Praying and God within..must read

[paulyoSon]

i have recently noticed my strong ability to will things into existence. some others call this prayer. the thing is, is that the only way us beings can really FEEL God is from within. the only way. God only exists within our being and in other life beings, everything else you think you feel on the outside is his creation, not Himself. So back to it, when we pray we think we are praying to God through his creation, through the outside world, looking up to the heavens, we are really not. When we pray and ask Him for a virtue or for more earthly material requests, we are truthfully asking ourselves. we are asking our spirit, our soul, the part of HIm that is our being. we are really praying to ourselves, subconciusly of course though. we pray to God thinking he is outside of us, not within us, but we are subconciously asking ourself for whatever it is. and the power within us will will it to existence whatever way that may be. We are asking our soul, which is God, to help us, God can only be felt within, and you will realize that your being is part of God and therefore is God, just a peice though. just ask yourself for whatever it is you want, and you will will it if you want it bad enough. RESPECT GOD THROUGH OURSELF,

[Mark]

It is True that God is found within, not without. It is also True that the Whole is reflected in all of It's individual, subjective parts. I would rather say, though, that when you pray to God, you're praying to the big Us, the One Father, the Whole and Beginning of all Creation. This actually gets at the root of the human problem. The application of the Will of God in your life is partially dependent upon your own free will. Just as every soul is an extension of the One Soul, every will is an extension of the One Will. Thus, to use your own will in harmony with the Will is to right your relationship to God. To use your own will selfishly is to misuse the Will itself. Misapplication of the Will damages your relationship to God, causing discord in both yourself and God. One of the primary purposes of human existence is for each individual to learn his/her relationship to God and how it should be used. Love breeds Unity and fruitfulness. Selfishness breeds only destruction. You may use your will to become One with God or you may use it to isolate yourself in outer darkness (there is nowhere else to go). As He gave very long ago: This day there is put before you good and evil, Life and death. Choose thou.

P.S. This thread may need to be moved to the Spiritual Realm sub-forum, given that it doesn't have much to do with natal charts.

[paulyoSon]

nice mark a great view of the matter. But yes we all are part of God within, but when it comes down to it our greatest sense of God is within ourselves, we cannot connect to God within others...and i believe in destiny, and that EVERYTHINg we do is part of HIS WILL, kill murder steal, when we do it is still part of his will, as well as when we repent and WILL be forgiven, ALWAYS AND FOREVER FORGIVEN. HONESTY and FORGIVENESS ARE KEEEEYYY!!

[Caprising]

Originally Posted by paulyoSon

nice mark a great view of the matter. But yes we all are part of God within, but when it comes down to it our greatest sense of God is within ourselves, we cannot connect to God within others...and i believe in destiny, and that EVERYTHINg we do is part of HIS WILL, kill murder steal, when we do it is still part of his will, as well as when we repent and WILL be forgiven, ALWAYS AND FOREVER FORGIVEN. HONESTY and FORGIVENESS ARE KEEEEYYY!!

I won't follow a "god" that wants me to kill/murder/steal!.....What sort of a god would that be?

[Neptune Rising]

I feel that once you find God, Bliss, Nirvana, Ananda ect, that you have no need to hurt any other being. Once you not only find bliss, but become bliss, then that is all you are, bliss, God. Then that is all you give out to others, is bliss.

[piscesnurse]

well said neptune rising

[suimui10]

I think what Paul is saying is not that God wants you to kill murder steal but that, IF you do, it's part of a higher plan for your soul in his physical plane. Having said that though, what's more important -and Paul points that out too- is -imo- the fact that you need to ask for forgiveness, an act of higher consciousness an awareness in itself. Once you reach this level of consciousness and awareness, your kill murder steal karma is complete. But that's of course easier said than done. Bottom line; it doesn't mean that "God wants you to kill murder steal". There is a soul contract you were privy of before you arrived here. There's free will and God will respect that as He gave Free Will for your soul as a gift. It is you and only you who decides what kind of lessons you wish to go through in this physical plane. And it's still upon you to "wake up" to your lessons and "repent". Awareness is key. It's not easy and it's solely upon you. It's the gate of higher awareness and it graduates your soul to your next karmic circle.

[Vagabondgirl]

I kind of feel something similar... Everyone in church for example is talking about God that is higher than us "mortals", but I believe that we have a higher self that may be equivalent to God. But its not always easy to get in contact with this higher self/God. You need to reach deep within yourself, maybe through meditation and other states of the mind. I think that God/the higher self has no prejudgies, fear, hate... So thats why this state of mind is so hard to reach, because most people have these qualities to a certain degree.

I think many religions are like a two-sided sword. On one side they look up to this greater being or God, but on the other side they often project "human nature"/ natural animal instincts onto this "God" which then creates war, unhappiness, you name it. So some people might actually belive that they are in contact with the higher God, but its just a misinterpretation. Kind of like a Neptunian influence, perhaps when badly aspect. Disillusion....

I have experienced something with friends of mine who are strong believers in christianity. They talk about all the great things in believing and about God. But on the other hand they may say negative things about muslims for example. So there are still flaws about these people to be resolved, and also for most people on this planet I guess

[Mark]

I must disagree with a number of things said so far. Firstly, theft and murder are not growing experiences. Such things are motivated by selfishness and are destructive to the Spirit. It is true that everyone is put to their own measure (you will be judged as you judge others), but do not let this fact confuse you into thinking all actions are the same. Is a life spent as a serial rapist just as good as the life of Mother Teresa? What follows here is a very important point. God does not condemn. All who are condemned have condemned themselves. You save yourself or condemn yourself through choices. What things have you built into your self and your life? Are you worth saving? What impacts have you had on the people around you? Every one of us is as a cell in the body of God. Have you made yourself into a healthy, supportive cell or a tumour that threatens to devour everything? Were you destined to be a tumour? No. Only your own choices can make you such.

We also need to draw a sharp distinction between religion and spirituality. They are not the same. Spirituality is, by definition, a search for spiritual Truth. Religion is the exact opposite. Religion is based on tradition and arrogantly fights anything that opposes that tradition, even if it is the Universe Itself! Spirituality and religion work in different ways and have different goals.

You don't get to choose all your own lessons. There are some lessons that everyone needs to learn and very few want. It's true, however, that you can ***** up into tossing more lessons on your karmic pile and everyone has done this. Even so, there are still those lessons that everyone must learn. This that we now call existence is a school for us. We are supposed to be learning our relationship to God and thus slowly realising that we are, in fact, Godlings ourselves. Choice is the most powerful thing any human can possess. Will, applied with Love, can conquer anything.

P.S. No one is ever truly alone.

[suimui10]

Will, applied with Love, can conquer anything.

Thanks for this, Mark.

[e-raced soul]

first off, suimui, you are showing that you only grasped that last part of Marks post cuz is sounds good or whateveer. this post has sooo much to be taken. ****, by TRuely UNDERSTANDING this post, you can be sooo much more spiritual, most can. The cell in the body of God, destined to be a gifted cell, gifted wth the choice to create and benefit the future. Or your gift of free will corrupt you into selfishness and greed.. Honestly i believe(Amen) we are all destined to be healthy cells, to live to die, and to recognize the body we make up,God, in any dimensional perspective.

if you want to pray it should be to all and nothing and everything you think in existence. but your free will should negate any NEED to pray. the want to pray and to sacrifice yourself to God is a different story.. God is within, is without, is nothing truely and is everything from human perspective. God is spark that keeps time spinning. the blast of energy from each cell in your body going with the flow of God, of time. the word God can be replaced with any word, any thing, as well as no thing, black, empty, and all as one. cuz God is all and is nothing

[e-raced soul]

e-raced soul implies, how we are all soul erased, birthed to Earth with a clean slate an empty slate. and a naturally a restricted soul/mind/slate.

e-raced as in e-mail. e implies electricity, electronic. i am very high energy very intense as an individual(electricity-raced soul) a high ampltitude robot that runs off electric just as all animals and earth beings can be refereed to as robots we are all preprogrammed and run of an electric battery(our brain)!!. so ya double meaning there, i take pride in it . our brain are our batteries, our source of energy, that lock us into our being