Moons that don't fit

[MSO]

Is there a way to overcome or learn to co-operate with a moon that doesn't necessarily fit with the other signs in your chart?

For example, I have a Pisces moon. Coupled with my Libra sun I find myself dreaming about doing things and never actually doing it. And its a real damper on my social skills. I read somewhere that the Pisces moon/Libra sun people are usually practically hermits and only leave their houses because of the Libran need for communication.

Its driving me crazy.

[Mark]

With right thought and right action, anything can be overcome. I'd say you're pushed to be an extrovert by Leo and to be an introvert by Pisces, so Libra has no idea how to connect unless consciously directed. I consider the true lunar nodes and osculating lunar apogee to be extensions of the Moon's influence, so it would be helpful to know those as well. They tell all about the interconnectedness between you and everyone else. I could look them up for you or you could use the Digiscope on my site (in the signature) to find them for yourself. I say this because there are very few programs that will calculate the osculating lunar apogee for you. You don't want the mean of any of them; only the true values. Many will disagree with this, but not for good reasons.

[for3v3r_17teen]

Haha I can relate to this in a way. I'm an Aquarian with moon in Capricorn, ASC Leo. Needless to say, Aquarius and Leo want to go out and have fun, and take on the "rebellious" nature from time to time. However, Capricorn stamps his foot and says "No. We have plans set, and things must remain in order. Now, both of you stop this tomfoolery at once and get back to studying." It can be very confusing and conflicting at times. My cappy moon is also the reason I tend to be a bit more reserved. Not a good thing as far as social things go...

[MSO]

It honestly doesn't help that my sun is square to 4 different things.

Trying to overcome them is just so freakin' hard sometimes. You just wanna resort to what feels natural, especially when you're agitated or annoyed by something (which happens often... thanks Leo).

Mark, I tried using your tool, but I can't figure out what the heck it means. I looked at the results and they look completely different from my star chart... I must've messed it up somehow.

[Mark]

Direct your life with will and then nothing else matters. You'll just have to tell kitty that he has to be moderate now.

The time and date calculations on my site are dependent solely upon the Swiss Ephemeris binary, which has been tested for accuracy quite extensively. Any time within a few centuries of the present should be spot on. Just make sure to do your time conversion to UTC correctly. Did you mean the positions were different; or the houses; or the orientation of it? My charts are all drawn on the same zodiac over and over. This way, the sky is always the same and the planets and houses move around it. If you mean the acronyms for the lots, then those are labeled further down. Don't give up on the first try. If you can have someone rectify your birth time, then all of those pages of information become useful.

[Lion o ness]

MSO.. Im your opposite, yet I think we may have alot in common..

I have a Leo Sun, and Moon with a Pisces rising. Well actually I have a lot of Leo...
see my signature.
I only have generational planets in Libra besides those,I have no air or earth.

Im also introverted, Id rather spend my time alone, in my own little world, day dreaming about what I should be doing... lol ( I know sounds crazy)

I'm working on being a little more outgoing.. Not that I'm not outgoing, its just a preference to be alone. Its where my peace is..

You are who you are, you can find comfort in being alone, and at some points you will find comfort being with others.....

Being introverted, there is a deep need to "get away" and have some time just for yourself.. Value this time.. Get away when you need to.. Cherish it, when your ready your Libra will get out there...

I know at times, my leo just has to "shine"!!! Sometimes it goes into sleep mode..

[MSO]

Originally Posted by Mark

Direct your life with will and then nothing else matters. You'll just have to tell kitty that he has to be moderate now.

The time and date calculations on my site are dependent solely upon the Swiss Ephemeris binary, which has been tested for accuracy quite extensively. Any time within a few centuries of the present should be spot on. Just make sure to do your time conversion to UTC correctly. Did you mean the positions were different; or the houses; or the orientation of it? My charts are all drawn on the same zodiac over and over. This way, the sky is always the same and the planets and houses move around it. If you mean the acronyms for the lots, then those are labeled further down. Don't give up on the first try. If you can have someone rectify your birth time, then all of those pages of information become useful.

Oh, I used Eastern Time lol. My bad.

I'll post up what I get tomorrow, I'm tired right now.

Originally Posted by Lion o ness

MSO.. Im your opposite, yet I think we may have alot in common..

I have a Leo Sun, and Moon with a Pisces rising. Well actually I have a lot of Leo...
see my signature.
I only have generational planets in Libra besides those,I have no air or earth.

Im also introverted, Id rather spend my time alone, in my own little world, day dreaming about what I should be doing... lol ( I know sounds crazy)

I'm working on being a little more outgoing.. Not that I'm not outgoing, its just a preference to be alone. Its where my peace is..

You are who you are, you can find comfort in being alone, and at some points you will find comfort being with others.....

Being introverted, there is a deep need to "get away" and have some time just for yourself.. Value this time.. Get away when you need to.. Cherish it, when your ready your Libra will get out there...

I know at times, my leo just has to "shine"!!! Sometimes it goes into sleep mode..

I hate being alone though! I hate sitting around daydreaming about being with friends. Its not even the moon's fault, I actually think its my Sun being square to Saturn that turns people off to me. But instead of facing it head on, I make up these elaborate plans (I'm guessing Virgo cusp is responsible for the charting and planning? lol) that I never set into motion.

I can't stand not being in control. But no matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to find a way. Simply saying "will power" does absolutely nothing. I need some sort of outlined plan or it just feels chaotic to me.

I'm not asking for a life coach, though it sounds like it, I just want some path I can travel, even if its wrong. I'm very good at adjusting and changing things to suit me, I'm just scratching my head bald here trying to figure out how to cope with these squares and this annoying moon that wants nothing more than to sit around and daydream about the past and how things can be.

[Lion o ness]

I have Saturn sq Asc.. So again Im with you here.. I do at times come across as cold and harsh..

As for a path look/research your NN. This is the path you should be looking for, try not to fall back into your SN sign.. Finding your NN path will make you happier..

For me I dont think we are born as our "sun" this is deep inside, yet its also a path we are to take, using your Mars and our NN.. (if that makes sense) Once we are on our right path, our sign will come out..

Remember that "bad" aspects arent really bad.. They are learning expperiences we need to overcome. Which takes a long time..

Hope this helps.

[MSO]

Originally Posted by Lion o ness

I have Saturn sq Asc.. So again Im with you here.. I do at times come across as cold and harsh..

As for a path look/research your NN. This is the path you should be looking for, try not to fall back into your SN sign.. Finding your NN path will make you happier..

For me I dont think we are born as our "sun" this is deep inside, yet its also a path we are to take, using your Mars and our NN.. (if that makes sense) Once we are on our right path, our sign will come out..

Remember that "bad" aspects arent really bad.. They are learning expperiences we need to overcome. Which takes a long time..

Hope this helps.

Sorry for this, but most of the astrology I know is actually pieced together from years of curiosity about certain things here and there. What's NN path, or SN sign for that matter?

And for the sun, I see that as a sort of foundation. Whereas the rest of the chart just builds upon that.

And yeah I know the hard aspects aren't bad, they're just mighty frustrating.

EDIT:

OK, I did some research and found that NN probably is referring to the North Node.

Now here's the thing... its in Pisces as well, and its in my 8th house, which from what I'm reading deals with death, dissolution, legacies... basically anything to do with passing from one generation to the next, along with investigation, after-life and occultism. All that being said... I'm basically ******* by Pisces and Scorpio-based principles... At least from what I gather.

But from this (yay Libra optimism) I can at least form some sort of understand as to what I should focus on.

And funny thing, I was just mentioning how I needed order and here my South Node is in Virgo >.<

[Lion o ness]

What sign/house is your True Node in?

This is the direction your suppose to build up to.

[MSO]

I edited my last post.

Now I just got to figure out how you aspire to deal with dreaminess regarding the relative's of the dead's possessions. Odd.

But it still doesn't help with my moon.

I am going to go out on a limb though and just wing it for once. Dream up something fanciful and do it. Maybe the Pisces moon is actually a blessing to get me to my NN path faster?

[Lion o ness]

Both of these would apply since its in your 8th but in the sign of Pisces.
Think about how these fit into your life..

North Node in Scorpio and/or in the Eighth House

With North Node in Scorpio, our South Node is in Taurus. With North Node in the eighth house, our South Node is in the second house.

A tendency to be overly self-reliant and set in our ways, to cling to our possessions (material and otherwise) and habits, to be too fearful of crisis and overly focused on security, and to attempt to achieve success through sheer will rather than listening to our sixth sense are some of the issues this position suggests. With this position, we need to loosen the grasp we have on the things and people around us and open ourselves up to our soul's need for transformation, change, and regeneration. We may experience difficulties in partnerships because we tend to be blind to others' values and worth, expecting them to share the same values as us. We, in fact, not only need a partner, we need to learn the value of true partnership and intimacy (sharing) in order to gain the security we so crave! But, first we need to move away from our instincts to support ourselves, and towards sharing with significant others. We may fear taking chances and we tend to resist change as well as input from others. We may find ourselves imprisoned by the world of the five senses, and need to learn to fearlessly confront the possibility of crisis and change in our lives. Moving out of the seemingly solid and stable material world can seem intimidating. But clinging to things and people that are either outdated, limiting, or counter to our growth will steer us in the wrong direction. Releasing ourselves from our attachment to doing things our own way will help us find inner balance and satisfaction.





North Node in Pisces and/or in the Twelfth House

With North Node in Pisces, our South Node is in Virgo. With North Node in the twelfth house, our South Node is in the sixth house.

A tendency to worry unremittingly, to be plagued by vague (and sometimes not so vague) feelings of guilt about under-performing, to lack faith and trust in a larger more spiritual plan, and to over-analyze ourselves and others are some of the issues this position suggests. With this position, we need to put some faith in spiritual powers or the "big picture", to let go of some of our fears that we are not doing enough, to love ourselves and others with more compassion and understanding, and to be humble, feeling safe in the knowledge that we (and others) are not perfect. We need to trust and develop our imagination, as well as our capacity for compassion. Learning to let go of some of our obsessions with rules, details, and fears of not doing things perfectly will help us to achieve a greater sense of balance and to ease our fear of failure and guilty feelings.

[MSO]

Wow man, those are the exact problems I have. This is very valuable insight. I thank you! Hmmm my Libra side is telling me I owe you one, I just got to find something I can give you of equal value!

And on to pressing matters:

I have to make a list of these things so I can peruse it properly and...

NO MSO! DON'T DO IT!

Haha. This is really hard.

Edit: (My curiosity is endless bear with me.)

I don't have a solid grip on what the True Lilith is, but from what I understand it helps you to let go... Am I wrong here?

Now my True Lilith is right there in Virgo. So being that, would that help me to let go of my clutch on my South Node (I'm not sure if they're in the same house, the chart I'm using doesn't display the South Node's position)?

[Lion o ness]

HAHa just glad to help...
I found more... See if theses are the problems your are having its because your are falling "back" into your SN.. Which will not make you happy.. Find ways to move forward to your NN.

North Node in the 8th House The universe is encouraging you to play up your North node sign traits in these areas of life.
Consider the following: bond with another person and experience real intimacy. You may even meet a kindred soul that feels like a "soul-mate."
Become open to accepting the resources, or even the moral support that others give you. Learn to deal with issues concerning inheritance, or your partner's finances.
Major lifestyle transitions can happen. You'll discover that drastic changes beyond your control often bring rejuvenation to outworn situations and therefore, a new lease on life.
Pay attention to your dreams; they often contain psychic insights that can be pertinent to waking life scenarios. Keep a dream journal by your bedside to record impressions upon waking.

[MSO]

I edited my last post again, haha sorry. I didn't wanna double post, as you hadn't posted this yet.

Originally Posted by Lion o ness

HAHa just glad to help...
I found more... See if theses are the problems your are having its because your are falling "back" into your SN.. Which will not make you happy.. Find ways to move forward to your NN.

North Node in the 8th House The universe is encouraging you to play up your North node sign traits in these areas of life.
Consider the following: bond with another person and experience real intimacy. You may even meet a kindred soul that feels like a "soul-mate."
Become open to accepting the resources, or even the moral support that others give you. Learn to deal with issues concerning inheritance, or your partner's finances.
Major lifestyle transitions can happen. You'll discover that drastic changes beyond your control often bring rejuvenation to outworn situations and therefore, a new lease on life.
Pay attention to your dreams; they often contain psychic insights that can be pertinent to waking life scenarios. Keep a dream journal by your bedside to record impressions upon waking.

I don't know if you follow the same belief about it as I do, but to me you progress through the zodiac from one sigh to another until you learn all the lessons. Now it seems to me, at least in my case, that the Nodes are allowing me to fully shed the Virgo I came from and become a full-fledged Libra (possibly the next time around).

And I always attributed those Virgo tendencies to be a cusp thing, since I was born on the 24, slightly over 1 day after Libra start (Sun is only 1 degree 24' in Libra). Now I'm confused!

[Inconjunct]

I like this post from Mother Sky, which seems apposite to this discussion

http://www.mothersky.com/2010/08/sky...derbox-moment/

Rather than concentrate on what a placement would look like if it were used optimally, we rivet our attention upon what it looks like when we misuse it.

Though it may be natural, this approach is problematic, both spiritually and psychologically, because it distracts us from seeing the planet energy as a potential. We tend to see it as a matter of fate. Instead of seeing the unconscious use of planet as a distortion, we’re tempted to see it as fundamental: as if the planet’s shadow side were its “natural” side. This begs a basic question of assumptions, that all students of astrology must ask themselves sooner or later. Do we believe the higher version, rather than the lower, is the default mode? Do we believe the planet’s ideal version is how it “wants” to be expressed? If so, we should be careful about the way we talk about its dark side...

...How helpful is it for a client with, say, Saturn conjunct Venus, to read – as she is likely to, in an astrology “cookbook” — that this is the natal placement of prostitution? Even if the astrologer-writer has taken great pains to express elsewhere in the book that, in general, a placement’s manifestation cannot be predicted in specific terms, the minute the hapless reader sees that Venus-Saturn = prostitution she is unlikely to forget it for the rest of her days.

The planets represent potentials, not actualities; they represent what might happen, not what WILL happen. You are a human being with free will and agency, you are not doomed to live out your Moon, Sun, rising sign or any other such thing in your chart and the sooner you realise this, the less distressing/distracting/annoying your Pisces Moon will seem.

[Lion o ness]

I dont know that much about true Lilith. I get confused since there is 3.. lol
hey I have Mercury RX and Saturn in the 3rd... lol

As for the SN its always exactly opposite your NN. So what ever degree your NN degree is its the exact opposite sign/degree. So lets say your NN is 1 Pisces then your SN would be 1 Virgo.. Make sense?


Im still up in the air about past lifes.. Need more research... lol I do think there is past lifes, but IDK how it works/worked...

I think you need to find a nice Aqua girl (ur 7th ruler) with Pisces placements.. LOL.... OR a Uranus type of girl..