My dream is haunting me !

[Mtl.]

I' ve had a nightmare about my broken wedding ring, is there any real threat to my marriage ? ( dissapointment?)
11:38 Montreal, Canada, 15.08.2006

[freedomlover]

Mtl.,

I was rather intrigued with your post. I work with dream interpretation alot for myself. Marriage dynamics is something I've studied for several years, as well, so I thought I might give it a shot. I don't do horary as some of the others do on this forum. However, I do take a "snapshot" of the astrological "weather" occurring at the time of the question, and somehow come up with a few answers on occasion.

If there was more to your dream, that might be helpful to know. Also, if you could provide a little information about your marriage - just basics, it would help me to get a better picture, as some things can be interpreted several different ways. I think the "snapshot" provided a pretty clear picture, but before I go out on a limb..... Would you mind answering these questions:
How long have you been married?
Do you both work outside of the home, or just him? or just you?
Are either or both of you on some kind of spiritual path or reading/taking classes on improving relationships (Dr. Phil, etc )

I will say that basically,I see issues regarding communication and finances.

Infidelity is not the only reason you would see a broken wedding ring. It can very often just mean that the unity has been lost in the marriage, or that other things (work, friends, things, etc.) have come between you - a separation of some sorts. Very often it can indicate either or both holding resentment, which destroys the unity of the marriage.

I would be happy to go into more detail regarding the astrology of this, at your request, and with a little feedback from you.

freedomlover

[Mtl.]

Thank you Freedomlover for fast reply, actually this is even better for me because I didn't know that dream interpretation could be so meaningful.
Yes I've been preoccupied with our relationship for a months, for a last couple of weeks we are having conversations about our relationship and his admitting that he is kind of depressed and become numb regarding his feeling toward me and our kids, that he tries to get out of it asking me for patience and understanding, in all that I've become suspicious (unfaithfulness?).
Both of us is working outside home, but his work is connected with frequent traveling outside the country.Next week is our 10 th anniversary but we are together for a 17 yrs. No Dr. Phil except that my astrologer told me that I am a bit clairvoyant (second sighted) person

You know only from this answer that you gave me I feel more relaxed , cause a lot can be applied to us in this moment. ". It can very often just mean that the unity has been lost in the marriage, or that other things (work, friends, things, etc.) have come between you - a separation of some sorts."

Maybe this could be important too, we came to live to Canada 5 years ago and now we are thinking of moving somewhere again ( to try find our lost soul's).

Thank you Freedomlover again , hope to hear from you again with maybe something encouraging.

[freedomlover]

Mtl.,

I have so many questions, but don't know where to start. For one thing, I'm not sure how much of this you want publicly posted. Some people don't mind and others are very private. I wish we could talk in person. I really feel that there's something I can help you with, but I just don't know what that is yet.

But anyway..... You said your 10th anniversary is coming up. The number "10" often refers to a new cycle starting. If you don't mind telling me your exact day of wedding anniversary, and the time, too, if you have it, or as near as you can get. That might help to shed some light on this. I think it is very significant that you had the dream as your 10th anniversary was approaching.

Was there any more to the dream, as far as you remembering details? or was it just that you saw a broken wedding ring?

Also, if you want to offer up any detail as to how you two get along, is one of you controlling? are you both happy in your jobs, or are they just a means to the end of getting money? also, are your finances pretty good, or is it an area of great concern? I keep getting something about work/money issues. Do you feel that his current job takes him away from the marriage, almost like the job is his "mistress"? You have a rectangle in the chart of the question, which my understanding is that it is a "door" to be walked through, the way out into a better place.

You also made the remark that you were thinking of moving again "to try to find your lost souls". This speaks to me of spiritual hunger. I sense that this may be why your husband feels the way he does - an overall dissatisfaction with his life - like there's got to be something more. (And you didn't mention how satisfied YOU were with your life.) This is why I asked if either of you were on a spiritual path. And by that, I mean if you have a steady prayer life/ meditation, actively seeking spiritual truth, committed to personal transformation, desiring to be who you were created to be, etc. (or at least some combination of the above.)

Again, communication and finances seems to be the highlight of the chart. I could go into more about the astrological detail, but from my perspective, it would be better saved to later. ( Someone with horary skills, please add your contribution)

However far you want to delve into this is fine with me.

[Summery Joy]

Mtl.,

I'm probably not as good as freedomlover at dream interpretation. However, I do know that your wedding ring in a dream signifies protection from pain and hurt. To see it broken probably reflects your perception of how the emotional security your marriage bond used to provide is threatened.

Astrologically, here's what your horary chart says (assuning that the time your provided was a.m.);

I got the ASC in Libra, the sign of marriage and partnerships. The chart is radical.

Your are signified by Venus while your husband is signified by Mars.

Venus is essentially peregrine, but has major accidental dignity by being in the 10th house in conjunction the MC. It receives Mars by term and anti-receives it by fall.

Mars is is also essentially peregrine, and has some accidental dignity by being in the radix 11th (his turned 5th).

The ruler of your 5th house is in your 1st house, and your significator is applying to it by a square. The 5th house rules lovers outside marriage. Forgive me for asking such rude question, but has any temptation of cheating your husband been challenging you lately?

Also, your husband's significator is in its own turned 5th, and it beholds the ruler of the 5th via collection of light. The Moon is in his turned 1st. The Moon doesn't rule any houses in this chart by sign, but rules his turned 2nd by exaltation. It's also a natural significator of women. A similarly rude question arises, do you think your husband has been challenged by temptations to cheat on you lately?

William Lilly says that the Moon in the 7th house means that the spouse has no lover yet, but it is probable in the future.

William Lilly also says that Jupiter in the 7th house means that the temptation of cheating is difficult to resist. Jupiter is not in the 7th (spouse), but it's the 1st (you). I certainly don't know if I could break Lilly's rules like that, but it just stands out because it's the ruler of your 5th as I mentioned earlier.

However, Venus and Mars do not behold one another by aspects, collection or translation of light. This suggests a no answer to you question "there any real threat to my marriage?"

I think the answer is; no, not yet. You'd better start working on reviving the bond between you and your husband.

[Mtl.]

Thank you once again Fredomlover, maybe you could contact me thru private message at my e-mail directly. The only thing that I could remember about it that I was in such shock and fear when I saw my ring broken on my hand, than I tried to fix it and I think that I did it (as I almost were able to melt the metal again with my hands but not that perfect) Ha, now even for me it looks like a lot of symbolism in it.
Our anniversary is on 24.08 one day before his birthday. We are almost each other’s ideal (from time to time we like to remember that), I feel him as my soul mate and then there are times of a bit of misunderstandings but nothing major. Stable and reliable, so far.
I’m not crazy about his work because his love for work makes me jealous, he is so dedicated and willing to do whatever and whenever. That includes the traveling point also. Sometimes, in recent time I thought of a real mistress form there.
No, I could not say that I’m satisfied with my life this past 5 years, like a lot of thing’s went downfall but we do have our faith and we ARE praying for us and always hoping for a better days. We’re thinking of moving again somewhere where we will be closer to our family. Often I could say for myself that I’m sharing the same mix of emotions like my husband.
You’ve mentioned communication, that’s what’s bothering me – like there is something else that he’s not telling me.
I don’t know, so far everything that you sad was very interesting I just don’t know where this can lead.
Try to e-mail me if you want.
Thanks

[Mtl.]

Thank you Sorehearted, I am disturbed but the question is how can I and what can I do to prevent such situation. Or better is it possible to prevent something like that?

[Mtl.]

For Sorehearted, no I don't know if my husband was tempted to cheat on me or not. I just belive that this is not going to be realized,as I hope that we could chage things.
What can one do to avoid all of the things previousluy sad?

[Summery Joy]

Well, you said your husband described his feelings as "numb". I suppose the solution starts there. Maybe you can awake the feelings somehow. Any thing that separates you two must be faced and resolved. Any anger, resentment or despair that may have developed over the years must have started somehere. Find that point and start from there.

The key issue is to do it toegther, you and him. It won't work if you try to fix it on your own.

The bright side is that the chart reflects the potential of fixing things. I believe that you and your husband will have both the desire and the ability to fulfill that potential.

Good luck.

[Mtl.]

The most important thing is that it is "not carved in stone" and that we could change it together for better,as you sad it there is a potential of fixing things.
One more question, if I ask a question some other time does that mean that the answer will be different too?
Thank you

[Summery Joy]

Originally Posted by Mtl.

if I ask a question some other time does that mean that the answer will be different too?

Yes, because you already have the answer to your question. You may ask later after a big change in the situation has occured or after a few months. Some astrologers say that you may not ask the same question again for 6 months.

[Mtl.]

Thank you.

[Mtl.]

Sorry Sorehearted , as I am reading your answer on and on there is something else to ask: You asked me were my husband tempted to cheat on me lately? If yes, what would be then the explanation of the chart? The same or a little bit changed?

[Summery Joy]

Oh, no, nothing changes. It's just that I saw some indicators of such temptations and wanted to make sure if I was reading them correctly. I asked the same about your because I saw similar indicators for you.

But it doesn't change anything.

[freedomlover]

Mtl.,

I feel that sorehearted's horary work shed a lot of light on the worries you might have had. I'm just going to leave it at that, unless, of course you have any specific questions. And if that's the case, maybe checking your and your husband's individual and synastry charts may help. And since we've been on the subject of solar returns - his would be in order. (I wonder if you can do solar returns for marriage anniversaries?)

I have a book that combines astrology with some other things, based on an old manuscript that was found a quarter of a century ago. I have used it as a constant reference for the past couple of years, and it is highly accurate. I've also noticed that connecting dates in this book (as well as just connecting dates - period) are an arrow pointing at something that needs to be looked at. ( I hope that made sense.)

Anyway, where I'm going with this is that your husband's and your marriage are a day apart. I know you know that, but have you ever considered the significance of it? In the reference book, I described (Birth Angels - Terah Cox), the angel that presides over his birthday, and is an indicator of his life purpose, is also the angel in dominion when you all got married. Just me, personally, but I would read this as an indicator that possibly the two of you have some sort of shared purpose in life - a shared "calling", if you will. (I picked up in the chart that you all may very well be soulmates. The shared calling is almost always an aspect of true soulmate relationships.) Perhaps this is why I kept picking up on work issues. If neither of you are doing the work you were meant to do, neither of you are gonna be really happy, and the marriage is gonna suffer. It also sounds like your husband may be one of those that gets much of his self-worth out of his work. This would explain why he puts sooo much of himself into it. But is it the work he really wants and was made to do? or does it just feed his ego? and how about you? And when is your birthday, if I might ask?

These are just some possibilities for you to consider. As I've said before on this forum, I may be a little off on the specifics, but I think I'm barking up the right tree.

Also, I consider the fact that you were able to reshape the wedding ring a good thing. It was done with your hands, so it would show work to be done on your marriage.

Hope this helps......

[Mtl.]

I allways thougt that we are meant to be together ,I'm just hopping that we are goinig to resolve any issue that may stands between us before it's too late ( acctualy it's never too late).Maby in the future I will ask a different question . My birthday is 24.12
Thank you.

[Mtl.]

Sorry for the delay,I was not able to be here lately,Freedomlover how will I know for what work I'm made for and my husband also?
I would really love to do something that I'm made for, but obviously it's not that simple.

[freedomlover]

Mtl,

I really don't know how to answer that one specifically. I can speak from a spiritual evolution point of view and soooo........ I can say that if you're both willing to work on your relationship and do the inner work within oneself that is required, that that is the first place to start. As the blocks within each of you are released, the way will become clearer, and doors of opportunity will follow. A good place to start would be healing the relationships with your parents. Even the best of childhoods has something to be healed.

I did look up your birthday in the Birth Angel book. (Sorry that got away from me. When the posts are cleared off, I sometimes lose track of things.) Your angels are as follows:

(1) Incarnation angel "Mebahiah" - Intellectual Lucidity. This one basically is about how you use your intellect in the physical world - Is it used in combination with compassion to see things from a higher perspective? Or is it used primarily to just "survive" on the physical plane - to make money, etc.

(2) Heart Angel "Poyel" - Fortune and Support. Again, this one is dealing with money. The basic crux here is "Do you trust that the Universe/God will provide for you if you pursue what you would really want to do?" It also deals much with hoarding, worrying about "socking away money".

These are some "toughies". These deal with one of the main problems with marriages universally - money to live on. But if you two are truly twin souls, then this is one of the ultimate tests to pass in order to truly be one.

Your husband's heart angel is "Cahetel" - Divine Blessings.. Again, dealing with money and how it is used. It specifically has to do with your finances being blessed when the Divine Design is recognized. Again, the phrase comes to mind, "Do what you love the money will follow?"

And it's interesting that your husband asked you to have patience with him, because the heart angel for your marrigage is: "Achaiah" - Patience. (By the way, Happy Anniversary!)

Just a thought... many people who are "married to their work", and put it in front of their marriage actually don't have much patience with themselves. They feel internally "driven" to succeed. Many times this starts in childhood as an attempt to please a parent - to "win" their love, and the pattern keeps on into adulthood. But it is a pattern that ultimately leaves one feeling empty inside. Your husband may very well have some repressed anger, and this could be blocking his emotions, causing him to feel "numb". He definitely sounds like he's at a crossroads. I would also tend to think that if he was in work that was truly satisfying to him, that he would not be having as much problems as he's having. But I really don't have enough information to go on there....

As for you, the same kind of applies. Getting in touch with any repressed anger, etc. It sounds like you both are kinda depressed. Notice your emotions, and see what "resonates" with you. What really stirs you when you think about it? The phrase "baby steps" applies here,and it may take some inner work before the first opportunity appears. You two didn't get into this pattern overnight, don't expect to get out of it immediately. (Although I don't discount sudden epiphanies - anything can happen.)

I also would perceive that it is a very important thing for the two of you to really get into some sort of spiritual teaching that will help you to trust the universe/God to provide. Sometimes we "pass off" opportunities that would take us to our destiny because of the thinking "We can't make a living doing that." Also, some serious soul-searching on both your parts to see if you've let the pleasures of this life that can be bought with money take first place in your hearts. Please don't be offended. This is the predominent pattern in the world, and it sneaks into the hearts of the most well-meaning of people.
According to your corresponding angels, it would point to these kind of things from several directions. It especially sounds like it could be your husband's problem - going numb, etc. With this many of your angels all on the same subject, it certainly sounds like a theme.

Again, your anniversary and your husband's incarnation angels also deal with the way the intellect is directed. And the ultimate end is to be able to use talents correctly, and manifest spirituality in worldly constructions - use the money for God's intended purposes. It is a possibility that with so many of the angels on the same subject, that you could become a channel for money to flow through for many people to be helped - but great testing and spiritual purification is required before this would happen.

Just some thoughts for your consideration. I don't know why I went the "Birth Angels" route with you, instead of regular astrology, but that is what I felt led to do. (Although astrology is included in the book.) Personally, I think the $12.95 investment would be one of the best things you could do for yourself. It goes into much, much more detail than I have gone into here, and it would teach you to be able to work with the angels yourself. Doing this has helped me greatly,and it is not hard at all to learn. It's a great book. Again, the name is "Birth Angels" by Terah Cox. If you can't locate it where you are, I'm sure Amazon.com would be able to get it for you.

Hope this helps,

freedomlover

[Mtl.]

Thank you Freedomlover for this answer I wasn't expecting it so comprehensive, it surely puts some new light on viewing things. I will try to find that book maybe I will be able to comprehend it properly.
Thanks

[Mtl.]

When you spend over almost a year (like me, dont ask why ) thinking will something bad happen to us and hurt our marriage then it's no wonder to project that kind of reality in dream, don't you think so?

[Mtl.]

Thanks Charmvirgo btw. I like your nickname , I had some issues with no obvious reason and that was the trigger for my continuous thoughts and finally dream. In my reality I have no visible reason to worry it's just me