Violent synastry (?)

[2Gemini]

Too personal.

[astrologer50]

Sorry, but personally I hate those chart formats, please could you go to astro.com and post both natals, synastry bi wheel??

Firstly, for a proper evaluation you need to post your chart, preferably with progressions and transits on same wheel found in extended chart selection. Reduce the ratio of orbs to 80%, select smallest image size 63% on picture,then choose house system (my personal preference is for Equal house rather than the default of placidus), right mouse click and select 'save target pic as' and save to hard drive then upload here

[rahu]

the composite has a tsquare of jupiter square the venus/uranus opposition.this shows a very intense attraction,very electric and immediate. but uranus's influence is unstable and this configuration is often associated with intense affairs but not steady relationships.but with such intense sexual chemistry i can see why you are entranced.
with the tsquare of neptune square the mercury/saturn opposition, you should be very careful as anything out of his mouth is probably false or conditional.this configuration is very tricky and usually ends when the deceptions come to light.neptune here can also show there is an addictive personality and there could be issues with alcohol/substance abuse.
the pluto/mars midpoint is square to the sun can show a potential for violence.
the jupiter/venus aspect can show is very enticing and can show material wealth and it maybe that this potential has something to do with why you are in this relationship.

the physical/emotional chemistry is very powerful,and is probably why you are disregarding your intuitions . but there is nothing but deception behind the intense attraction.

rahu

[BobZemco]

Originally Posted by rahu

the composite has a tsquare of jupiter square the venus/uranus opposition.this shows a very intense attraction,very electric and immediate. but uranus's influence is unstable and this configuration is often associated with intense affairs but not steady relationships.but with such intense sexual chemistry i can see why you are entranced.contttttt

I agree. I don't particularly care for the Pluto square Sun or the Mercury square Venus either. This is probably not a relationship that will last. How's it go -- "Opposites attract but not for long."

I don't see any real propensity for violence, perhaps some verbal or emotional abuse. He has a lot of activity with progressions coming up.

[Ebenia]

Also I want to add that the inconjuction between Suns and inconjunction between Mercurys are very difficult. It could mean that these people are profoundly different in their ways of communicating and thinking and also that their immidiate egos and personas just do not go well together. It's like trying to fix oil and water - they just resist each other. What ever the other one does, the other one understands it "wrong" and thinks it "wrong" and there is no common ground.

But well, nothing is black and white and nor are relationships. There are few good points in this chart that show why you fancy him and what brings you together. Jupiter falling into your 5th brings up romantic feelings and fun, Pluto-Moon conjunction can look very interesting and it can be very intense, but not always for the good. North Node conjunction to your Pluto-Saturn conjunction can show that you were meant to meet, but it's up to you in which way you want to learn from this experience. Maybe destiny sometimes brings people to us, but it's free will that decides how far we go and if we are ready to take responsibility for our actions if it turns out ugly or are we ready to be happy of what we had and trust our instincts and let go and never go that far. It's up to you.

[astrologer50]

Looking at the synastry, his mars/mercury is conj your Asc (providing your times are correct of course) and this is a massive attractive thing going on here. Your Vertex is conj his desc

His N Node conj Moon is conj your Pluto/saturn. So his Lessons are to be with women and pluto saturn is just the right person to do it. Pluto can want power, control and use manipulation, then saturn goes cold, austere, aloof and distant.

His sun is square your saturn/pluto, so his 'core beliefs' personal values and pride and ego will feel stricted by Saturn and manipluted by pluto.

The real deal breaker for me is his saturn conjunct your venus. Venus will always feel shortchanged and unloved.

Your mercury is quincunx his mercury/mars, so this is talking at cross purposes. Although his mars is exalted in Cappi being conj mercury suggests someone who is too forceful at speech or simply argumentative..

Lastly, another deal breaker is your sun signs are QUINCUNXED - I have this with my mother (would you believe) and there is 'something' that never seems to click or gel cos you are just coming from completely different planets or time zones.

Hope this was helpful

[astrologer50]

Astrologer50: Thank you. I want to tell you that I really appriciate all the info... but can't help to make a few questions: I've been saying this over and over again and I am sorry if I am starting to sound like a broken record but... I have been in contact with this person for 13 yrs. It was not instant attraction- more instant repulsion. But after 4 yrs of knowing him I just snaped. I completly lost it, head over heels- but he does not know. And I wanna make sure it stays this way. In a way I feel it's karmic but for the life of me cannot figure out what the lesson is. What am I to learn. What I represent for him? Will this thing reach it's natural cause and die out anytime soon. Can't bear to think it may last for another decade.

There can be 'lots' of Lesson going on here as detailed in my post 8. YOU represent an opportunity for Learning something about relationships and soul growth

Ebenia

Also I want to add that the inconjuction between Suns and inconjunction between Mercurys are very difficult. It could mean that these people are profoundly different in their ways of communicating and thinking and also that their immidiate egos and personas just do not go well together. It's like trying to fix oil and water - they just resist each other. What ever the other one does, the other one understands it "wrong" and thinks it "wrong" and there is no common ground.

An excellent synopsis/description of the quincunx even better than mine, sorry I didn't read your post thoroughly

With all quincunxs it takes time and effort to balance the energies and not to mention hard work - and considering you don't even want to be in a relationship with him, I can see you being 'reluctant' to put the necessary energy in somehow....

In his chart N Node Libra is all about fairness and balance and communications (air element), Moon in scorpio is all about (emotions/water element) deep and meaningful, intense jealous possesive, but his emotions are limited due to lack of aspects. In fact square to sun suggests his parents were divorced or divided at least and he learnt certain things, probably thinking that all emotional relationships 'should' be difficult to be deep and meaningful cos that's what HE experienced in childhood from parents

In your progressed chart your prog MC is now conjunct natal Uranus. This energy wants freedom and independ and to 'ring the changes' and this is your efforts to break free of an unhealthy relationship. Which you can do anytime you want.
Your prog moon has returned to natal position scorpio, death and rebirth a time for 'letting go' - in 3months time is will return to natal post which only happens every 28years and will 'set off' natal moons aspects which is already square to venus. You may benefit from reading this thread --

venus square moon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon

[BobZemco]

Originally Posted by 2Gemini

Bob Zemco: I appriciate the input. Really do. But what have you meant with this: "He has a lot of activity with progressions coming up." Now I am intrigued. Not sure I understand. Would you care to elaborate just a bit more? Thank you.

Sometimes, in a man's chart, Mars progressing into the 1st House can cause problems. You've probably heard others say "he was a great guy for 6, 15, 20 years, and then suddenly turned violent. That's usually progressed Mars into a Fire Sign on the 1st House.

That is not a problem here (which is one reason I said I don't see a propensity for violence). However, his progressed Mars will be opposing natal Saturn in the 6th ruling the 12th House.

And now you say he has problem with drugs and alcohol. That's the worst possible thing. To make matters worse, his progressed Moon is going to conjunct his progressed Mars (and oppose his natal Saturn). That might be the trigger that pushes him into a heavy binge period, (for lack of a better term). Sometimes too, Mars opposing Saturn in H6 with Saturn ruling H12 indicates a possibility of illness (and that's also heightened with substance abuse).

And also his progressed Venus is going to be opposing natal Pluto in the 8th House. Let's just say loyalty to one's significant other goes right out the window. Even if that isn't the case (and it isn't always), it's a really intense period emotionally (especially with Pluto in the 8th ruling the 10th - ego/status).

As Ebenia pointed out, you guys don't communicate well. Flirting is not communication. I'm talking about "my needs aren't being met" (whatever they might be) and having a rational sane discussion like two diplomats. That ain't gonna happen without hitting below the belt, cheap shots, screaming and of course, "3 years ago you used the dishwasher to wash one coffee cup" (uh, wut? Who remembers stuff like that from 3 years ago and why does it matter and why bring it up now?).

[rahu]

lookng at his chart,he is a very sociable and attractive man and is used to women coming to him as he has a mars/mercury conjunction sextile to venus and sextile to uranus.this is a socialy adept man.but the mercury/mars conjunction is square to pluto .this implies that he needs to control .it is not so much how you feel about him but how you follow his commands.as you were about 14 when this"relationship" started,you were most likely emotionally malleable .with pluto biquintile jupiter and venus, this need to control focuses on relationships.he is a extremely sensitive individual and i'm sure you feel he can read your mind at times.

this tendency to control is also shown in the composite as venus is biquintile pluto with pluto forming a tridecile to jupiter.as i have said ,it is not so much a emotional thing with him but a control thing.does he give you suggestion about clothes or how to relate to diffferent indiivuals etc.?

though i have to admit, i am some what amazed that in all this time there has not been physical intimacy as the sexual chemistry is very strong. is he married?

rahu

[astrologer50]

OK... the same question I posted earlier but it seems I am not getting it across the right way. Maybe you could tell me: when will this pull lessen? You know what I mean- on certain transists things get iniciated and in the same manner they get over after the cycle is complete.
That's what I need to find out. It's the main reason I got out of the "lurking zone".
I see this contact as a way to test my selfworth and not giving in to the basic responses.
But it's getting exhausting. It's difficult to explain. We may not communicate so much in person- but there are other ways to reach someone.
So. Is the cycle about to end soon? When will he exit the scene?

It can END this very minute -- when YOU put your mind to it. You are not controlled by circumstances or fate. You are the captain of YOUR ship here. You have allowed this to happen for a reason a learning Lesson.

[Sun Scor Moon Aqu Asc Vir]

My Two Penneth for what it`s worth ..

Capricorn exude a certain magnetism more so if Scorpio is an influence .. and Bonds with them can feel Psychic long before they become physical ..

Trying to extract how they FEEL verbally from them however is akin to pulling teeth ..

He might well be Crazy about you and you would never know .. I suspect he is fully aware though about how you FEEL for him ..

Noteworthy also is the Cappy need to be 100 % certain they have found as you put it the 'Right One' before the slightest interest in being willing to settle down and commit to it wholeheartedly .. This can take YEARS unfortunately ..

In your situation I would back off and see what effect this has on him ..

People can and do overcome addictions once motivated strongly enough and Caps take responsibility very seriously when committed to it ..

[Ebenia]

Originally Posted by Sun Scor Moon Aqu Asc Vir

My Two Penneth for what it`s worth ..

Capricorn exude a certain magnetism more so if Scorpio is an influence .. and Bonds with them can feel Psychic long before they become physical ..

Trying to extract how they FEEL verbally from them however is akin to pulling teeth ..

He might well be Crazy about you and you would never know .. I suspect he is fully aware though about how you FEEL for him ..

Noteworthy also is the Cappy need to be 100 % certain they have found as you put it the 'Right One' before the slightest interest in being willing to settle down and commit to it wholeheartedly .. This can take YEARS unfortunately ..

In your situation I would back off and see what effect this has on him ..

People can and do overcome addictions once motivated strongly enough and Caps take responsibility very seriously when committed to it ..

Oh please honey NO! This is the last thing you want 2Gemini to do. Trying to get another adult humanbeing stop drinking and being self-harming?? NO NO NO. I am sorry that this makes me feel so strongly, but I have been there and it never works. No one will stop drinking or behaving badly for someone else - they have to do it themselves and FOR themselves. Maybe I understood you wrongly, but I want to make this clear for 2Gemini, that PLEASE what ever happens, do not go into this trap. It's the worst jail you can ever go to.

And 2Gemini, as I said to you before; people come into our lifes for purpose and for different reasons. We women might sometimes misinterpretate this as it would mean that "people come to our lives for reason that we have to have a relationship with them or we are missing something". That is not the case. Sometimes the reason is that we have to keep calm and strong, even though something is trying to make us do something, but we know it's no good. Then the reason and purpose is that we need to listen to our intuitive side and that we need to become more strong in our own being to understand that little amount of joy is not a good reason to ruin our perfectly good lives for that. Sometimes the thing we need to learn is to LET GO. Sometimes it is that we need to start loving ourselves more that we would not end up being with men like that. Sometimes life puts these little "traps" in front of us to see how we cope and what have we learned. If we haven't learned anything, then we might have to go it with the hardest way.

But it is always up to us, what we wanna do. We have free will. And all that we can see from your charts, is clearly that YES, you have chemistry and yes, you some how are drawn to him, but that a real relationship with you two would be an awful mess and probably not end up very well. If he treats his other women like that, how would he treat you - probably not very well. But remember, that there are million people on the planet that we can have chemistry with that we have yet to meet. So really, I would suggest that let go, move on and try to find something that you are actually worth of. But, as you know, it is all up to you.

[Sun Scor Moon Aqu Asc Vir]

Originally Posted by Ebenia

Oh please honey NO! This is the last thing you want 2Gemini to do. Trying to get another adult humanbeing stop drinking and being self-harming?? NO NO NO. I am sorry that this makes me feel so strongly, but I have been there and it never works. No one will stop drinking or behaving badly for someone else - they have to do it themselves and FOR themselves. Maybe I understood you wrongly, but I want to make this clear for 2Gemini, that PLEASE what ever happens, do not go into this trap. It's the worst jail you can ever go to.

And 2Gemini, as I said to you before; people come into our lifes for purpose and for different reasons. We women might sometimes misinterpretate this as it would mean that "people come to our lives for reason that we have to have a relationship with them or we are missing something". That is not the case. Sometimes the reason is that we have to keep calm and strong, even though something is trying to make us do something, but we know it's no good. Then the reason and purpose is that we need to listen to our intuitive side and that we need to become more strong in our own being to understand that little amount of joy is not a good reason to ruin our perfectly good lives for that. Sometimes the thing we need to learn is to LET GO. Sometimes it is that we need to start loving ourselves more that we would not end up being with men like that. Sometimes life puts these little "traps" in front of us to see how we cope and what have we learned. If we haven't learned anything, then we might have to go it with the hardest way.

But it is always up to us, what we wanna do. We have free will. And all that we can see from your charts, is clearly that YES, you have chemistry and yes, you some how are drawn to him, but that a real relationship with you two would be an awful mess and probably not end up very well. If he treats his other women like that, how would he treat you - probably not very well. But remember, that there are million people on the planet that we can have chemistry with that we have yet to meet. So really, I would suggest that let go, move on and try to find something that you are actually worth of. But, as you know, it is all up to you.

Hi ..

I wasn`t suggesting SHE do any such thing ... No

I recommended she 'Back Off ' and wait to see what transpires ..

He like everyone else is capable of addressing his Addiction Issues which are likely fueling the Violent tendencies .. and YES indeed I agree the initiative to do so has to come from him ..

[Ebenia]

Originally Posted by Sun Scor Moon Aqu Asc Vir

Hi ..

I wasn`t suggesting SHE do any such thing ... No

I recommended she 'Back Off ' and wait to see what transpires ..

He like everyone else is capable of addressing his Addiction Issues which are likely fueling the Violent tendencies .. and YES indeed I agree the initiative to do so has to come from him ..

Okey, cool, so we agree here then.

[DiDi]

does he look or act like Orlando Bloom born 13 january 1977 in CANTURBURY ENGLAND?

[DiDi]

i would have thought meranda kerr was enough for him lol

so i had a look at the synastry and for most of the sexual desires and chemistry aspects... im also puzzled as to why he would be interested... like you said "it must be complicated"!!! I cant see anything going on... by these charts

his mars does nothing to your venus and only sextiles your moon... not that strong
nor does it hit your uranus... mmm
his venus is in pisces square your mars... so that is where you say you see him as a brother type.
there are no connections with midpoints to the sun or moon on either side.