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Old 09-10-2006, 09:27 AM
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North Node Ascendant

Just a question on the North Node. If the North Node in sign means the qualities you have to learn this lifetime. What is the meaning of the North Node in your Ascendant sign. Would you not already have these qualities, or is it more of a meaning of developing them more for your self development.

What is the true meaning of the Ascendant because I have always taken it to mean the qualities we are positively carrying with us to help us along our journey this lifetime.

I am asking this because I have North Node in Virgo my Ascendant, I know I possess a lot of Virgo because I am very self critical of myself, I analyze everything I do and I can't bear to make mistakes (maybe this has a stronger influence because of my Sun-Saturn). But my North Node here is saying I need to develop these qualities.

Or does it mean because my South Node is in Pisces 7th I have do develop a detachment and focus more on myself while balancing my sympathetic side for others.

Howl also has her North Node in her Cancer Ascendant so would she need to develop her nurturing side for herself and balance an overemphasis on others. Because she has a Gemini Moon she finds it difficult expressing her emotions, she likes to talk about emotions, and with her South Node Capricorn this also emphasizes difficulty expressing emotions.

What is confusing me is the North Node being in Ascendant, should we not already possess a lot of Cancer qualities and Virgo qualities.

I know this is a really confusing question. Hope you can understand what I am asking here.

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Old 09-10-2006, 10:41 AM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

One way to look at it is to see the place where Mercury (owner of Virgo) in your chart is placed. The North Node would relate the ascendant (self) with that house. For example, if Mercury were in the IX house, the individual would be very keen on journeys abroad since (i) North Node represents journeys abroad, and (ii) the IX house also, among other things, represents the same.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:53 PM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

Thanks Martha

I guess with my Ruler of the Ascendant Virgo being Mercury in Pisces 7th House. Relationships, dealings with other's and one-to-one relationships. Will all be a major factor in my life.

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Old 09-10-2006, 10:50 PM
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Yes, it is so. It would be particularly visible during the major-period (dasa) of North Node (Rahu) according to vedic astrlogy.
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Old 09-10-2006, 11:36 PM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

I was reading about this on another forum a while back and the idea of the lunar nodes representing past lives is actually only a recent idea, so depending on how you look at the nodes, it might be less confusing assigning a different meaning to them. I can't recall exactly what they meant prior to the 20th century (perhaps someone here knows).
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Old 09-11-2006, 12:03 AM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

Nevermind, I found the thread: http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...upID=100266570

Lots of interesting information discussed
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Thanks for the link Sam, a good discussion on the nodes .

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Old 09-12-2006, 02:24 AM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

Interesting and difficult Q.

I think you project Virgo because Vir is your ASC, so you have the ability to project the qualities of Virgo. I think what the NN in the 1st house is about is that if you are able to develop these characteristics past just simply projecting them, then you have learnt your life lesson. Also being in the 1st house might indicate that you have to focus on yourself and maybe a need to study/analyse (virgo) oneself (NN).

I think SN in the 7th and in pisces means you have achieved the qualities of being unified with another and that you are able to transcend the mundane world through a relationship. You will tend to slip into this comfort zone (SN) when maybe things go wrong.

The ruler of the NN is Mercury and it is in your 7th/pisces. Which maybe indicates that you should be examining yourself through your relationships/partnerships with others, ie study what you know to learn something about yourself.

Also mercury sits so close to the 8th house so some people might actually interpret that as the 8th. We know 8th is about investigation/penetration etc, so mercury could have impact in your life that way. Your 8th house cusp is also on pisces so that should give you the ability to cut through it. The 8th house cusp also contains aries as well - self.

Your Nep, which is DC ruler sits in the 4th so maybe you get your partnership abilities/aspects from home. It also squares mercury, so maybe there is a conflict with yourself and home life and you might have untangle all this to satisfy NN needs.

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Old 09-12-2006, 04:56 AM
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Thanks 23,

That was a really good answer, so I need to develop these qualities myself and examine myself. The North Node here is just emphasizing this. Plus adding how I need to examine my relationships to learn about myself. It all made complete sense. I always get confused with this polarity between my first and seventh. With the square between my chart ruler and ruler of my seventh Neptune in 4th would show my home life needs resolving. The conflict between the two.

Your a natural at astrology, I have never been able to come up with an anwer you like you have given.

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Thank you

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Hey 23 I love how you described the North Node in Asendent especially this part.
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I think with the North Node in the 1st means - if you are able to develop these characteristics past just simply projecting them, then you have learnt your life lesson.
It explained it really clearly instead of projecting Virgo I really need to develop these skills within myself. It was a really good answer thanks again

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Old 09-15-2006, 09:39 AM
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Well I suppose also that I should add that developing Virgoan characteristics in your life isn't just thinking like a virgo and being stereotypically critical but could relate to more mundane aspects of your life such as being tidy, taking care of your health, watching your money, being practical. Those are simple of ways of doing it. Not saying that you aren't any of those things (hope you don't take offence to what I say), but could you see any way of instilling these regimes in your life?
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Hi 23

Sorry I am late replying to you, but yes you are right I neglect my health and I am working on being more tidy and learning how to handle money. I don't take offence to what you have said because It is true.

I have found some more interpretation on the nodes being in the same signs as the Ascendant/Descendant I thought I would add it here as it may be of interest to others who have the same placement of the Nodes too.
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Having the Nodes closely connected to, and in the same signs as the Ascendant - Descendant axis means that the lessons of the Nodes are very closely tied to the individuals one-to-one relationships and approach to the world. The issue of perspective remains an important one: It's difficult to separate the lessons of the Nodes from ones basic approach to life - however, it does simplify things somewhat, as the lessons and gifts of the Nodes are likely to present themselves in rather obvious ways.
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Old 10-02-2006, 01:25 PM
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North Node Cancer 1H, South Node Cappie 7H Reporting:

Recently I've been having an astrological identity crisis. I don't know how Cancerian I am, for a start. Feels like I used to have a clearer grasp on what "I" was, and could have answered if you'd asked me. Now I am finding that it's all in there together, and I can't simplify, catgorise or assign. It's probably a good thing to lose grip of your chart, I'll get to find it again in a different way, I'm sure

One thing that I have been wondering is: how Capricornian am I, really? South Node is supposed to describe, as has been discussed here, a quality you have previously mastered, a safety zone of familiarity, a quality that you come born with. Yet mine, like yours Ray, is in the 7H, a house where you can tend to "project" onto other people, to actually disown qualities. So, mine could suggest that I have somehow "mastered" achievement and structure in the material sense through partnership with others. But how can you have mastered something in a house where you tend to project? Might I not project Capricorn qualities onto others, so much, because my south node is here? Have I claimed my descendant sign for myself??

You could read a 7H South Node as "too easily" depending on relationships other people. For you, Ray, it would be depending on them for piscean dissolution of strict personal (virgo 1H) boundaries. For me, it would be depending on them to provide the structures (Cappie 7H) to allow for expression of my own personal emotions (Cancer 1H). But I don't see it.

I don't see my relying much on other people in a Capricornian way at all, apart from my parents, and that was to be expected . Sure I am attracted to people with Earth Suns, but I am actually serially unattached, have been for years. I mean, look at me, over the other side of the country by myself here. No one to depend on but me.

I think what I am saying is that I can understand North Node in Cancer 1H. I can see how I can develop the clearest qualities of Cancer, and how experience has provided me with the stimulus to do this. I can even understand South Node in Capricorn. I have the drive for achievement. What I don't understand is South Node in the 7H. I can't clearly see myself seeking security through partner relationships. The only way that I can think of is through friends, but they aren't Capricorn type relationships.

Bah. Any suggestions as to how a 7H Cappie South Node could play out? I am soon to be 25, and it sure doesn't look like I am about to marry a wealthy, upperclass older man ain't no golddigger here!
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:01 PM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

Hangon, something has just occurred to me. Could it be that I, myself, find security through approaching close relationships in a cautious, practical and discriminating way? Perhaps the security is not in the partner, but more in the way that I approach partnership. Hmm. Is that why I am comfortable over here all by myself? If there are no close relationships that have yet proven worthy, then I prefer to have none?

South Node in 7H still doesn't tie in with that, it makes it sound like I would "fall back" onto relying on other people. The node is disposited by Saturn in Libra, which again links in to the idea of needing relationships for security. Saturn is in the 3H (the mind and communication) conjunct Pluto. I need intense, deeply communicative close relationships that satisfy my Capricornian (quality control!) requirements in order to feel secure?

Why aren't I more relationship dependant ?! Seems the nodal signs are more signifiant than their house placement? Or is it that I "fall back" onto being a hermit in interpersonal relationships to feel secure?

Also, Saturn and Pluto in Libra sqaure my 1H/7H nodal axis. Does that say anything to you?
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:30 PM
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Hi Howl,

I will try to give you another perspective on this later when I have more time. I have been reading up a bit more on the Ascendant and Nodes. I have a book which describes your Nodes in signs combined with the house placements. I will type it up later for you, but I think your on the right track about projecting your South Node/Capricorn I am sure it mentions something in the book about this.

Till Later,

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P.S When I first looked at the Nodes I never realised how different it might be with the Nodes being on the Asc/Descendant.
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:34 PM
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Thanks Ray, you're my astrological hero I haven't bought any astrology books yet. Still in denial that I am clearly some kind of astrologer, it keeps on sucking me back in!
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:39 PM
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I have just read a little on your Nodes and you are a right clever clogs You can project Capricorn and your South Node gifts. I will type the full explanation up later. Your getting too good at Astrology Howl I will get jealous. I needed a book to tell me the answer.

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Old 10-02-2006, 03:08 PM
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I have one more question to throw in!! Cancer North Nodes:

The NNode signifies an area of growth, challenge, learning, yet Cancer NNodes have their node disposited by the Moon, which is seen as a signifier of habitual, instinctive reactions founded in the need for security. So Cancer NNodes have their NNode associated with a planet that is security seeking. Actually, they have EACH node associated with a security seeking planet; one security through structure (saturn) and the other security through familiarity (moon).

Interestingly, the moon is also thought to represent qualities one has instinctually learned from childhood. What do you think it means to have these security seeking, instincual qualities attached to the NNode? The "challenge" of NNode seems confusing when associated with a personal security planet??
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Hi Howl,

I am not too sure if you look at the Nodes ruling planet because the Node is not a planet.

Hope this helps

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Hey Howl,

Here is the explanation of North Node in Cancer 1st House/South Node in Capricorn 7th House

by Kevin Burk (Can't you tell I have been buying Astrology books. )

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With your South Node in Capricorn in the 7th house, you will encounter your South Node gifts of ambition, responsibility, and self-reliance through your relationships. One of the challenges of the 7th house, however, is that we tend to give away planets in this house, projecting them on others. You may feel you lack the Capricorn qualities, and therefore you tend to attract people into your life who embody them. Until you are able to accept the gifts of the South Node in Capricorn as being part of you, you will experiance and encounter them through your relationships. You may feel you lack the ability to be grounded, and responsible, and therefore you tend to attract and be attracted to people who embody these qualities. This can manifest as partners who are controlling and authoritarian, who seem emotionally distant, and who are rigid in their agenda. You must learn to recognize that these relationships are meant to teach you to own your South Node in Capricorn and to learn to maintain and establish your own interpersonal boundaries so that you won't have to be limited by those other people. The trap of the South Node in Capricorn in the 7th house is to buy into the illusions of these relationships, and to decide to become entirely self sufficient and not rely on the support of others for any reason; or to go to the opposite extreme and decide you will always need someone to take care of you and as a result never learn to take responsibility for your actions and your relationships.

Working with your North Node in Cancer in the 1st house can help you balance this energy. However we face a similar challenge with planets in the 1st house-while we tend to project the 7th house on others, we tend to overlook planets in the 1st house because they are such a fundamental part of who we are as an individual. With Cancer in your 1st house, you have a tremendous ability to nurture, and an ability and need to connect with others on an emotional level. You must first cultivate a greater awareness of this fact, and then begin to apply it to your relationships. Your partners may always be the ones who provide more of the boundaries and structures in your relationships, but you must learn to focus your ability to share emotional bonds within these relationships. Much of the important give and take in relationships has to do with being able to support and nurture each other on an emotional level. Maintaining an awareness of your South Node in Capricorn gifts can ensure you don't overdo the emotional aspects and become too needy or dependent on your partners, instead, you can discover the appropriate balance between individual responsibility and shared emotional needs.
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:59 PM
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Re: North Node Ascendant

On the Ascendant Howl another possibility to why you might not connect to it is your ruling planet being in Gemini this may colour it somehow. Like me I have a Virgo Ascendant with my ruling planet Mercury in Pisces. Someone else with Virgo rising might have their ruling planet Mercury in Taurus maybe they are likely to be a lot more practical and steady minded than I would be. I read something like this in one of my books I will have to try and find it.

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Old 10-03-2006, 11:10 AM
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Thank you so much, Ray

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With your South Node in Capricorn in the 7th house, you will encounter your South Node gifts of ambition, responsibility, and self-reliance through your relationships
What's confusing me at the moment is that I am experiencing it entirely through my self!! I have never, ever had a committed partner who is a) wealthier b) more "established" c) significantly older d) authoritarian or e) emotionally distant, either. I briefly had one who was "limiting", but that was due to insane jealousy, not really a Capricornian thing. I certainly attract Earthy men, who have more "settled" and "grounded" personalities than I do, but not in any manner that means that they would have control over me. I wouldn't buy it. He goes on to explain:

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The trap of the South Node in Capricorn in the 7th house is to buy into the illusions of these relationships, and to decide to become entirely self sufficient and not rely on the support of others for any reason
Ok this I can see myself doing. I feel that I do quite well on my own, and wouldn't enter a relationship that didn't allow me to BE primarily self sufficient. As long as nobody asks me to "give up" my own direction, compromise is fine. Somehow, I am a large part of the Capricorn in my own 7H.

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or to go to the opposite extreme and decide you will always need someone to take care of you and as a result never learn to take responsibility for your actions and your relationships
Eh, I guess so, in a way, at one point. I wanted to be together with someone who failed to "look after me", and I couldn't believe that they would be so poor at caring for me when I needed it. Seems I spend far more time at the other end of the continuum though. I did doubt, for a few years, that I lacked some of the Capricorn traits that I so wanted to help me realise my ambitions in this life. Ray, that online node book explains the nodes in a way that really fitted for me. They way that you "swing" between the poles over an 18 year cycle has been entirely accurate for me so far. I'm swinging back into Capricorn, so no wonder it feels that I have all the Cappie qualities I need right now all by myelf. I think the following is my challenge:

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With Cancer in your 1st house, you have a tremendous ability to nurture, and an ability and need to connect with others on an emotional level. You must first cultivate a greater awareness of this fact, and then begin to apply it to your relationships
Remembering that I AM a softie an emotional being who needs to share this with others. If I stick with Capricorn, North Node knocks me into next week with emotional responses that I never saw coming!
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Re: North Node Ascendant

Hey Howl,

I think when reading his interpretation on the Nodes you have to keep in mind your own chart too and sort of synthesise it together. Like my South Node is much easier to fall into because I have three personal planets in my 7th house.

I was just looking at your chart to see the relationship theme:

SN Capricorn 7th
Venus Aquarius
Venus sextile Uranus
Uranus in 5th
Saturn in Libra
Pluto in Libra
Venus square Pluto
Moon opposed Uranus

This does highlight the independent theme in your relationships. With all the Uranian energy linked to romance.

Also you have your part of fortune in the 7th, do give that away too. I have my POF in my 1st house.

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...Starting to feel like I have a personality disorder. I spend all this time convincing you of my emotional depth in one thread, and then explaining to you how I'm perfectly capable of Capricorn in another. Argh! This is what I mean by losing the grip on my chart. All the pieces are going into their corners Thanks for bringing some of them back together for me. So I guess my love of personal independence means that I'm more likely to "have" Capricorn in relationships by being cautious myself, and being my own Capricorn, rather than asking someone else to be it for me, even though both Cappie and South Node are in the house where you tend to give things away. I hoard the things others would give away

Haven't really seen my PoF at work yet, I remain skeptical of its merit

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