Specificity in 2012

[Mark]

This may have been mentioned somewhere before, but I haven't found it, so I'll ask here. I've heard astronomers say that there will be no occultation of the Sagittarius A* (Galactic Center) by the Sun in 2012. I've looked into the matter a bit on my own and it seems that they are right. There will be no occultation of the SgrA* any time soon (at least by the Sun), as it is about 5.6 degrees off the ecliptic and will take a very long time to wheel into place for an astronomical alignment.

As far as longitudinal aspects are concerned, I've checked with software I've written myself and it seems that the Swiss Ephemeris foretells the closest conjunction (0 degree separation in longitude, about 5.6 degrees in latitude) between the SgrA* and the Sun will take place right about 1pm UTC on December 18, 2012. My desktop planetarium (kstars) confirms. The conjunction will have been separating for three days by December 21. So... what exactly is supposed to happen on December 21? Does anyone have differing information from mine?

[dhundhun]

Originally Posted by Mark

This may have been mentioned somewhere before, but I haven't found it, so I'll ask here. I've heard astronomers say that there will be no occultation of the Sagittarius A* (Galactic Center) by the Sun in 2012. I've looked into the matter a bit on my own and it seems that they are right. There will be no occultation of the SgrA* any time soon (at least by the Sun), as it is about 5.6 degrees off the ecliptic and will take a very long time to wheel into place for an astronomical alignment.

As far as longitudinal aspects are concerned, I've checked with software I've written myself and it seems that the Swiss Ephemeris foretells the closest conjunction (0 degree separation in longitude, about 5.6 degrees in latitude) between the SgrA* and the Sun will take place right about 1pm UTC on December 18, 2012. My desktop planetarium (kstars) confirms. The conjunction will have been separating for three days by December 21. So... what exactly is supposed to happen on December 21? Does anyone have differing information from mine?

This event is not related to Solar System. The event being talked is related to Galactic alignment of Center of Galaxy (Dark Rift), Sun and Earth. The occultation happens every 25,800 years.

http://emergent-culture.com/wp-conte...-21-2012-2.jpg


Because of size of Earth and Sun, this happens for about 30 years. Every year, it is happening on (around) Dec 21. It has started about 15 years ago. The closest alignment will happen in 2012. After 2012 also, it will happen every years for about 15 years.

The 25800 is related to cycle of Astrological Age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age




And this happens in 13th sign of Zodic called Ochiuchus (http://simostronomy.blogspot.com/201...of-zodiac.html). Now, since we are moving away from 12 sign of Western Astrology, I would stop diuscussing further.

[Mark]

That's the thing. I've got two pieces of software, both trustworthy, telling me that there will NOT be an occultation. There will be, measured centre-to-centre, about a 5.6 degree separation even at the closest conjunction in 2012. The rift at the galactic core is passed every single year and there doesn't seem to be much different about 2012. Is that as close as the Sun will ever appear to the SgrA* from Earth?

What makes 2012 so different from 2011 or 2013? All the same pieces are performing all the same movements and there doesn't seem to be much special about it. I don't know what astronomical or astrological thing is supposed to occur out of the ordinary in 2012.

I wouldn't mind hearing more about a 13 sign zodiac. I've heard that's supposed to be important and I know little about why.

[dhundhun]

Originally Posted by Mark

...What makes 2012 so different from 2011 or 2013?...

It is sort of day/night. Dooms day explanation is that there would be sudden change in Earth's magnetic polarity, north becomes south and south becomes north.

The changes in magnetic axis of Earth is a scientific fact. It uesd to happen few miles a year. I don't remember sources, but recentely it is observed at a rate of over 50 miles a year.

There are 8-10 different theories of dooms day. This theory believes that there will be a swift change of 180 degrees, which is is about 12,500 miles. This is like day becomes night and night becomes day. This is like ParFortuna changes in Horoscope (the moment Sun rises or sets).

I had impression that there would be occultation. Thanks for correcting, that there is no occultation.

[Mark]

I've had classes with a very good geologist who has had tenure at my school for something like 30 years, so I'm at least a little familiar with the magnetic properties of Earth. I don't know the rate, but you're right that there is a constant circular drift of the magnetic poles. There is also plenty of rock evidence to say that Earth's poles have flipped (reversed positions) a good number of times and actually do so commonly. The flips aren't very regular, but they can be expected to happen every so often and the spans between them are on the order of only 100,000's of years. So, all of that stuff is scientifically valid, but is there a clear line of thinking that connects it to December of 2012?

Someone, somewhere started the claim that the Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012. I've done only a little reading on it, but what I've found is a few authorities on Mayan culture and timekeeping who say that the calendar ending in 2012 is rather a loose guess than a hard fact.

Here's what I've found so far:
1. Modern Mayan descendants do not believe the world ends in 2012.
2. Modern authorities on the ancient Maya agree with them.
3. The conjunction that is for some reason feared happens on the 18th, not the 21st.
4. The ancient Mayans themselves made many predictions for dates after 2012.

I have a few other arguments against the idea that 2012 will be the end of our world, but it has sadly become nearly impossible to conduct real research on that particular date due to the throngs of cowards wailing, the droves of salesmen making money on it, and the confused just trying to ask questions about it. A great many people paying attention to something actually removes clarity. Any other thoughts?

[flea]

I didn't think that anyone was taking the date seriously as the end of the world just the end of an world age, when another begins....the age of aquarius??

FleaXX

[dr. farr]

Know where first thoughts about 2012 came from? They came from an intepretation of what the alchemist Fulcanelli wrote about the implications of the symbolism of the Cross of Hendaye back in the 1940's (in an appendix to his work, "Mystery of the Cathedrals") Alchemists ALWAYS cover their meaning with symbols, so that penetration of their insights is blocked except to those who have the keys to understand. It is clear (from these original alchemical sources) that 2012 marks a change in subtle energetic flows, making certain processes that had been very difficult, if not impossible, over the past few thousands years, easier (or more possible), after that date (2012), due to an "opening up" of access to certain subtle energies because of certain geocentrically considered cosmic alignments. None of this has anything to do with the end of time or of the world or of an astrological age, or anything else like that. It relates exclusively to (certain) subtle energies and their modulations and availabilities-and is of use only to those who know about these energies, and what is supposed to be done (or accomplished) with or through them...

[Ebenia]

Maya's did believe that the world will end AS WE KNOW IT. It does not mean that the world will end, but the time that we are now living, will end somehow. This can happen in many ways.

Why this thing will be so interesting to many people, is that they have no idea what world would be like if it weren't the world that we are now living in. They cannot even imagine it and they don't think about it. That's why it's going to be a surprise. But it is all good.

The dimension that world is in, will change. It is happening all over the Milky Way galaxy. All the planets are going through similar changes.

Dr. Farr knows what he is talking about.

I suggest that if you are really interested in planet alignment on 2012 and other things concerning this, take a look on David Wilcocks work. This will get you started;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8613711060908#

Very interesting stuff!

[Mark]

dr. farr: It's ambiguous, but plausible. I like it. Is there a chance you might be a bit more specific about the nature of the subtle changes? It seems like a change that someone observant will notice. That's what they're meant to be, as I understand it.

Ebenia: May I ask what it is exactly that you mean by "dimension?"

I think the problem socially is that there are many people always looking for the end of the world. It seems to be another Y2K. Think there's any astrological significance to the fact that it's 12 (practically 13) years later?

[flea]

dr. farr
This seems to make quite a bit of sense to me from my own experiences in the last few years. Though I am no expert or initiate in these matters I have found that my intuitive capacity has grown and my ability to sense and feel energies that connect me to the earth and to other people have been becoming more apparent. I keep noting that Percy Seymour postulated that the astrological effects are by way of magnetic forces.....and this does seem to be part of the healing energies I have come across through healers I have seen. I recall Barbara Hand Clow in one of her books talking about magnetised thought forms, how relevant this is I am not sure.

FleaXX

[Ebenia]

Mark, what I mean with dimension change, it is very well said in the Enigma - conference video that I linked. But also, it means the things that flea in her post said that she has noticed. This will be happening in a big way to all people and more interesting way.

This is so big subject and it covers the whole idea why we are here etc, so I will just say that if you are interested in 2012 and it's scientific proof, in physics, in mathematics, in astrology etc, then you should definitely watch that video clip and if you get more interested, then search for more information. There is a lot of it.

It's not anything at all something like the 2012 movie, where everything collapses and there is doom and gloom. No no. And even if that would happen, it is half of the story.

[Mark]

I intentionally never saw that movie! Please pay $10 to come watch some things that will never happen, some of which aren't even possible, but they're scary. I would think that the movie 2012 did for the actual coming date what the Passion of the Christ did for the crucifixion of Jesus: leave out the important and uplifting parts, display acts of insane destruction, and make a boatload of money off of it. Hooray for capitalism, eh?

I'll have to reboot into Windows *gag* to watch that video because Google doesn't care about backward compatibility when they could just use the newest players. So, I'll get back to you on that.

Further, it is one of my goals to expound on these things publicly. Now is the time in world events when all of it should be put forth to the masses without reservation. The Truth must be told by someone. I believe there are certain changes coming that will be of the nature being discussed, although I'm not sure about the scheduling part. Now is the time when all of the why's and how's should be explained simply and repeatedly. Secrecy is a veil that is no longer needed nor can it be afforded at this time.

[Ebenia]

Exactly Mark! Great words! That is exactly what many people are trying to do now. First when I found out about the truth, it was horrifying and quite devastating (and this is mostly about the situation that we are NOW living in). Compared to that, everything that will happen on 2012 will be a bliss.

There is really much information about 2012 out there, relevant and scientifically proven things and also things that resonate with one's soul. And that is rare in this world.

I only say to you that good luck with your journey to the awarness and knowledge! It is a journey and very interesting one.

[Mark]

I've often had the feeling that other people feel the same way about Armageddon as I feel about daily life. :P