Who receives who

[HeyPlayGirl]

okay i read this interp by radu http://www.astrologyweekly.com/weekl...r-marriage.php

and now im so confused!
okay so im going to give AN EXAMPLE.
lets say mars is the querent and venus is the quesited.

if mars is in libra and venus is in cancer that means the VENUS loves mars.
because mars is received by venus since libra is a venus ruled sign...am i right??

i always thought it was opposite. skyscirpt was saying if the 7th house ruler is in the first then it means they were the keen ones..but its opposite...because if the quesited is in the querent's ruled sign then it means they are loved by the QUERENT because the qeurent "receives" them....okay am i right??

[HeyPlayGirl]

here is a chart i just did

so the querent loves the quesited in this chart. (i thought it was opposite!) i thought because since moon is in the sign of saturns dignity that meant the moon loved saturn but no its saturn who loves the moon because saturn receives the moon in the sign of their dignity

or am i confused?

[DiDi]

i always thought it was opposite. skyscirpt was saying if the 7th house ruler is in the first then it means they were the keen ones..but its opposite...because if the quesited is in the querent's ruled sign then it means they are loved by the QUERENT because the qeurent "receives" them....okay am i right??

no its like this... whom evers ruler is in the other persons asc loves them more.... so if you were libra and they in the 7th (their 1st) were mars
and you found venus in the 7th means you love them more...

skyscirpt was saying if the 7th house ruler is in the first then it means they were the keen ones

this is true

[HeyPlayGirl]

thanks didi

[dr. farr]

Traditionally for reception there must also be an aspect (any kind of aspect) between the planets involved; without this the condition is (or was) called "generosity", which was held to be different than reception. Ibn Ezra ("Beginning of Wisdom") goes into this subject at some length; see also Masha'alah's "On Reception" (in the tradition I follow in horary reception plays no delineative role-but that's another matter!)

[HeyPlayGirl]

i seem to lean more towards the "traditional" view on this i think

okay i will keep in mind that they need to aspect, and i wont put SO much emphasis on it. i know there are other thigns to consider
thank you again dr. farr!!

[Serendipity]

I asked the same thing for a long time.
I don't follow Frawley which in this case would mean that Venus loves Mars since she's in Scorpio.
I would say that Mars is the host of Venus since she's under his rulership. How does Venus feel about Mars? Well he's in the sign of her detriment so not so great.
drfarr is right and for true reception to occur there should be an aspect as well as the significators being in the other's dignities.
Let's say you have the Moon in Aries sextile to Venus in Gemini. Moon is applying to Venus but it's coming at her from a sign where she'd be in detriment. Would Venus be open to receiving the Moon?

skyscirpt was saying if the 7th house ruler is in the first then it means they were the keen ones..but its opposite...because if the quesited is in the querent's ruled sign then it means they are loved by the QUERENT because the qeurent "receives" them....okay am i right??

Don't worry so much about this right now. Figure out how you want to do reception first.

[HeyPlayGirl]

thanks serendipity i tend to lean more towards the traditional view on reception now
thanks

[Serendipity]

HeyPlayGirl, here's something I took off skyscript as far as reception goes.

RECEPTION.
When a planet aspects the ruler of the sign it is in, or the ruler by exaltation, or by two of the minor dignities of term, triplicity, or face, the ruler of the dignity is said to be giving that planet a reception. For example, if Venus aspects Mars from Aries, Mars is 'receiving' Venus into his sign of rulership and therefore gives her a reception. To be received, or to be given a reception, is akin to being 'accepted' or attended to. Authors have likened Venus's position to that of a guest who is accorded the honorable respect that a host would extend to visitors. In this position Venus gains the attention of Mars and is well placed to take advantage of what he has to offer. She can draw from his strength, and if he is generally destructive she need be less fearful of the prospect of him turning his destructive potential upon her - as a host, his duty is to cater to her needs and to safeguard her interests whilst she is under his protection.

[BobZemco]

I really hate those definitions. Sometimes they aren't very clear.

Also some of the older astrologers reject reception by Triplicity/Term and Triplicity/Face. They say it has to be Triplicity/Term/Face.

I do consider reception by Term and Face, or by Term or Face. It gives me insight into what is going on. For example, the chart might say "NO" but both significators are in Mutual Reception by Term or by Face, and that tells me both parties were willing or interested or wanted to do whatever, but that the time was wrong, the circumstances were wrong, the place was wrong, maybe they didn't have enough money, or enough time, or they needed help from someone else and didn't get it, or someone else refused to help, or doesn't know their help is needed, or one of the significators lacks the knowledge or education to really make it happen or whatever and you can often see that by Sign and House placement of the Significators.

[barbh]

Serendipity,

I get that Venus in Aries is in the rulership of Mars, so in other words Mars receives Venus by rulership. But I'm not completely convinced about how Mars really feels about Venus. You said that

Venus gains the attention of Mars and is well placed to take advantage of what he has to offer. She can draw from his strength, and if he is generally destructive she need be less fearful of the prospect of him turning his destructive potential upon her - as a host, his duty is to cater to her needs and to safeguard her interests whilst she is under his protection.

which sounds good, but does it not completely depend on what sign Mars is in? What if Mars were also in Aries....in that case, Venus is in the detriment of Mars....Mars does not love Venus at all. In fact, Mars is receiving Venus into her detriment, so he wouldn't be a very accommodating host!

So, why do they say that when it depends on the sign of the other player?

barbh

[Serendipity]

What I posted was from skyscript, not my own words.

What if Mars were also in Aries....in that case, Venus is in the detriment of Mars....Mars does not love Venus at all. In fact, Mars is receiving Venus into her detriment, so he wouldn't be a very accommodating host!

There are a few schools of thought on reception.
As to what you wrote I would say that Mars receives Venus being that she is under his domicile. He is the host and will accomodate her, he will not harm her. Venus is not so receptive to Mars being that Mars is in the sign of her detriment.

[scorpioontherun]

So in the chart attached, which is not good since moon in detriment, even if venus is in detriment in scorpio is less bad because they are sextiling and mars about to be received by terms from venus (first degrees of capricorn) making it some kind of mutual reception?
I say it is bad because it was a question about an evolution of a relationship (not mine for a change) and since moon is the action ...
Scorpio

[scorpioontherun]

Thans olivia, so in "my" mars receives venus in his sign but cannot be received back by term since venus is in detriment? So mars loves venus but venus does not love mars back. So first grade I know but taking baby steps here.

[Pan]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Traditionally for reception there must also be an aspect (any kind of aspect) between the planets involved; without this the condition is (or was) called "generosity", which was held to be different than reception. Ibn Ezra ("Beginning of Wisdom") goes into this subject at some length; see also Masha'alah's "On Reception" (in the tradition I follow in horary reception plays no delineative role-but that's another matter!)

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Lucky for me to read your thread “HeyPlayGirl” because I found something so confuse in a chart regarding your thread, I’m trying to learn. Please anyone help me.
In my case;
1) The 1st sig. of quesited not receives the 1st sig. of qeurent by sign but by aspect (sextile aspect)
2) The 1st sig. of quesited receives the 2nd sig. of qeurent by sign and also by aspect (Square aspect)
3) The 1st sig. of qeurent and the 2nd sig. of questied are conjunct in the same sign and house (Sagittarius in 5th house)
I couldn’t confirm my interpretation if the quesited will receive the qeurent well, pls anyone give me some advises. Thank you in advance.

[tikana]

Olivia

how do you feel about Saturn / Sun sextile that is coming up today/tomorrow?

thanks
T

[Arijana]

To add,there are a lot of good horary charts in the relations section,with updates on what's going on etc. so I would advise those of you who ask questions to follow up on them,like Ray Austin nicely put about the Mercury square,it doesn't nececarily have to signify a shouting mach, but '' not communicated with whomever for a while'' which is true if you look at some of the charts,in a chart I recently saw the guy was angry at his fiance and avoided to speak to her for a while hence the square. so,live examples,the best learning two

as for no aspecting....I agree it's not good,but hey,most relationships are like that though, one more ''fond'' ( or code=in despair ) while the other one keeps it together,so to speak ( doesn't mean he is less fond,just more in control of his/her emotions )

[tikana]

Originally Posted by Olivia

The same way I've been interpreting every horary here within the past several days where those two are signifiers, Tik. Sun is attracted to, but damaged by Saturn, because Saturn is in the Sun's fall.

Thank you dear!

[scorpittarian]

we all agree that Lord of the first(querent's sig) in the 7th indicates that the querent is the more ardent of the two & vice-versa.

similarly,the querent's significator in the quesited's sign(or any of their essential dignities) should mean that the querent is the one who's interested & not the other way around.

what am i doing in ur house if i wasn't interested?...
it's upto u whether u want to welcome me or kick me out.

in the first horary chart i cast, i was the moon/mars(aries) & my partner ws venus(libra). the moon(my co-sig) was in libra(his domicile) in his 12th. none of his sigs were in any of my essential dignities which meant he hd no interest in me while i was crazy about him which later turned out to true.

john frawley's technique hs always worked for me!
mercury in sagittarius loves jupiter & not the other way around.

[RayAustin]

Originally Posted by scorpittarian

john frawley's technique hs always worked for me!
mercury in sagittarius loves jupiter & not the other way around.

Sigh .. that technique has been around hundreds if not thousands of years before John Frawley. It irks me that he's claiming it? If he isn't, don't give him credit for something he didn't come up with ( sorry, stuff like that really bothers me ).

R.a.