Interpreting a Yod

[Kenoshamaensa]

I've been doing natal astrology not quite 20 years, and generally feel that I have a handle on my own birthchart. I can explain how various aspects and aspect patterns in my chart work themselves out in my life -- except for this bloody YOD. I have never quite got a handle on it, and have never quite found an explanation that made sense to me.

The yod involves a sextile of Moon and Saturn with the Sun at the apex. Moon is 2nd house Aries, Saturn is 12th house Aquarius, and the Sun is 7th house Libra. This has come up again as a point of interest as this summer, the Grand Square in the sky has affected my sun (and this yod), and an astrologer friend warned me, "Watch out for this summer! Something big will happen!" Well, er ... nada. Actually, nothing much good happened at all, but many things fell through (couldn't sell my house, couldn't sell my book, etc.) Saturn has been conjunct my natal sun as part of that T-square, and I have managed to lose weight. *grin* I do realize transiting Saturn can be limiting on the self. But Jupiter and Uranus have been hitting the Sun opposition trigger point of the yod, as well, and I'm not sure what to make of that ... largely because I've never been sure what to make of the yod in the first place. Thus, I'm not really certain what sorts of things might manifest when it's triggered.

And yes, I realize this question involves both natal aspects and transits, but I'm particularly interested in what insights anyone can offer regarding how that yod in my natal chart might work itself out, hence putting the question here.

Below is a link to an image of my whole chart, for convenience. (And yes, I do have a very FULL 7th house! *grin*)

http://a.imageshack.us/img641/5695/charti.gif

[BobZemco]

Originally Posted by Kenoshamaensa

I've been doing natal astrology not quite 20 years, and generally feel that I have a handle on my own birthchart. I can explain how various aspects and aspect patterns in my chart work themselves out in my life -- except for this bloody YOD.

Don't feel bad; I started in 1986 and I don't get it either.

Originally Posted by Kenoshamaensa

IThe yod involves a sextile of Moon and Saturn with the Sun at the apex. Moon is 2nd house Aries, Saturn is 12th house Aquarius, and the Sun is 7th house Libra.

Saturn is well within 5° of the 1st House Cusp and I would consider Saturn to be in the 1st House when delineating the chart.

I've looked at those for a long time and I've come to believe that while they might look cool in a chart, they don't really mean a whole lot. The quincunx in and of itself is not a very powerful aspect. It just indicates small adjustments or becoming aware of something physically or mentally. With the Moon and Sun, plus Saturn ruling your 12th House, I think anything that triggers the Yod is going to be on the mental plane and not something that physically happens to you or something that you can physically see or grasp, maybe you change the way you see others or maybe you become aware of how you see others or something like that.

[Kenoshamaensa]

Originally Posted by BobZemco

Don't feel bad; I started in 1986 and I don't get it either.

*grin* I'm glad I'm not the only one. I once had an astrologer friend make much of the yod; she told me it wold cause things to feel "fated" in my life -- but I've never found this to be the case. I do get the way the inconjuncts function, and the sextile, but I've never felt they functioned *as a unit* all that much, certainly not in terms of "fated" events.

I may have been prejudiced to expect more than it delivers.

Originally Posted by BobZemco

Saturn is well within 5° of the 1st House Cusp and I would consider Saturn to be in the 1st House when delineating the chart.

I found that interesting, and would concur. Although (fortunately for me) I seem to experience mostly the positive aspects of Saturn here, as it's in Aquarius even if at the 29th degree. I've had "Poor you!" remarks about having Saturn on my ascendant, but it's really not been that awful.

Thanks for the feedback.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Kenoshamaensa

this bloody YOD. I have never quite got a handle on it, and have never quite found an explanation that made sense to me......................................

Actually, nothing much good happened at all, but many things fell through (couldn't sell my house, couldn't sell my book, etc.) Saturn has been conjunct my natal sun as part of that T-square, and I have managed to lose weight. *grin* I do realize transiting Saturn can be limiting on the self. But Jupiter and Uranus have been hitting the Sun opposition trigger point of the yod, as well, and I'm not sure what to make of that ... largely because I've never been sure what to make of the yod in the first place. Thus, I'm not really certain what sorts of things might manifest when it's triggered.

Kenoshamaensa - welcome to Yod-land (and I'm not sure where it is, how it manifests, or whether I am even there in the first place.... or even if it exists at all!!!)

I would say that the section of the above quote I have emboldened pretty much describes what can happen when a Yod is activated. Things get frustratingly held up, and waiting is required, as timing is everything. Have you read Karen Hamaker-Zondag's The Yod Book? Yods were a total mystery to me until I read that, and now they are only a partial mystery.

This (rather lengthy) thread may help a little. Those of us who partook were energised by the discussion:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...teristics+Yods

Yods tend to create tests of character when activated by transit/progression. Transits of the outer planets are the hardest, as they take the longest time. In observing many people who have undergone Yod activation the tests seem to be to do with having to stay on track, on task, to be patient, and to be truthful/honest. Taking short-cuts seems to be a risk not worth taking. Yods in synastry are more interesting again, perhaps because the relationship itself is what is being tested.

Just looking quickly at your chart, the activation of your Sun early in Libra would have resonance in the houses/areas of rulership of the 3 Yod planets - 11th, 5th & 6th. The true purpose/nature of Yod activation is only clearly seen in retrospect.

PS: Forum member EJ53 has an excellent grasp on Yod analysis. I'm sure he'll chime in here eventually.

[Kenoshamaensa]

I have not read that book, but I'm familiar with her work. I have her book on aspects (Aspects and Personality), which I find to be one of the more insightful/useful texts I've read on really understanding natal aspects. So I will have to look into that! Thank you! (And thanks for the link as well, I'll bop over and read that thread.)

Thinking of them as "holding up" makes a certain sense, actually. I was EXTREMELY frustrated earlier this summer, as I'd had several things I'd been planning to do, had planned and prepared for ... and NONE of it went anywhere. There were often explanations (couldn't sell the house because of the economy and the fact I wasn't desperate enough to lower the price for the buyer's market, etc.), but it felt (and feels) like the Summer of Futility. Ha. Not just one thing didn't happen, but several things.

[EJ53]

This Yod links with Mars, to form a bathtub configuration ( http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...1&postcount=25 ).

That probably makes it harder to feel the Yod effects of transits to Sun/Moon/Saturn...as these simultaneously activate the more strongly felt square and sextiles of the bathtub.

However, Kenoshamaensa...the meaning/interpretation of both the Yod and Bathtub depends heavily upon the individual meanings of sun, moon, mars and saturn in your natal chart...which you've been experiencing now for some 45+ years in all (and for 20 years as an astrology student)...culminating in your current handle/sound understanding of the astrological indicators...

...So...if you can give us your take/handle on how to interpret these four natal planets, that might help us to understand the meaning of your Yod.

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[Kenoshamaensa]

Good question. I hadn't thought about the "bathtub." Let me answer your question in pieces, as the pieces are clearer to me than the whole picture in this particular case.

Sun-Saturn inconjunct. For the most part, Saturn is a positive influence for me despite the fact it's sitting on my asc and some people assume I must have had a rough childhood, etc. I actually didn't, or not in the traditional sense, but then Saturn traditionally rules and is dignified in Aquarius, so it tends to work more positively for me overall ... except for the inconjunct. When that gets triggered, I can be my own worst critic and I'm not always certain if my evaluations are honest if not pretty, or hypercritical. I'm very aware that sometimes we don't want to hear the "bad stuff" about ourselves, even while conversely, we can be overly harsh ... so that's the flux of the inconjunct there. Which is it? Honesty or over-criticism?

Saturn is technically in my 12th house, although I've had astrologers want to read it as 1st house due to the conjunction (and sometimes read it so myself) ... but that's not entirely true. It feels to me as if it has as many 12th house manifestations as 1st house ones, so I think it's a mistake to treat it purely as a 1st house Saturn. There's a "behind the scenes" altruistic-Pisces aspect to how it functions that is very 12th house. Yet the hypercritical aspects of Saturn here can make me find it difficult to believe I'm attractive to others/a valuable friend (7th house sun). Although I think 1st house Chiron has a lot to do with that ... to complicate the whole thing, I have a 1st house Chiron in Pisces that I'm VERY aware of, maybe more than average for Chiron. The 7th house sun gives me a strong drive/need for a partner ... be it a marriage partner or best friend or someone, but the 12th house Saturn undermines that, making me feel I'm the seeker, not the sought-after.

I find it very ... arrogant? ... to assume that I should necessarily matter to someone else. That sounds harsher than I mean it. This is both the air-Libra sun and Aquarius Saturn talking ... there are approaching 7-billion people on the planet. To assume that any individual has a "right" to special attention is unfair. To be loved is a privilege and blessing, not a right, but at the same time, to matter to others is a deep human desire. That's the stress of that inconjunct. (And it pretty well epitomizes the houses involved, too.) I want to matter to a particular someone, but don't always feel that I should expect it, or deserve it. I want to be "the chosen," but question it when it happens.

(Sorry for the long explanation, sometimes articulating a complicated thought is ... complicated. Ha.)

Sun-Moon inconjunct. Expressing negative emotions is the problem here. Head-Libra-sun is at war with gut-Aries-moon. I don't cry in front of people, although most people who know me would call me cheerful, enthusiastic, energetic (there's your Sun-Mars sextile) ... but revealing *negative* emotion feels both imposing and weak. I once had a counseling teacher/advisor warn me, "You're not amputated at the neck, you know." I thought it a pretty good summary of this.

A bit of this is culture. I'm a partblood American Indian, and in native culture, we're taught NOT to share our negative feelings with others/strangers because they have enough of their own to carry. It's RUDE to "impose" your bad day on someone else. So I recognize there is a large cultural component in this, but I seem to have internalized it to an unhealthy degree. :-D I sometimes want people to read my mind and KNOW what I'm feeling. Ha. But the need to be fair (Libra sun) is at war with a basically energetic/enthusiastic emotional nature (Aries moon). Sometimes I come off as reserved (reinforced by rising Saturn), but this isn't a constant. As noted above, I can just as often be called "enthusiastic" (that adjective shows up a lot on student evaluations of my teaching -- which owes a lot to Sun-Mars, but also to Aries Moon).

Moon-Mars square ... I have the classic short temper, but also short memory of the short temper. Fight, then bury the hatchet. It's a problem, but after 45 years, it's not usually that disruptive. I rarely get myself in serious hot water owing to the tendency. :-)

Sun-Mars sextile ... aside from what I noted above already, mostly this has given me good physical health (with help from the Sun-Jupiter trine), and steady energy when it comes to work. I can be lazy, but will buckle down when required.

The fact my 7th house Sun is involved in this Yod is part of why I come back to poke at it periodically, trying to get a handle on it, as I suspect it's fairly crucial to understanding the Sun energy in my chart, as well as the fact, it's *slippery* and full understanding of how it works seems to elude me. (Maybe that's part of the point of a yod? It makes you search?)

I've been going through the topic Raven mentioned above (which I noticed you also posted to). I find several things from H-Z's book there that ring true (and of course, some that don't). I'm going to puzzle over it for a bit and perhaps comment there, as well, when I've been able to assimilate a little more.

But at least the above gives some reply to your question about how I experience the various energies involved.

[Vinyasa]

Originally Posted by Kenoshamaensa

I can explain how various aspects and aspect patterns in my chart work themselves out in my life -- except for this bloody YOD. I have never quite got a handle on it, and have never quite found an explanation that made sense to me.

Hello Kenoshamaensa, here is a small welcome for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Be3wFQfYCM


I was wondering what is your explanation about Lilith conjuncting your SN, close to oppose your Draconic Sun. Moreover, how you understand your radical Sun conjuncting your Dr.Lilith.

I am looking forward to reading your comments.

Vinyasa

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by Kenoshamaensa

...Sun-Saturn inconjunct...Sun-Moon inconjunct....Moon-Mars square...Sun-Mars sextile...gives some reply to your question about how I experience the various energies involve

Interestingly though, it doesn't tell me how you experience Moon-Saturn sextile..the "comfort zone" of the Yod (which the Sun is questioning).

[I have to log-off now until tomorrow...but can I ask which planet you regard as the ruler of your chart (and why), Kenoshamaensa?]

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[Kenoshamaensa]

EJ - Oops, sorry, I missed that aspect. Ha.

<b>Moon-Saturn Sextile</b> -- I'd say I experience it largely as emotional equilibrium. I'm emotionally content (most) of the time. My ex-, however, developed depression as he aged (after I married him), and I found that draining (that may, now that I think about it, be one expression of the yod that I never before considered, give the sun's placement in the 7th house). If I marry again (something I'm uncertain of but would like), emotional equilibrium in the partner is important. ;> Also, I was a counselor for a while, but deal better with the research aspects of psychology than the clinical. Some people crave high-intensity emotions and don't feel fully alive without them. That's definitely not me. Ha. Emotional equilibrium is important to me; I'll take my intensity (Pluto) on the intellectual plane (conjunct Mercury). *grin*

As for chart ruler ... good question. I have a locomotive chart, so I'd normally say Saturn as the leading planet, and Saturn IS very strong, no question. Mostly, as mentioned, I experience its energy positively.

But in terms of true POWER ruling the chart, I'd say it's the Mercury-Pluto combo in 7th house Virgo. Uranus is in that too, but the conjunction isn't as close. I think the Mercury-Pluto-in-Virgo combination trumps everything else in my chart. Saturn may be a buffalo, but Mercury-Pluto is a blue whale. :-D

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Vinyasa -- First, thank you for the video link! Byzantines! Now there's an interesting bunch. There is a novel written by a friend/acquaintance of my mine called JUSTINIAN that's quite good.

Anyway, as for Lilith, I'm aware of it, but it's not something I've studied in great detail. I tend to see the nodal energy as being about directions -- where we've been and where we're going -- so I pay more attention to houses than signs. Signs are flavor, but nodes move so slowly, it's like signs for the outer planets. I wouldn't *dismiss* it, but I'm more interested in what house it falls in, or what axis, in this case: 4th and 10th. We grow from south node to north, in this case, from my 10th (very public) house to the 4th (very private). I'm comfortable enough in a public/leadership position (always have been), but find it trying. The north node in the 4th combined with the 2nd house moon makes me find a great deal of emotional comfort in the home and with family (even if I have a small family).

I do tend to read nodes as possibly representing previous incarnations (many native people do believe in souls returning if the soul wants to or has unfinished business, although its not automatic), but a friend once suggested something I found interesting about the S. node. She said she thought the S. node might indicate where we had the Sun in our previous life, rather than necessarily the sphere of our activity, per se. It's an area where we're familiar, and the north node, as the opposite, therefore become learning for this life. Obviously, that would be impossible to verify! But I think it an intriguing theory.

Anyway, with Lilith there, I suspect there may have been something unpleasant associated with a previous incarnation involving the public eye that leads to a tendency in this life to seek fulfillment in the private sphere and to avoid more traditional occupations -- or rather, occupations with more traditional work schedules. I could never survive the 9-to-5 world. :-) My students laugh now because they get email from me (about papers or assignments) time-stamped at 2am. They used to assume my computer had the wrong time zone. They now realize that yes, I really am UP (and doing work at that hour), and don't call Dr. R before noon or she'll chew you out for waking her up. LOL! The fact I work as much from home as from an office is also part of that, and there's a VERY old joke about university department heads finding corralling their colleagues a bit like herding cats. ;> All true. Being a professor, or a writer, is very 10th-Sagittarius-Lilith, I think. It's independent and more than a little subversive. ;>

But as noted, this isn't an aspect or influence I've tracked with great focus. I've actually been more aware of the role of Chiron in my chart.

(Although I will say that I find it more interesting that Lilith is part of a grand-trine with the regular moon at the other corner and Saturn at the apex. I'm not sure what that manifests as. I'll have to mull it over.)

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by Kenoshamaensa

...I missed that aspect.

In terms of "subconscious motivations" K, what's interesting is that you missed this particular aspect...the "comfort zone" area of a Yod that you've "never quite got a handle on"...(But, maybe it was indeed just an oversight, rather than any attempt by Saturn to remain "hidden".)

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I think of the chart ruler as being the planet we most identify with...["Chart rulers R us!"]...and, in your case, I'd give that role to Saturn because of it's close proximity to the ascendant degree...[I work on Ascendant Ruler=Chart Ruler, unless there is a first house planet within 5 degrees (or a 12th house planet within 3 degrees) of the ascendant.]

In my opinion...(for which I cannot quote any "evidence", textbook statement or supporting view expressed by another)...we invariably view the chart ruler as working for rather than against us, even if that is not always the case in reality...and that can prevent us from seeing ourselves clearly/as others see us...[Note : I am not saying this does apply to you, K...only that it could...as it's one of those things which only the chart owner can ever know for sure.]

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From the above two comments, it's probably apparent that I think Saturn may not be the positive influence you perceive...holding back/restricting your "Soul development/growth", by providing a security blanket which prevents your Libra/7th house Sun from learning how to shine through relationships....So, that's my basis for interpreting your bathtub and Yod as follows below :-

1. There are two distinct sides to this bathtub...On the one hand, we have a self-assured Leo Mars urging the Libra Sun to "go for it" in relationships, and thus move beyond the (perhaps already learned in previous lifetimes) internal self-development learning of the first six signs (by putting what has been learned into practice, through inter-relating intimately with others)...Whilst, on the other hand, we have an anaretic degree Aquarius Saturn wanting to stay in it's (last lifetime) comfort zone and using the Aries Moon's habitual/subconscious behaviour pattern to achieve that end.

2. Symbolically, the zodiac positions of the three Yod planets tell the story very clearly...Sun at first degree of Libra ("I'm ready to start learning through relationships")...Saturn at last degree of Aquarius (" but, I'm not yet ready to merge myself with others")...Moon in Aries ("because I have a deep-seated need to be aware of myself/separateness")......[Note : The house position of each planet emboldens/emphasises/underlines these three statements.]

3. You are aware/conscious of the Sun/Mars side of the bathtub, urging you to broaden your horizons (qcx facing Sagittarius MC)...but not yet aware of the subconscious Saturn/Moon urge for the safety and security of "what is known/familiar" (square facing IC)......So, your task is to get out of the always warm bathtub and into the sometimes cold world...through embracing the pleasure+pain of relationships.

4. To do this of course, you/the Sun must find a way of reconciling it's aims/needs with the fears of Saturn/Moon...the Yod purpose that (when achieved) will provide you with "knowledge that can be aquired only through experience", which you might then teach/pass on to others.

5. It's through teaching/passing on this "new/evolutionary" knowledge acquired by the apex planet that the Yod becomes "the Finger of God".

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[Vinyasa]

Hello, thank you for your detailed answers and I am glad the song I chose for you reminded you of a nice book: its title was also apt for the day.

Gemini is NN’s exaltation. Have you felt that one of the things you are learning in this life is the art of communicating with the others? That being a professor was the indicated way for sharing not only the knowledge you acquired in this lifetime, but for sharing awareness, for channelling your intellect?

I read with great interest your other post concerning your PhD. I have a feeling that the selection of the theme at which you chose to excel (Sun apex of the Yod) is not irrelevant to what underlies your Sun in draconic terms and in SN terms. For those who have a Yod configuration in their chart, it hunts them: it is often the actual force driving them, producing a constant theme in their life which they have to develop and continuously satisfy, like a finger constantly pointing into a certain direction; and when they deliberately ignore or disregard its power, it makes its presence felt again - even when in the form of a continuous murmur that ends up being deafening.

Draconic Lilith conjuncts your natal Sun; natal Lilith conjuncts your South Node (nodal=karmic axis); your friend says South Node represents past life Sun; natal Lilith is in minor grand trine to Saturn and Moon, who (Saturn) facilitates (or smothers perhaps?) their expression in this lifetime; those two, Saturn and Moon, happen to be the ‘comfort zone’ (as EJ said) of the Yod to the Sun: you see how we turn round and round? Sun-Moon-Saturn-Lilith and much karma in the mix, pointing to Lilith again from both nodal view and from draconic chart view.

Have you ever felt during your study that you were meant to bring to the light (historical) truths concerning condemned, misunderstood sexuality? Perhaps something about the position and role of women before the patriarchy begins? Lilith is supposed to be in fall in Libra: she is not the happy mating, she is the snake in the Garden of Eden; she is our primitive nature before the conception of Egos, of ‘I’ and ‘You’; and - coming back to the words in which you described the central motive of your PhD thesis - yes, she involves religion (the cult of the Great Goddess), sex and death (exaltation in Scorpio) and relationships (not necessarily or predominantly though in their conventional form or understanding).

Vinyasa

[Kenoshamaensa]

A very quick comment to thank you both for your some VERY insightful comments. I have spent my day 1) writing syllabi, 2) ferrying children, and 3) listening to a friend with relationship problems for three house on the phone. Ha. I will try to answer at more length tomorrow, but didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring/blowing off the comments. :-)

[Kenoshamaensa]

All right, finally somewhat able to sit down and give proper thought to a reply.

First, EJ -- I found your comments particularly interesting and insightful about tendencies to hold back into the ease of the (reserved) Moon-Saturn sextile as opposed to the inherent risk of Mars-Sun sextile. IOW, points 2 and 3 are very apt, I think. (And ironically, a lesson I have been working on anyway, so we'll see how 4 and 5 play out.)

Additional observations/feedback, mostly on chart ruler. I'm still inclined to think of Mercury-Pluto in that role only because their effect in my life is, overall, more pervasive and directing. Although as noted, Saturn IS very powerful too, so I'm not sure there is a completely clear answer to ruling planet(s). I do tend to experience both in positive ways (and negative ways, to be fair). Mercury's in its ruling sign and Saturn is exalted, so both are very strong planets anyway, and I think there's little question but that both strongly define/impact how the rest of my chart plays out. :-)

So thanks again for the insight. For the first time, someone's been able to offer a reading of that yod that I grasp and makes sense. (And of course, as we age we uncover more and more about our own charts anyway.) I very much appreciate you taking the time to mull it over, and it's helpful learning for me, too, beyond the personal. As looking at yods in the charts of others has frequently eluded me as well, in part because of my lack of clarity about my own.
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Vinyasa -- You asked:

"Gemini is NN’s exaltation. Have you felt that one of the things you are learning in this life is the art of communicating with the others? That being a professor was the indicated way for sharing not only the knowledge you acquired in this lifetime, but for sharing awareness, for channelling your intellect?"

I wanted to start here as I think this gets at one of the reasons I'm a little more inclined to see the 7th house-Virgo Mercury-Pluto (both in opposition incidently to 1st house Chiron in Pisces) as the ruling planet(s) in my chart, even more than Saturn. Although as I was telling EJ, both are very strong. But although you mentioned NN in Gemini, this is also related to Mercury-Pluto.

I mentioned in a different thread that I "study things to death," which was apt on several levels. Pluto is "transformative" in my studies. I become intensely interested in a topic, learn all I can about that topic, then (eventually) lose interest and move on. I may circle back to it later, but not necessarily ... but what this DOES allows for the incorporation of what I've learned. I've had people remark before something along the lines of, "How do you know so much about all these different things?!" Pluto is how. I don't learn things half-way, but the "shadow" side of that is a strange depth of knowledge versus virtual LACK. If I'm not interested, I'm not interested and no amount of coralling works. Telling me, "You ought to look into/study ..." is more likely to result in Plutonian resistance.

I don't dabble. So I know a lot about a wide variety of sometimes apparently unconnected things, but that can be deceptive, because there can be complete wastelands in others areas.

BUT, how that relates I think, and where the energy of that minor grand trine is felt, is that the knowledge gained is often used in EITHER writing fiction OR teaching. Mercury rules BOTH Virgo AND Gemini, and Virgo Mercury wants pragmatic application ... opposite Chiron in Pisces ... teacher/mentor relating to others (students) ... but that love of teaching and writing* IS all about *communicating*, and look what's on my MC ... Sagittarius the sign manifestation of Chiron. I LOVE teaching, and I LOVE writing. That is who I am.

I put the (*) above because even in writing there is a teaching element. That's "Indi'n Way." Storytellers entertain, but also convey the heart (and wisdom) of the community, and I'm a storyteller from a family of storytellers, and carry on that tradition. There's a belief that in every generation of our family, a storyteller will be born (sometimes more than one, but at least one) to wear the mantle. The storyteller has a sacred duty, for native people. That's not to lessen the enjoyment value at all, and sometimes all a story is meant to do is make people laugh, but even laughter is "strong medicine" for us. Perhaps not "teaching" per se, but release which is necessary. But yes, stories convey lessons and much of native education is done via story. So I write stories that might "mean something," or try. Ergo teacher-storyteller are not really two different "hats" in my book. They're the same thing.

NN there in Gemini, ruled by the Mercury-Pluto conjunction opposition Chiron is (to my mind) highly representative of my chart/self. I'd never considered Lilith there, but I think it does add a lovely shading in terms of recurring themes (or some of them) in both what I study and what stories I tell.

(And while I may not necessarily look at "feminine" energy in history in the most straightforward way, I do look at atypical sexuality (pluto) including male-male pairings in which one of the males played a powerful but more traditionally female role. So yeah, I can see the Lilith aspect of that, certainly!)
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Thanks again to you both for the observations. Very helpful in thinking about things in new ways!