Her name is Miss Samantha Burns, She was murdered in West Virginia

[MorganaL]

I hate to ask this but a object lesson is always the best way to start. Remember if anyone is willing to do this chart, talk to me like a 1st grader is the subject of Astrology so that I may learn. Thanks. Here is the missing person. Her name is Miss Samantha Burns. She was murdered on November 11, 2002 by two dirt bags who escaped from a Kentucky jail. Miss Burns' body has never been recovered in Huntington, West Virginia. The two dirt bags who did this are basically messing with police and not telling them what they did with her. Miss Burns' car was found burned out on German Ridge Road, which is in Wayne County, West Virginia. Miss Burns had been attending Marshall University when she was murdered. I hate to ask this but I would not even begin to how how to do a chart for this. It also makes me extremely angry that the dirt bags "toy" with police and don't tell what they did with this lady's body. I found out by accident that I am distantly related to her. (3rd for 4th cousin) Either way this should not happen to anyone. Here are some websites about Miss Burns and what happened. There are others if one google her name and "West Virginia". http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/sear...amantha-burns/ http://www.wvstatepolice.com/children/adults.html http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/40532337.html http://www.huntingtonnews.net/local/...ord-burns.html Thanks for your help. Miss Burns parents want her home.

[lillyjgc]

Hi Morghana,
I've done a few missing persons charts- I suggest you cast a chart for sunrise on the day of her murder-if that is known with any certainty-set at the place from which she disappeared.
If you have a good astrology program, you can advance that chart in 5 minute intervals, and you may even be able to see what time she was killed.
Another option is to cast a *last seen chart* if that info is available.
If you post up a chart, we can take a look.
Cheers,
Lilly

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Hi Morghana,
I've done a few missing persons charts- I suggest you cast a chart for sunrise on the day of her murder-if that is known with any certainty-set at the place from which she disappeared.
If you have a good astrology program, you can advance that chart in 5 minute intervals, and you may even be able to see what time she was killed.
Another option is to cast a *last seen chart* if that info is available.
If you post up a chart, we can take a look.
Cheers,
Lilly

Miss Burns was murdered on November 11, 2002. She was last seen alive at around 6:30pm. I believe the Huntington Mall caught this on camera. I have been using chart generators online but I don't know how to cut and paste them here. What is "you can advance that chart in 5 minute intervals"?? What does this mean?

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Hi Morghana,
I've done a few missing persons charts- I suggest you cast a chart for sunrise on the day of her murder-if that is known with any certainty-set at the place from which she disappeared.
If you have a good astrology program, you can advance that chart in 5 minute intervals, and you may even be able to see what time she was killed.
Another option is to cast a *last seen chart* if that info is available.
If you post up a chart, we can take a look.
Cheers,
Lilly

Do you know of, or can suggest an Astrology program? Which one has a "last seen chart"? I have not even heard of that. Now you see why I posted this object lesson!

[lillyjgc]

Morgana: You can draw up the chart at astro.com.Then you need to upload it to a carrier, like imageshack and using the icon third from the right just above, you post the chart as a link.
If you don't have a program for astrology, you can still do that by setting a chart in 5 minute intervals, for the whole day-its very time consuming of course.eg. 12.00, then 12.05 etc etc etc but each chart has to be closely studied.
The chart you need to set up for now needs to be set for Nov 11 2002.6.30pm in the place that occurred.
http://www.astro.com/ (The chart drawing is a free service)
Drawing up your Chart
You will be directed to a page that is headed “Please select your horoscope here”.
Go down the right side of the page until you see *Horoscope Chart Drawings.* Choose *Extended Chart Selection*
You will then be taken to a new page where you click on *add a new Person* and you enter the birth data as requested.
The time of your birth is the most important data of all. Use any means you can to verify the accuracy of your birth time. This is very important. Approximations will alter the house cusps and may change the house rulerships. Later on your Progressed chart will also be inaccurate.
Under *Methods* Choose *Natal Chart Wheel*
Where it says * Chart Drawing style* : choose *Web Default style*. (Keep it simple to begin with).
Then *CLICK HERE TO SHOW THE CHART*.

Cheers
Lilly

[lillyjgc]

Do you know of, or can suggest an Astrology program? Which one has a "last seen chart"? I have not even heard of that. Now you see why I posted this object lesson!

Solar Fire is used a fair bit around here, but some have downloaded astrolog and starfisher which are free.
A "last seen chart* is a chart cast for the time and place the person was last seen...like an Event chart really.It narrows the process down too, of tracing her movements on the day in question.
Lilly

[gemini59]

I have found the day and sunrise chart here:

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Morgana: You can draw up the chart at astro.com.Then you need to upload it to a carrier, like imageshack and using the icon third from the right just above, you post the chart as a link.
If you don't have a program for astrology, you can still do that by setting a chart in 5 minute intervals, for the whole day-its very time consuming of course.eg. 12.00, then 12.05 etc etc etc but each chart has to be closely studied.
The chart you need to set up for now needs to be set for Nov 11 2002.6.30pm in the place that occurred.
http://www.astro.com/ (The chart drawing is a free service)
Drawing up your Chart
You will be directed to a page that is headed “Please select your horoscope here”.
Go down the right side of the page until you see *Horoscope Chart Drawings.* Choose *Extended Chart Selection*
You will then be taken to a new page where you click on *add a new Person* and you enter the birth data as requested.
The time of your birth is the most important data of all. Use any means you can to verify the accuracy of your birth time. This is very important. Approximations will alter the house cusps and may change the house rulerships. Later on your Progressed chart will also be inaccurate.
Under *Methods* Choose *Natal Chart Wheel*
Where it says * Chart Drawing style* : choose *Web Default style*. (Keep it simple to begin with).
Then *CLICK HERE TO SHOW THE CHART*.

Cheers
Lilly

Okay...I am on this site now...I am wondering around. Does this site have that "Last seen chart" that you spoke of? Please bear with me if I ask a lot of questions but keep in mind that I am doing my homework!!!!

[gemini59]

I am trying to learn these things so I am in hopes Lilly will chime in as you are doing better with these.

Scorpio, the natural ruler of the 8th house of birth, death and transformation rules the 1st house.

Mercury is conjunct the ascendant and it rules the 8th house. We see two planets in the 12th house of things hidden and Gemini rules the 8th implying more than one. Indeed from the story line it appears they murdered two women and one has already been found.

Uranus rules the 4th house or end of things and is three degrees shy of the IC.

This may have to do with the timing of deaths and may imply that it happended three somethings prior to the sunrise time.

I am curious to as to venus in the 12th in its retrograde state. It rules the 12th and also rules the 7th of partnerships and known enemies.


Venus retrograde in the 12th implies a return to a previous state, a change of mind. It could imply that one person ratted on another.

Moon rules fugitives and runaways in the third house of vehicles or communcation. In the sign of Aquarius which is ruled by Uranus implying sudden unexpected events, detatchment, freedom-loving, independent. It rules the lower legs, angles an blood circulation. It is also a mixed symbol of terrene and aquatic. Places include hilly uneven grounds, places rectly dug up, stone quarries, sources of springs, places for machinery, near a shore. Places of Uranus..windy, innovative technological. west by north.

But this either describes them or missing person.

I think that the first house rules missing persons does it not? I think I am a tad lost here.
But if this is so then the deaths of the two girls might be timed to the passing from the ascendant to the 12th of mercury and Venus.

[gemini59]

Here is the last seen chart:

[gemini59]

How can you tell when she was murdered from the last seen chart?
We see again Gemini rules the first and in the last chart it ruled the 8th.

We see that Saturn rules the 8th. We see that the sun rules the 4th or end of things.

We see that Saturn reaches the ascendant in 17 somethings.

The moon reaches Uranus in four somethings.

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

Here is the last seen chart:

Okay I am trying to make a chart!! I really am. I just don't understand this s#%$ and what is worse I can't figure out how to cut and paste it so I can post it here. Plus it does not look like the chart you guys create, so I am using a different generator. If you can access this link would you please go to it and and take a look? http://www.astrologyweekly.com/chart...e=10&e1=0&e2=0 I put in her date of death, about the hour she died, which I estimated at 7pm, and the longitude and latitude of where I believe she was murdered. (where her car was found) Thanks so much.

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

How can you tell when she was murdered from the last seen chart?
We see again Gemini rules the first and in the last chart it ruled the 8th.

We see that Saturn rules the 8th. We see that the sun rules the 4th or end of things.

We see that Saturn reaches the ascendant in 17 somethings.

The moon reaches Uranus in four somethings.

I really need you to translate this....please on this site http://www.astrologyweekly.com/chart...e=10&e1=0&e2=0 What does....AS: 2degrees 51' Gemini MC:10degrees 46' Aquarius Mean? Remember this is almost a foreign language to me. I need it translated.

[gemini59]

Hi MorganaL, I feel your pain there. For future reference I just use astro.com in general in the extended chart section, downsize the chart to 63% with the drop down box that says "Image size" and save it to my pictures. Then when I want to add it in I go to "Go advanced" and add it as an attachment.

I am hoping that Lilly comes back cause actually I am learning here too

I took an interest in it as I lived in West Virginia and Kentucky awhile and am familiar with the Huntington area. And to I am trying to understand more of this type of missing persons thing.

How did you arrive at the 7pm death time? just curious..

[gemini59]

Do you know if she knew these guys? Do they simply abduct her from the mall or had she any previous affliation with them?

I am curious as Jupiter in the 3rd has completed an opposing aspect with the moon three degrees prior. Jupiter rules open enemies too. If the first rules missing persons and jupiter rules open enemies and the 8th rules the murderers then who is what and what is who? and what was up so to speak....was this random?

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

Hi MorganaL, I feel your pain there. For future reference I just use astro.com in general in the extended chart section, downsize the chart to 63% with the drop down box that says "Image size" and save it to my pictures. Then when I want to add it in I go to "Go advanced" and add it as an attachment.

I am hoping that Lilly comes back cause actually I am learning here too

I took an interest in it as I lived in West Virginia and Kentucky awhile and am familiar with the Huntington area. And to I am trying to understand more of this type of missing persons thing.

How did you arrive at the 7pm death time? just curious..

"How did you arrive at the 7pm death time? just curious." she was last seen alive at 6:30 pm. These two were the type who wanted her car, not her. They were on the run from the law and need a get a way car. Now I am no FBI profiler but from what I do know of these types they would have wanted rid of her as soon as possible. They were on the run and on crack. Plus there is one more thing. Like I said, I am no FBI Profiler but I know this area. Have you ever driven down German Ridge Road in Huntington? Have you ever driven down it on a late November night? Now add the fact that you are on crack, not familiar with the neighborhood, and had a hostage in the car. I drove down it one night in November after there was a bunch of news articles on tv about Sam. German Ridge Road is one hell of a road! There are twists and turns, one wrong turn and you go down the hill! There are no guard rails. On this road you are speeding at 25 mph and that is dangerous. This is a highly wooded area with a few houses. I am thinking to myself. "If Sam was alive when they brought her up here she could have jumped from a moving car and made a run for the woods and they would have never found her" Sam was a West Virginia girl she would have known how to survive in the woods! Remember she was from this area she knew those woods they did not. She would have known how to run in the woods for safety then go to a home and ask for help. People up that holler would have helped her! All she had to do was scream once she was out of the car and running. It is my belief that she was knocked out or already dead by the time her car made it to German Ridge Road or else she would have tried to make a run for it. Now mind you this is all a theory of mine but I implore you to take a drive up German Ridge Road late at night and see what I am speaking of.

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

Do you know if she knew these guys? Do they simply abduct her from the mall or had she any previous affliation with them?

I am curious as Jupiter in the 3rd has completed an opposing aspect with the moon three degrees prior. Jupiter rules open enemies too. If the first rules missing persons and jupiter rules open enemies and the 8th rules the murderers then who is what and what is who? and what was up so to speak....was this random?

You and I are connecting!! Just before I read your post I was meditating on this subject, like I have done in the past but it came to me. "Why did they pick her?" Why did two men from Kentucky don hunting masks and kidnap her? Why her? The victimology is not correct or is off somehow. I have read everything by John Douglas and Robert Ressler and something here does not add up. I am thinking she did know them. Maybe she met them inside the Huntington Mall before the kidnapping? Maybe she "bumped" into them in a store? They flirted with her and she did not know they were on the run from the law? They figured out she was alone then grabbed her after she left? That is what I "feel".

[gemini59]

Well this makes sense in a way as to the Jupiter moon relationship.

The moon rules the 3rd house in the last seen chart. It is visible or on top of the chart. It has opposed jupiter three degrees ago, ruler of the 7th of open enemies thus I wonder if they were already in the car when she came up on them. The moon meeting Uranus four degrees in the future implies they may have meet with an unexpected event .

Mars in the fifth in trine to the Moon implies pleasure (crack cocaine) in sextile to jupiter expands the mars energy and separation from the moon (car). Mars is in detriment in Libra but in Saturn exaltation and saturn rules the 8th house. (look at essential dignities in skyscript). Indeed the pleasure of the crack lead to a very bad spin on things.

But mercury is I think still her, the missing person.

Mercury at 18 degrees is close to jupiter and mars aspect. But Saturn does not aspect at all so I am a tad confused.

If she is mercury she is combust the sun. Implying the sun is so close to her it drowns out her own light, she is essentially unable to make an effort. The sun is in the 6th house of service to others, health, co-workers. The sun is a male, and it rules the end of things or the 4th house. There is more to the story I am afraid..I suspect.

Look at how Jupiter, ruler of the 7th, the moon ruler of fugitives, squares the sun where she is combust. Is there a third party? The fourth house is a fire sign (is this the car on fire?) but mercury is in a water sign.


As to the ascendant. It is simply the degree and sign that is rising at the time of the chart.
To put it simply if you look at the stars they change realy every hour as the earth moves. A different constellation moves in place.

Thus at the time of her last seen and surmised death the sign of Gemini was rising in the sky. This begins the chart reading. WE then can place everything in the chart according to its location and see what houses they are in , their relationships or aspects to each other and if they relate to each other by dignity.

There are a few planets that can imply a meaning as moon is natural ruler of fugitives.

I can relate to your interest in astrology. Event charts follow some of the rules of horary and I would encourage you to read as much as you can on this. Go to Skyscripts site and read up on houses and signs as well as planets. This is a good beginning to follow information.

[gemini59]

Gosh, you are right we are on the same page. I realize that my astrology jargon is going to be a tad confusing but I appreciate the detailed information.

So they were wearing masks you say? Hmmm...

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

Do you know if she knew these guys? Do they simply abduct her from the mall or had she any previous affliation with them?

I am curious as Jupiter in the 3rd has completed an opposing aspect with the moon three degrees prior. Jupiter rules open enemies too. If the first rules missing persons and jupiter rules open enemies and the 8th rules the murderers then who is what and what is who? and what was up so to speak....was this random?

On a sad note these two dirt bags.....I will say their names but I hate too! Chadwick Fulks and Brenden Bashman. Here's a linky http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/fo...ad.php?t=10294 "Alice Donovan of Conway was kidnapped from the Conway Wal-Mart parking lot on November 14, 2002" Miss Donovan's bones were found in the woods of North Carolina. Now these bastards are on death row in North Carolina and I say GOOD! West Virginia does not have the death penalty.

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

Gosh, you are right we are on the same page. I realize that my astrology jargon is going to be a tad confusing but I appreciate the detailed information.

So they were wearing masks you say? Hmmm...

Linky http://www.huntingtonnews.net/local/...ord-burns.html "A little after 6:30 p.m. on November 11, 2002, a 19-year-old woman left J.C. Penney’s at the Huntington Mall by way of their rear exit. As she started to enter her parked car, a man wearing camouflage clothing and a hunting mask forced the woman into her vehicle. The car was then driven to the front of the mall, where the abductor and his victim met a second man similarly clad who was waiting in a van. After binding the woman with tape, they made several withdrawals using her ATM card. They forced her to phone her mother to reassure her family that she would soon be home. Instead, the men drove Samantha Burns to an unknown isolated area where one or both raped and murdered her. Chadrick Fulks and Brandon Basham have already pleaded guilty to Carjacking resulting in Death. Both men have been sentenced to life without parole. " ************************************************** *********** Without saying why for now......on your chart and mine.....on the bottom of your chart...yours is better....Look at the very bottom....where it says 11Gem and 19Aqu ...do you see that? What does that mean? What does that stand for? Something about Gemini and Aquarius.

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by gemini59

Well this makes sense in a way as to the Jupiter moon relationship.

The moon rules the 3rd house in the last seen chart. It is visible or on top of the chart. It has opposed jupiter three degrees ago, ruler of the 7th of open enemies thus I wonder if they were already in the car when she came up on them. The moon meeting Uranus four degrees in the future implies they may have meet with an unexpected event .

Mars in the fifth in trine to the Moon implies pleasure (crack cocaine) in sextile to jupiter expands the mars energy and separation from the moon (car). Mars is in detriment in Libra but in Saturn exaltation and saturn rules the 8th house. (look at essential dignities in skyscript). Indeed the pleasure of the crack lead to a very bad spin on things.

But mercury is I think still her, the missing person.

Mercury at 18 degrees is close to jupiter and mars aspect. But Saturn does not aspect at all so I am a tad confused.

If she is mercury she is combust the sun. Implying the sun is so close to her it drowns out her own light, she is essentially unable to make an effort. The sun is in the 6th house of service to others, health, co-workers. The sun is a male, and it rules the end of things or the 4th house. There is more to the story I am afraid..I suspect.

Look at how Jupiter, ruler of the 7th, the moon ruler of fugitives, squares the sun where she is combust. Is there a third party? The fourth house is a fire sign (is this the car on fire?) but mercury is in a water sign.


As to the ascendant. It is simply the degree and sign that is rising at the time of the chart.
To put it simply if you look at the stars they change realy every hour as the earth moves. A different constellation moves in place.

Thus at the time of her last seen and surmised death the sign of Gemini was rising in the sky. This begins the chart reading. WE then can place everything in the chart according to its location and see what houses they are in , their relationships or aspects to each other and if they relate to each other by dignity.

There are a few planets that can imply a meaning as moon is natural ruler of fugitives.

I can relate to your interest in astrology. Event charts follow some of the rules of horary and I would encourage you to read as much as you can on this. Go to Skyscripts site and read up on houses and signs as well as planets. This is a good beginning to follow information.

I have been reading what you wrote over and over. From the best of my ability to determine TOD, what facts I have to this case, I would say that we got it as about as accurate as we are going to get it!!! "The moon rules the 3rd house in the last seen chart. It is visible or on top of the chart. It has opposed jupiter three degrees ago, ruler of the 7th of open enemies thus I wonder if they were already in the car when she came up on them. The moon meeting Uranus four degrees in the future implies they may have meet with an unexpected event " We now know from the police report it was an ambush. So I would dare to say that Uranus was not four degrees in the future. "Look at how Jupiter, ruler of the 7th, the moon ruler of fugitives, squares the sun where she is combust. Is there a third party? The fourth house is a fire sign (is this the car on fire?) but mercury is in a water sign. " Excellent point! I did not see a third party! That would be interesting if that came out. The water sign is also interesting and I am picking up "Gemini crossing Aquarius" (or something like that) if I could only figure out what in the Hank Hill that means!!!

[lillyjgc]

Hi-Do we know for sure she is actually dead?
I'll take agood look at this chart later today...
Lilly

[gemini59]

From what I have read, just briefly, they have not found the body. They have two prisoners who were the culprits of the abduction, who said they killed her and have given the FBI maps to her but no one can find her yet. They killed someone else too during that same time frame and same deal, they gave the FBI a map to her location and they found the first girl. But they can not find the second. The murders were both in November of 2002 when they escaped a prison. The maps and letters were written and sent March of 2009

This is what I understood from what I read and watched on the video.

[MorganaL]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Hi-Do we know for sure she is actually dead?
I'll take agood look at this chart later today...
Lilly

Do you think she is still alive? Her chart says she is still out there? I was trying to cast a chart to locate her body. (plus to learn how to do this) These guys will not tell police where they put her. Chad Fulks sent a map to her mother but it was a fake, nothing was ever found and the search was called off. I figured he is being a typical jerk off and just wants to "get the best" of the police and send them on a wild goose chase. Maybe he really does not know?