Horary Test: Will I keep my job?

Radu · #1 08-13-2006, 08:33 AM

This is a test for anyone looking to try the astrological skills on a difficult chart. After some comments are made, I'll reveal the outcome.
Please everybody know that you are most welcome to post on the forum such horary questions, either found on the internet/books/etc, either yours, with the purpose of improving our horary skills.
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The question is "Will I Keep My Job?"

March 14, 1996, 4:42 pm EST, at Clarksville, IN, USA (38N15 85W45).
Asc 29Leo43, MC 24Tau53

Background:
The Querent is a supervisor at an amusement park. She has worked her way up from a trainee position operating rides to her present position. What concerned her was a change in company ownership and management. She was well-thought of by the previous owners/managers and received good reviews, regular pay raises and promotions. The new management, by contrast, exhibited signs of hostility toward the employees held over in the transition, especially those in supervisory and management positions. Her immediate manager had been summarily dismissed in a most reprehensible way.

fensi88 · #2 08-13-2006, 10:20 AM

Maybe she will because of that Regulus on ASC and because Ve (job) exalts Moon(her), but I am not sure because both Su and Moon are peregrine and Moon is in detriment. Sun, her, is at the end of sign, so if she keep job she will do something different from what she is doing now and she will not be so happy (POF conjuct unfortunate fix star (Betelgeuse).

Radu · #3 08-13-2006, 11:07 AM

Good points. Pars of Fortune conjunct Betelguese - I didn't see that. But notice also Algol conjunct the Midheaven (slightly more than one degree orb).
Indeed these are a good indications of her strongly disliking the job.

However ASC on Regulus and Venus, 10th house ruler, in domicile show that she is in a position of power at work. Yet both the Sun and the Moon are peregrine, as you say.

This chart is tricky. There're some more important things to notice.

I attach the horary chart.

blumen · #4 08-13-2006, 07:39 PM

Here's my reading, let's hope it's right.

At the time this question was asked, the management had already made its decision as to whether to keep the querent or to dismiss her (late ascendant).

The querent is signified by the Sun, lord of the Ascendant. The management is signified by Venus/tenth house. The job is signified by the sixth house. She has a boss over her, and cannot arrange neither her schedule nor her activities. Therefore the job is signified by Saturn/sixth house.

The Sun is besieged and peregrine in Pisces, the sign of fears and worries. This condition indicates that she has no power over the decision that was taken. She was extremely worried about the situation. In the end, these worries were not justified. Within three days or weeks, she got the offer to stay.

Why?

The Sun was received by Saturn (the position) by terms. Also it was in the exaltation of Venus (the management). The Sun is also applying to Saturn: she is about to get her new job.

The Moon was peregrine. At the same time, it was in the fifth house (amusement park, Capricorn: she was a supervisor) and moving to the sixth house. The Moon is ruled by Saturn (the job) and applies a sextile to the Sun, as well as to Saturn.

Also Venus (the management) is applying a trine to Jupiter (benefic). Jupiter is in the house symbolising the amusement park.

Either the management could not find a suitable replacement, or they valued her skills her precision, in the end I think she kept her position,

Blumen

(added later)....but perhaps work in another location, in a different amusement park managed by the same company? I am not too sure about this though

fensi88 · #5 08-14-2006, 06:50 AM

In this type of question it is important in which sign are angles and rules. Anglas are in fix sign and ruler of job. But querent's ruler is in double sign so 2:1 for keep the job.
But, as you said Radu , this chart is very contradictory. Here is why. If she keeps the job than her's ruler must be in better condition from ruler of rivals. But if I can believe my astroprogram that is not the case in this chart:
planets' strengths:
Sun=-10
Moon=-2
Saturn=4!
So I am not sure, again.

blumen · #6 08-14-2006, 07:37 AM

[QUOTE=fensi88]In this type of question it is important in which sign are angles and rules.[QUOTE]

Thanks for pointing this out, Goca, it is something I didn't consider when I delineated the chart,

Blumen

Radu · #7 08-14-2006, 08:39 AM

Ok, I think that most that could be said about this chart has already been said.

Blumen noticed the late Ascendant indicating that a decision has been made in her regard and also the beseiged Sun - she is practically beseiged.

We already know from the story that:

Quote:

The new management, by contrast, exhibited signs of hostility toward the employees held over in the transition, especially those in supervisory and management positions. Her immediate manager had been summarily dismissed in a most reprehensible way.

So we know that she is beseiged, let's see by whom: Mars and Saturn.
The Sun is the triplicity (+3), term (+2) and face (+1) of Mars = +6, so even if it's in Jupiter's sign (+5) and in Venus' exaltation sign (+4), the actual dispositor of the Sun is Mars!
As for the Moon, it is in Mars' exaltation sign (+4) and term (+2), meaning that the true dispositor of the Moon is also Mars.
Besides, the Moon is in Saturn's sign.

OK, so the planets that besiege the Sun, are actually the planets that disposit her significators. So who has power over her and wants to harm her. From the background story, it's obvious that this is the new management team.

I take the 10th to represent her job/her career and not the new management team. Venus, ruler of the 10th is strong in domicile, so she has a good public image, a strong career that cannot be shaken easily.
Indeed Algol on the Midheaven and the Part of Fortune on Betelguese indicate that she came to hate the job with the new management in charge.
But she is not going to give up this job - the Moon (her) exalts Venus (job), and Venus is in applying trine with Jupiter - the job, despite the new management conditions, is worth it.

Now, we know that a decision has been taken concerning her (late ASC). The separating aspects indicate it also: both the Sun and the Moon (her) separate from an aspect with Mars (their dispositor, the management).
Mars is hating Venus, as it is in Mars' detriment. The management doesn't like her in that position.
And the Sun is beseiged - she's under attack too, as her previous immediate manager.
But both Mars and Saturn are combust... The "attackers besieging her" are combust, unable to finalize their attack.

So, what is going to happen? They want to dismiss her but are unable to do it at this moment. Therefore they will wait for a more favorable moment, when they'll be in a more powerful position.

We see Mars (management) in the third and last decanate of Pisces, soon to enter Aries, its domicile. This is when they'll be powerful enough to fire her. There're 7 degrees and a half to travel until Mars can enter Aries - in a mutable sign, a succedent house = months -> 7 months and a half!

And on October 24 she was indeed fired...

Attention: Please don't think I am smart enough to figure all this out by myself from the beginning - I already knew the outcome and actively looked for something that indicated the 7.5 months interval from the horary question until she was fired. And there was Mars, so I investigated Mars' in order to understand its role.

This was a tough horary to crack and I want to thank you you both for the brave interpretation. Probably I wouldn't have done better either without knowing the outcome.

The original chart data and interpretation come from http://www.thepoint.net/~fjernest/keepjob.htm. But I'm not quite convinced by that delineation.

Please send further comments and tell me if you'd like some more such "tests".

blumen · #8 08-14-2006, 09:50 AM

Gee I got it so WRONG! Now I am at work, but later Ill have a closer look at the delineation.
And yes, please: post more tough charts for us to interpret,

Blumen

starlink · #9 12-13-2006, 02:11 PM

Radu, I am impressed by the way (even though you knew the outcome) you delineated this horary chart. I am also learning and must admit that I never read anything about the +2, +6 etc. If I understand it well, each factor gets point?, like term is a +2 and triplicity a +3? Could you advise me on a good book please so I can order it in the internet?. This chart show absolutely everything and that is why I am so fascinated. Wonder if I will EVER learn to do it the way you do it or even come close.

BLUMEN, remember the question about my son's job. Will you believe it, I cannot find the thread anymore. I asked Draco and he was going to look at it and then you also wanted to have more details. Remember where I can find the thread? Stupid me and sorry for bothering you. If you can't remember, no worry, I will keep searching.