Destined to attract liars?

pixie1982 · #1 09-24-2006, 05:25 PM

I have only had a few relationships, but they always seem to be with people who compulsively lie to me (as well as themselves). I have neptune conjnuct my ascendent, is this why?

My neptune/ascendent is sag and my sun sign leo... any hope for me?

thank you for any advice x

cris_me · #2 09-24-2006, 09:45 PM

a Sag Asc gives you a Gem Desc - so it's the gemini quality that you look for in partners. The gem archetype is versatile, changeable, a trickster, a Jack. on the other side, the neptune-asc conj could mean that you seem a bit idealistic to others, maybe fragile, sensible, vulnerable. I've seen this happen with a friend: maybe people lie to you to protect you and this vulnerability they see in you. or maybe they lie out of fear of you not accepting a harsh truth, or not loving them should they not fit your ideal. or maybe you really are such an idealist that you 'search' for people who would keep it all pretty and nice (people who would 'lie' to save your bublle from being burst)they say the anser is within the question... you asked if you attract them... we usually attract what we need/want... do you need lies to be happy? can you honestly take the truth???

pixie1982 · #3 10-01-2006, 11:09 AM

Thank you, that is interesting about the Gemini qualities, I intentionally try to avoid those types of people/characteristics in partners for fear of being cheated on, but I do often find myself with people like that. I did not know that you seek the attributes of your desc - thank you.
My ex said all of the lies were to protect me from being hurt but he had a neptune-asc conj as well, I suppose we just saw what we wanted to.

EvilPixyScorp · #4 10-02-2006, 08:46 AM

Pixie (Another one!)~

I have Nep conj. ASC too, I feel ya.
Depending on other aspects of your chart, you are
a mirror to other people.
Neptune has blurred how you come off to other people,
at least those who don't bother to look deeper.
So it's good if youre an actress..not so good for dating
seeking honesty. Others see what they *want* to see.
You probably are a sponge subtley taking in your
environment & acting accordingly to not rock the boat?

You should do an horary chart asking something like,
"When will I find an honest mate?". ;-)

pixie1982 · #5 10-06-2006, 12:41 PM

Thanks evilpixie,

Out of interest - what do you think are the good points of your aspect to neptune? are you glad of it ever?
Everyone seems to get a different impression of me, so I do not know who I am sometimes.
Yeah I am a 'sponge' lol!

Thank you for the horary tip. I really hope someone replies!

Claire19 · #6 10-12-2006, 02:51 AM

If you can post your natal chart I can look at the aspects you have with Neptune, 12th house and mercury for instance. I think some of the comments here are right on in that people in your life were protecting you realising you live in some kind of fairyland or have a hard time dealing with reality. That is Saturn's province. It could be that you avoided any kind of harsh situation or didnt hear the truth when it was there. I am ruled by Neptune myself and I attracted losers, addicts, liars and deceivers with Nep conjunct Mars Venus also those with sex probs being the 8th but I woke up and matured and turned those aspects into metaphysical counselling and my ******** detector was honed to a very point.... Listen to that still small voice called intuition and go with your gut feelings.

Claire

pixie1982 · #7 10-12-2006, 10:00 PM

This is my chart
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...alchart1vt.png

I don't think that I have that many aspects with venus, only negetive ones, and I always thought that I was quite a 'saturn' person at times - coming across as quiet, sensible, serious at times, usually shy and cautious before relationships... thanks for any insight, maybe I am meant to be alone, I am thinking that more and more as i get a bit older!
Claire, maybe being ruled by neptune gives you good instincts about people? In an almost psychic way? I am a terrible judge of character though ... I don't think that I have that much neptune, only the 'horrible' planets like saturn and pluto seem dominant in my chart!

Claire19 · #8 10-13-2006, 01:13 AM

I think that these people see you as an easy probably soft compassionate person and I would be very careful about dealing with any charities, humanitarian organisations and also falling for the sob story. With the wide trine from Sun to Neptune this makes you a little indiscriminating but kind hearted especially with the Leo and Sag influences. Get your bulldust geiger counter going and you will be fine. I agree that you have challenges to Venus and remember this involves also your possessions and finances. Without our squares we dont progress in life and once you have adjusted and overcome or at least managed these you will be a better and more evolved person. You are ahead of the game already having astrological knowledge and I wish you luck in the future.

Claire

pixie1982 · #9 10-13-2006, 09:04 AM

Thank you for taking a look at my chart. What you have said sounds spot-on actually.
That interests me about the possessions and finance, looking back the significant relationships have been with people who have had money problems, borrowed a lot of money, or have had a very rags/riches relationship with money. I am certainly better off financially since I have been single and had not considered the financial side of venus.
Also I am definietly gulliable to sob stories as my first partner worked out quite quickly and used that to manipulate me. I am so pleased that astrology can tell me these things so I can be more aware of the situations I get into.

Thank you so much xx

Claire19 · #10 10-14-2006, 01:01 AM

Hello there
So glad to be of help. You have made my day. I find this site absolutely brilliant and so comprehensive. Wish I had come across it much earlier.

The way I would look at is whatever you give you are either paying a karmic debt or gaining a karmic credit. However you need to look after number one and not allow yourself to be deprived. I am sure you are much more aware now. As a Leo myself with Pisces rising I do understand.

We live and we learn.

Claire19

freedomlover · #11 10-14-2006, 02:55 AM

Not to totally hijack this thread, but I have a very similiar problem. I have been told many times that I am so gullible, that I'll fall for anything. I'm always the butt of people's practical jokes, where they tell a totally made-up story, and I believe it. My bullsh** detector just doesn't work. Needless to say, this is a considerable source of confusion to me, especially when I've recently found out that almost my entire foundation as a child was a pack of lies. Any thoughts?

pixie1982 · #12 10-14-2006, 09:08 PM

Hi freedom lover,

Thanks for joining it! i think it is really interesting how/if astrology is relevent in not only affecting the way we act and feel but the people or situations we subconsciously attract into our live - often time and time again - the external factors that shape our lives.

i think that you a seen a gulliable (as am I) perhaps because of the sagg/fire sun sign you have? I have sagg rising. I think we like things to be straightforward and instinctively trust others the way we expect to be trusted ourselves, so perhaps the untrustworthy people we let into our lives because we are lacking that b-sht detector you mention and because of it are bad judges of character?
I don't know why you would be the butt of jokes for that though? Is it in an affectionate way from your friends?

I am not sure what house belongs to childhood and growing up but maybe the aspects to your moon have something to do with it? What aspects do you have? Are they good/bad?

Firewinddancer · #13 10-15-2006, 12:21 AM

Pixie,
You have a 3/9 aspect with Moon and Venus, wanting to be of service to others / putting your feelings aside for who you are involved with. If you meet the male gender around your career then there may a type of competive nature that takes place, Mercury squares Asc and by placement of natural opposition to career and foundations in which you build. Your Moon tries to understand them, but the energy between Moon and Mercury creates taxing the mental levels of emotions a 5/9 aspect. Your Sun aspect to Mercury will create energies of ego wars finding the balance, you may strive to relate, a 2/12 aspect- where one feels left out or in the shadows of the other. You have the drive to take action, the direction to stay or leave but he will always seem to have the upper hand with his cool and aloof attitudes.

freedomlover · #14 10-15-2006, 12:35 AM

To: Pixie1982

Thanks for the insight. I have thought the same thing myself, that since I am a very honest person, that I automatically assume others are telling the truth as well.
All of my friends aren't like that. Actually only a couple and one in particular (a Saggie exaggeration tendency, I suppose). But that one in particular really thinks it is a riot to see how much I'll fall for.

If you want to take a look at my chart, the link is on my posts. I have an Aquarius moon in a Cappy first house. I only have two aspects to my Moon. They are a conjunction to Pallas in Aquarius, and a trine to my True Node in Gemini in the 5th.

pixie1982 · #15 10-15-2006, 12:38 PM

Firewinddancer -
Thank you v.much for that. I suppose that I should avoid people that I meet in my career then, I have never been out with anyone I have met at work. I do get into subtle ego wars with men...

Is this being left out/in the shadows/them having the upper hand going to relate just to the men I work with or in every relationship? That is a shame because I work with a lot of cute men! I like being of service to boyfriend too because I like to be needed.

What you say is very interesting to me as I am currently in a supporting role in my job, always assisting male bosses, which I enjoy. Does this aspect mean that men in the workplace would try to hold me back at all? My last boss denied me opportunities because he did not want to lose an assistant.

Freedomlover - I am not much good at reading charts as I have only recently started learning about astrology so I can only really pick up on the obvious stuff! Were your parents lying to protect you perhaps? I will have a look at your chart though xx

dna · #16 10-15-2006, 05:57 PM

Okay- I dont want to upset anyone by straying abit off topic but the liar post really caught me. I was told that because i have neptune in sag in my third house and even pluto on my asc. it would suggest i am a liar.....the funny thing to me is- I CANNOT stand liars. I have a few in my family and have attracted a number of them as friends and have a hard time trusting people because of that. I am honest . I often times come off kind of offensive, not on purpose or to be mean, but because I dont want to lie.Could these planets just mean other things in these houses and the liar bit is out the window or what do you think?
Am I destined TO BE a liar?!?! haha

pixie1982 · #17 10-15-2006, 07:55 PM

Hi dna,

One thing that strikes me about you, me and freedomlover, is that we all have neptune in sag - interesting! I am definitely not a liar and can't lie to save my life - I go bright red and internally I couldn't bear the stress if I lied. Also I have nothing to lie about. I can be quite blunt at times, from a lack of finding the right words, but my family and friends appreciate that if they ask my opinion on something they will get my true thoughts! But hey, at least they know it's the truth if their new hair cut makes them look great! If I dont want to lie I won't say anything at all.

I always thought that saggitarius was an honest/straightforward sign? I wouldnt have thought that it in your third would make you deceitful? perhaps it would be different if it was gemini in the third?! I don't know about pluto on your ascendant? do other people see you as honest?

I like to think that we can overcome the bad aspects in our charts and personalities. I hope I can because I was mortified after reading what it said about all my venus square's! I'm suprised anyone likes me at all!

dna · #18 10-15-2006, 10:18 PM

Pixie- I agree with you on overcoming parts of our natal charts ...(although i dont see my neptune and pluto positions as bad necessarily)....and yes other people do see me as honest....Like you, friends and family know when they ask me -I'll tell it like it is. My mom says thats one of her favorite things about me-

aaww. I too have always seen sag as an honest sign so when i was told my neptune in the 3rd in sag would mean that- I was a little surprised....Thanks for your reply.

jagetoile · #19 10-16-2006, 02:36 PM

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pixie1982 · #20 10-16-2006, 06:25 PM

Thanks jag,

Yeah I think that you are right - I just see what I want to see/have slight problem with interpreting reality. Sometimes I see myself as fat when thin or my boyfriend as wonderful when he is a loser!!!
I think that I'll grow up and stop blaming this on others but change the way I listen and react towards people in my life.

And its so nice meeting people with similar aspects! Do you find any problems having neptune on your asc or do you like it?

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freedomlover · #22 09-29-2008, 08:44 PM

I was re-reading this thread, and realized I didn't catch a comment about one of my posts somewhere along the way.

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Freedomlover Were your parents lying to protect you perhaps?

Possibly, although I think it was more my mother lying to protect herself.

Also, while re-reading this thread, I caught something I didn't catch before - the connection with Neptune (as discussed on this thread) and its relevance in my situation. I've found that the dispositor of my ascendant ruler plays a very important part in interpreting my ascendant. My ascendant is in Capricorn- ruler is Saturn. (This directly link to father issues. My Saturn is in Pisces in the 2nd. So Pisces is disposited by Neptune, bringing a strong Neptunian influence on to my Ascendant. My descendant is Cancer, ruler Moon in Aquarius, cusp of 2nd. My mother told me one story about my father's identity, but after her death, I had their divorce records opened, and it would seem she was lying.

In general, the way this has been repetitious is that I keep believing liars - my lie detector does not go off. I've always felt that finding out the truth about my father's identity would heal this at its root. I have been told by several psychics that they sense my father is already "in spirit", that he has passed on - but none of them ever got any more than that, really.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I can definitely "draw a picture that makes sense" about the Neptune/Saturn combination being this long-standing issues about the identity of my father, and also the way it keeps attracting liars to me - also partners who mirror to me the lies my mother told me. However, I'm uncertain how this ties in to the ruler of both ASC and DSC being in the 2nd (moon is on the cusp, though). Help?!

FL

paulkwiatkowski · #23 11-23-2008, 01:38 AM

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