Mystery Chart #1

eternalautumn · #1 11-10-2010, 12:36 AM

Here is Mystery Chart #1! Have fun!

This is with Placidus houses, which is the default I'll use for mystery charts.

I'll reveal the native on the 16th in a separate thread. For now, I'll tell you that this is a female nativity. Good luck!

[Note: this thread is only for astrologically interpreting the Mystery Chart, if you have a comment to make on the method of presenting the Mystery Chart or any other non-interpretive remark to make on the Mystery Chart go here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=29805 - Moderator]

eternalautumn · #2 11-10-2010, 05:55 PM

Alright, thanks EJ. I guess from now on I'll just copy them into each initial post.

Still waiting for someone, anyone to take a guess... Quite a few people said they would like to play, where are they now?

Phoenix Venus · #3 11-10-2010, 06:21 PM

They might have made themselves known through something artistic- maybe singing, or is an appealing communicator. they probably have an aesthetic eye so any type of artwork could be a possibility as far as career. (taurus on mc, venus conj. merc in pisces) the square to saturn shows the drive to hone these talents into something technical (some kind of music instrument, painting, clothes making?) saturn is ruling 6th so again through this square with venus/mercury is involved in career path. in the eight house it could lean towards occult or psychological type of feild. mercury is in det. but venus is strong in pisces so venus (art, sociability, harmony) rules over the thoughts.

they will have grand gestures and a strong presense. (leo asc) They make their philosophies and ideas very well known. They like to debate issues for a greater cause to teach others. (sun conj jupiter in aries 9 house opposing moon in libra)

She might have unique relationships that struggle with power. mars conj. dc is making no major aspects.

she is lacking in earth so there will be a struggle with consistency, routine, and staying grounded. erth houses rule the career houses (money, day to day work & social status) so ultimately her career lead to her sense of groundedness.

oh, some of the added planets changes it a bit. neptune on asc. will make the person much more shy and reserved than typical leo ascendant, probably will have a dreamy quality and again will be interested in artistic/spiritually involved activites.

the opposition from neptune to mars might represent a conflict between co-dependencey in relationships, becoming the other partner or saving partners, delusionment about the power dynamics or harmony vs. tension in the relationships.

Claire19 · #4 11-11-2010, 12:58 AM

I would say this is a person who lives abroad or has homes overseas. Perhaps she was brought up in an orphanage or a church home
as I see disruptions with parentage in some way. Did she find out who her real parents were?????? Was she adopted or fostered???? .

A very good promotor and advertiser of their job... Again I see emphasis on foreign contacts, publishing and advertising with Jupiter in the 9th trining Saturn. Foreign film industry perhaps with the Pisces planets and Neptune in Leo in the 1st...... Moon in Libra in house of personal income and assets suggests that money spend on beautifying homes and in peaceful surroundings. Involvement with syndicates and corporations, and using the assets of others. Would be a good negotiator and mediator.

The North Node in the 10th is indicative of prominence this time around but I also think this person can do well behind the scenes such as directing, producing. The involvement with scripts with Mercury in Pisces and screenplays. I think she would have multiple facets to her public image and more than one vocation.... An actor, author, director/producer......... or all three?????. Neptune in the 1st often feels invisible and can be chameleon like......Their self identity can be foggy and confused. Others may not really know who she is deep down.

I may be off but it has been fun nevertheless. I couldnt possibly guess the actual identity..

eternalautumn · #5 11-11-2010, 01:24 AM

You guys are actually doing pretty well...

Here's a hint. This person's early life was very different from their later years. Can you find anything strange that may have happened when they were young, and how things might have changed as they got older?

R4VEN · #6 11-11-2010, 01:42 AM

May have been a harsh childhood from which she had to `deliver' herself - looking at the 4th house, there, and Pluto-ruled 4th, which indicates control issues, as in being controlled by others.

Her salvation, if she managed it, was through communication, and the 10th house Gemini MNN indicates an ability/destiny to communicate as a career. Powerful indicators of compassion for others - Neptune on Leo ASC, and Pisces-ruled 8th house. She could have communicated - singing & music is possible, but also writing - about what she experienced as a child, or she may just as easily have used writing/singing/music to escape her early years.

Jupiter's position also indicates a teaching capability, and this is further reinforced by the Leo ASC. A teacher of philosophy and enlightened approaches to human existence.

Skillcoil · #7 11-11-2010, 01:54 AM

With Sagittarius 5th house cusp, and Chiron in the 9th, she might have been introduced to art forms from a different culture and at first might have not been accepted by others. Pluto in the 11th, Scorpio 4th house cusp, maybe her family was involved in an unconventional group, a few of the aspects makes me think there was a sharp contrast involved with the personalities of the parents. Another possibility of something strange could be a major accident, with the 8th house planets, and the Mars in Aquarius oppositions.

eternalautumn · #8 11-11-2010, 03:16 AM

You guys are getting closer...

But there's still much more to her life, the question is can you see it in the chart...

Inconjunct · #9 11-12-2010, 06:00 PM

Well, the Leo ascendant makes me think she's a performer of some kind, and Neptune rising suggests an actor, and I think probably a movie actor rather than a stage actor? She was/is a glamorous figure, I think, and Neptune there also suggests a possibility of problems with substance use as a form of escapism.

Claire19 · #10 11-13-2010, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Inconjunct

Well, the Leo ascendant makes me think she's a performer of some kind, and Neptune rising suggests an actor, and I think probably a movie actor rather than a stage actor? She was/is a glamorous figure, I think, and Neptune there also suggests a possibility of problems with substance use as a form of escapism.

I agree and with the loaded 8th house and ruled by Pisces I think that she has had major crises and even near death experience.. she may well have indulged in drugs or alcohol. Mars in the 7th and ruled by Uranus in the 8th is suggestive of a partner who may have died and certainly there are erratic influences there and unstable. That person may have died as a result of drugs or alcohol.

Inconjunct · #11 11-13-2010, 12:06 PM

Ha - I know who it is! Not telling not telling

Vista · #12 11-13-2010, 02:56 PM

Definitely a terrible childhood with that T-square from Saturn to Pluto and Venus. I bet she was adopted...perhaps she was old enough to remember her mother when she was given up which has given her a lot of emotional problems as an adult.

I have a feeling she might be dead already, most likely overdosed or was given a drug to do her in. Uranus in the 8th, to me would be a sudden death. Could also indicate an accident, but I still thinks drugs were involved.

I do think she was an actor and had quite a bit of money. She clearly wanted to be admired and most definitely was. She did have a nice voice with that Venus Conjunct Mercury in the 8th. It was probably had a very dreamy and alluring sound to it. I doubt she had much happiness in her relationships though. Uranus ruling her 7th house and oppose by Moon would tell me that she had somewhat unstable emotions and probably liked men she couldn't have, perhaps even having affairs with unavailable men. Mars there in the 7th would suggest liking of men who could potentially be controlling or abusive to her. With the opposition to Neptune drugs would certainly be involved I think.

I think with Jupiter up in the 9th house sextiling and trining Pluto and Saturn, might suggest a higher education or at the very least a quest for knowledge. She would definitely like to learn, however with Neptune there on the 1st house I would say she wasn't what she appeared to be. In other words, her public persona was very different than what she might be in private.

When can we start guessing the name?
Vista

eternalautumn · #13 11-13-2010, 03:13 PM

NO NAME GUESSING!

I'll reveal the name on the answer thread on the 16th.

PS: As a hint, R4VEN is the "hottest", so far.

R4VEN · #14 11-13-2010, 11:48 PM

Just adding another snippet .........

I had not even looked at the Chiron placement - in Taurus in the 9th. This indicates the wound of: How will I survive? (my childhood, this cruel world, my oppressors - especially those who shut me up....) which would be worked through by examining ideas to do with philosophy and spirituality. I suspect also - as a follow-on to my earlier post - this person had to gain a higher education in order to `survive'.

This then supports the suggestion I made of her being some kind of teacher/lecturer, and by extension, a writer also. To be well-known, her writing is probably that for which she is `famous'.

R4VEN · #15 11-14-2010, 01:30 AM

Another thought just crossed my mind, and I'm going to air it, just in case it's true for this person.

She could be in politics - there are enough indicators of being in the public eye, and being a good speaker/writer, and having ideas/a mission.

However, I personally do not think this is her best avenue of expression, as I feel she is too bright/intelligent to be a politician, and she can get her message out through more direct means.

[I think that my psyche has been affected by the recent release of Burmese democracy fighter, Aung San Suu Kyi, from house arrest. She has achieved more by being silenced for the past 20 years than had she been out there in the public arena. Our mystery person appears to have had a public voice.]

PS: Had another weird thought........ Thought it might be former White House correspondent, Helen Thomas - but she's too old to be this person. She certainly spoke and wrote her own mind, though.

Claire19 · #16 11-14-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Inconjunct

Ha - I know who it is! Not telling not telling

I know you can pick the general age by the outer planets but I am glad you are not telling....

Claire19 · #17 11-14-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by R4VEN

Just adding another snippet .........

I had not even looked at the Chiron placement - in Taurus in the 9th. This indicates the wound of: How will I survive? (my childhood, this cruel world, my oppressors - especially those who shut me up....) which would be worked through by examining ideas to do with philosophy and spirituality. I suspect also - as a follow-on to my earlier post - this person had to gain a higher education in order to `survive'.

This then supports the suggestion I made of her being some kind of teacher/lecturer, and by extension, a writer also. To be well-known, her writing is probably that for which she is `famous'.

I tend to agree about the writing and perhaps lecturing.....but I dont think it is her dominant theme......

Yennefer · #18 11-14-2010, 07:54 AM

With Sun conj Jupiter in Aries, this person is a born fighter.
Mars conj POF in 7th house and also Moon in Libra in 2nd house of personal values makes me think of someone who will fight for (and/or with) others, perhaps being a spokesman for a minority group, promoting equal rights (Libra) etc.???

Saturn conj South Node in Sag/4th house speaks of hard lessons in childhood so one can learn tolerance for others, with Jupiter conj Sun in 9th house and also Neptune on ASC (compassion) I bet she learned that lesson.

Hard to tell exactly without date and time of birth but progressed Moon reached IC around age 3 so there were some changes regarding home. Later around age 5-6 prog Moon reached South Node and Saturn and that may be when the hard lessons began.

IC ruler Pluto square Jupiter, some hard/dark stuff, violence at home????

Taurus on MC, Venus conj Mercury in Pisces in 8th house is very artistic, may have been a poet (Pisces imagination), or singer, or dancer and Neptune on ASC in Leo, also actor. With being a dominant personality, maybe a movie director as well. Certainly skilled with words.
She probably deals with hard childhood by experssing herself in an artistic way (saturn square Ven-Merc) - but this also suggests that there was a problem with it, maybe she was afraid speak for herself and struggled to overcome it????

Prog Sun reaches N Node in 10th house aroung age 40 (also sextile natal Sun and trine natal Moon), looks like she got public and known via communicating (Gemini) in an artistic way (Merc conj Venus). Maybe this is when she finally overcome her childhood.

Desc in Aqua with Mars in 7th house, Uran in Aries in 8th, seems like relationships are not stable, somewhat erratic. Relationships with some unusual men.

RockFish · #19 11-14-2010, 02:28 PM

The keyboard is awful here so I'll limit myself to commentary about the Mars Neptune opposition, which I think was not very commented by the other members.

Mars oppose Neptune, I'd say she had at least one marriage and it was rather disappointing, perhaps with lots of struggle and passive-aggression. I'd say she divorced eventually, but her image of masculinity did not help her a lot in the relationship department anyways, where she was perhaps in love with closeted homossexuals, drug addicts and/or extremely eccentric and selfish people.

eternalautumn · #20 11-16-2010, 02:21 AM

Alright everyone, I'm revealing the answer tomorrow... Any last minute players?

Vista · #21 11-16-2010, 05:16 PM

Well??