet i do not share all her same placings. She was born in Yonkers, NY which automatically puts the moon in Scorpio, whereas i was born in Hornsby, Australia giving a Libra moon -yet on that day for anyone born in Australia the moon transitions into Scorpio at approx 6:09am (i was born before 6am) she also has a cap mars as it goes into cap in the early morning i think..
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There is a big difference between Aquarius and Pisces rising. Did you have problems in childhood with feet or was it ankles or calves?? What signs are your parents....Did you live near water??? It would be a shame not to get that right, it is very important. The ruler of the chart and its aspect are very important....
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