Does he want to be with me? Will he call?

[Astrologer4U]

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Chart on the left #1 I ask the question, Does he want to be with me?


I started a thread asking Does he love me, and it was revealed that the answer is yes, he does love me. However, Just because a man loves a woman, and vice versa, does not necessarily mean that he wants to be with her.


I now want to know, does he want to be with me?


Chart on the right #2 I ask the question, Will he call me?


I haven't seen him in 11 days and the last time I heard from him was 4 days ago. He called me but I missed his call, he left a message sounding upset that I didn't answer my phone, I called him back the next day to return his call and to this day, he has made no more effort to call me or see me.

I also would like to know, will he call me?


Astrologer4U

[Astrologer4U]

In chart #1 Does he want to be with me....On the ascendant is Taurus, that represents me the querent. On the Descendnat is Scorpio which represents him the quesited. To answer the question about him, should I look to Pluto?


In chart #2 Will he call me, he is Aries, so should I look to Mars for answer the question of will he call me?



Astrologer4U

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by Astrologer4U

In chart #1 Does he want to be with me....On the ascendant is Taurus, that represents me the querent. On the Descendnat is Scorpio which represents him the quesited. To answer the question about him, should I look to Pluto?

If he is Pluto, Pluto is in the 8th house. Is he obsessed with sex and doesn't feel as though he can fulfill his needs with me? Pluto is also square Saturn which happens to be in the 5th.

Originally Posted by Astrologer4U

In chart #2 Will he call me, he is Aries, so should I look to Mars for answer the question of will he call me?

If he is mars, Mars is in the 11th house, has he not called me because he is to busy with friends who are giving him the attention he requires?



Can someone help me out here?





Astrologer4U



Astrologer4U[/QUOTE]

[HeyPlayGirl]

hmm i am new to hroary but i think there is an opportunity to be with him...your veuns and he is mars, sextile but you are chasing him..his co sig the sun is in your sign. you venus are in his 7th and your cosig the moon is in his 5th house. so yes i think he does. but maybe its not strong since its a sextile and not a conjunct or a trine. so you have to make it happen.

okay the call, yes i think he will call. youre venus. he is mars. youre in his 3rd of communication, i think he is thinking of contacting you. again mars and venus are sextile...im not sure if this means you are gonna end up contacting him or if he will contact you but either way i feel you will get ahold of each other and most likely itll be his call. the moon is in his 12th..it is about to conjunct jupiter so i think the call will start off good but then the last aspects the mon makes are conjunct uranus and opp saturn..maybe it will end in an argument or wont go as you hoped...

good luck, astrologer4u

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by HeyPlayGirl

hmm i am new to hroary but i think there is an opportunity to be with him...your veuns and he is mars, sextile but you are chasing him..his co sig the sun is in your sign. you venus are in his 7th and your cosig the moon is in his 5th house. so yes i think he does. but maybe its not strong since its a sextile and not a conjunct or a trine. so you have to make it happen.

okay the call, yes i think he will call. youre venus. he is mars. youre in his 3rd of communication, i think he is thinking of contacting you. again mars and venus are sextile...im not sure if this means you are gonna end up contacting him or if he will contact you but either way i feel you will get ahold of each other and most likely itll be his call. the moon is in his 12th..it is about to conjunct jupiter so i think the call will start off good but then the last aspects the mon makes are conjunct uranus and opp saturn..maybe it will end in an argument or wont go as you hoped...

good luck, astrologer4u

Thanks for your response. Did you realize that I have to different charts for two different questions?



Chart #1 on the right asks the question, Does he want to be with me?

Chart #2 on the left asks the question, Will he call me?

Also, I haven't seen him in 12 days and I haven't heard from him in about 6 days now so I don't see how I could be chasing him. I have been thinking about going to his house but he lives an hour away and I don't waste my time or gas driving all the way there just to find out that he is not there or is there but with another woman. So, I have been tempted to chase but I haven't. Maybe you mean chase in another way.


Astrologer4U

[Vista]

Originally Posted by Astrologer4U

For those who don't know, This thread is connected to this thread... http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=24563



Chart on the left #1 I ask the question, Does he want to be with me?


I started a thread asking Does he love me, and it was revealed that the answer is yes, he does love me. However, Just because a man loves a woman, and vice versa, does not necessarily mean that he wants to be with her.


I now want to know, does he want to be with me?


Chart on the right #2 I ask the question, Will he call me?


I haven't seen him in 11 days and the last time I heard from him was 4 days ago. He called me but I missed his call, he left a message sounding upset that I didn't answer my phone, I called him back the next day to return his call and to this day, he has made no more effort to call me or see me.

I also would like to know, will he call me?


Astrologer4U

Unfortunately, I think the answer is no to both questions. In both charts the significators are Venus for the querant, and Mars for the questied. In horary, you do not use the outer planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. Venus, you is separating from Mars, him. The Moon ruling action is squaring Venus, showing again a no. In the second chart, the Moon is separating from Venus, again indicating that he will not call. Incidentally, the 3rd house of communication is also ruled by Mars, so again nothing but separating aspects here I am afraid. This does not look very good to me. So sorry!!

[wintersprite1]

I only have a few moments and took a glance at the will he call chart.

The 9th house will be his turned 3rd, as he is the one you are asking about initiating the contact. Cute, your Significator is right in the 9th.... and the 9th is ruled by Gemini, and Mercury is retrograde coming out of the 8th house. Yes, he will call. With the retrograde and the 8th, this may be a difficult thing for him to do, but it also speaks of technology breakdowns, like his phone not working or missing messages and playing phone tag. Your 3rd house of communication is ruled by Jupiter and with the Moon about to conjunct. Communication is on the way. Timing is very difficult with charts, but there are 7 units of time between the Moon and Jupiter, so may be 7 days from when the chart was cast. With you in his house of communication, I think it speaks of you leaving a message the he (retrograde) returns. Let us know when he does and we can look at the chart again for timing.

TK

[Vista]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

I only have a few moments and took a glance at the will he call chart.

The 9th house will be his turned 3rd, as he is the one you are asking about initiating the contact. Cute, your Significator is right in the 9th.... and the 9th is ruled by Gemini, and Mercury is retrograde coming out of the 8th house. Yes, he will call. With the retrograde and the 8th, this may be a difficult thing for him to do, but it also speaks of technology breakdowns, like his phone not working or missing messages and playing phone tag. Your 3rd house of communication is ruled by Jupiter and with the Moon about to conjunct. Communication is on the way. Timing is very difficult with charts, but there are 7 units of time between the Moon and Jupiter, so may be 7 days from when the chart was cast. With you in his house of communication, I think it speaks of you leaving a message the he (retrograde) returns. Let us know when he does and we can look at the chart again for timing.

TK

The third/9th houses are ruled by Mars and Venus, look at the overlap. There is a separating apsect between both rulers and the querant and questied. Perhaps there is a small chance that he will call, but it's unlikely to go anywhere.

Moon, which rules action is also separating from a square to Venus in the turned 3rd house The reason I say that if for some reason he calls, the Moon does conjunct Jupiter, but it also opposes Saturn, which is not good.

[wintersprite1]

Vista,

I don't know what chart you are using.... the two posted, one has Cancer ruling the 3rd... and the one about the phone call has Sag at 2 degrees on the cusp of the 3rd. If you go to the bottom of the chart picture is a small table with the sign and degree of what is on the cusp of the houses.


TK

[Vista]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

Vista,

I don't know what chart you are using.... the two posted, one has Cancer ruling the 3rd... and the one about the phone call has Sag at 2 degrees on the cusp of the 3rd. If you go to the bottom of the chart picture is a small table with the sign and degree of what is on the cusp of the houses.


TK

Oh yes, you are right, my bad!! I didn't look at the chart cusp as indicated on the grid, but rather looked at the chart directly. Yes, i do think he will call, but I still believe not much will come of it with the Moon opposing Saturn shortly afterwards.

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

I only have a few moments and took a glance at the will he call chart.

The 9th house will be his turned 3rd, as he is the one you are asking about initiating the contact. Cute, your Significator is right in the 9th.... and the 9th is ruled by Gemini, and Mercury is retrograde coming out of the 8th house. Yes, he will call. With the retrograde and the 8th, this may be a difficult thing for him to do, but it also speaks of technology breakdowns, like his phone not working or missing messages and playing phone tag. Your 3rd house of communication is ruled by Jupiter and with the Moon about to conjunct. Communication is on the way. Timing is very difficult with charts, but there are 7 units of time between the Moon and Jupiter, so may be 7 days from when the chart was cast. With you in his house of communication, I think it speaks of you leaving a message the he (retrograde) returns. Let us know when he does and we can look at the chart again for timing.

TK

I will definately keep the thread posted as to all the details. The last time he called me, as I said, I had my phone turned off and I am glad that I did because he called me at 3:19 am, due to the message he left, it was obvious that he was very upset that I did not answer my phone. I don't like being disturbed out of my sleep so early in the morning like that and as I said, it is rare that he even bothers to answer his phone. Don't get me wrong, he dose answer his phone but I can almost predict when he is not going to answer which is most of the time. Most of the time he just calls me out of the blue or returns my calls. I last left him a message about 4 days ago, I wonder if he got it due to what you say about the missed communications. Oh well, time will tell. To be quite honest with you, I am a bit fed up with the immaturity but I keep in mind that he is a sun in Aquarius, Sag rising with Mars in the 1st. I am going to post our composite chart, it is quite interesting an truth telling to say the least.


Synastry and composite chart:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...670#post205670


@everyone
Everyone contributing to this thread, thanks a whole lot. I really appreciate the support, help and educational assistance with horary readings. I am studying everything very carefully. Thanks again and please don't stop with the input if you can help it.

Astrologer4U

[wintersprite1]

Originally Posted by Vista

but I still believe not much will come of it with the Moon opposing Saturn shortly afterwards.

Perfection of a matter (where you get your yes or no) happens with significators joining in aspect. This time Ast4u is the Querent (questioner) and the Quested (what is asked about) is the 3rd house.... a communication. The Moon, her cosignificator, is going to conjunct (strongest aspect) the 3rd house Significator and is received by the significator in sign and rulership (all Jupiter) before any aspect is made to any other planet (Saturn is after that.) There is a clean and receptive perfection, so it is yes and with goodwill. If we just look at Mercury the natural significator for communication. It is retrograde and in a fixed sign. The retrograde suggests a returning and the fixed sign assures it will happen, even if begrudgingly, it is set in stone, as to speak.

TK

[Vista]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

Perfection of a matter (where you get your yes or no) happens with significators joining in aspect. This time Ast4u is the Querent (questioner) and the Quested (what is asked about) is the 3rd house.... a communication. The Moon, her cosignificator, is going to conjunct (strongest aspect) the 3rd house Significator and is received by the significator in sign and rulership (all Jupiter) before any aspect is made to any other planet (Saturn is after that.) There is a clean and receptive perfection, so it is yes and with goodwill. If we just look at Mercury the natural significator for communication. It is retrograde and in a fixed sign. The retrograde suggests a returning and the fixed sign assures it will happen, even if begrudgingly, it is set in stone, as to speak.

TK

I get what you are saying and I am not discounting it, but I have seen it written countless times of the Moons last aspect being important in horary. I think the Moon opposition to Saturn is significant. Perhaps it just simply means dissappointment in the outcome of the phone call. It's hard to say.

[Astrologer4U]

No one took a shot at the chart asking the question, Does he want to be with me?
Before Moon leaves the 11th house in the 1st chart on the right, it will oppose Saturn, any thoughts on how that answers the question on weather or not he wants to be with me?


One more thing, just to update, still, no call from him and today, it will be 13 days since I last saw him and 6 days ago that I last heard from him.


I did another horary chart and asked the question, Why hasn't he called me yet? below is the chart...








Astrologer4U

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

I only have a few moments and took a glance at the will he call chart.

The 9th house will be his turned 3rd, as he is the one you are asking about initiating the contact. Cute, your Significator is right in the 9th.... and the 9th is ruled by Gemini, and Mercury is retrograde coming out of the 8th house. Yes, he will call. With the retrograde and the 8th, this may be a difficult thing for him to do, but it also speaks of technology breakdowns, like his phone not working or missing messages and playing phone tag. Your 3rd house of communication is ruled by Jupiter and with the Moon about to conjunct. Communication is on the way. Timing is very difficult with charts, but there are 7 units of time between the Moon and Jupiter, so may be 7 days from when the chart was cast. With you in his house of communication, I think it speaks of you leaving a message the he (retrograde) returns. Let us know when he does and we can look at the chart again for timing.

TK

Okay, so I broke down and text messaged him today, I asked him to please contact me and let me know that he is at least still breathing, I said some other things to but basically I asked him to contact me.

I then called him after texting him and his phone just rang as usual, he did not pick up. I remember the last couple of times we saw each other, he complained about his phone not charging or something to that nature so I took into consideration that he just has not had a way to contact me, so I broke down and I contacted him. (oops, I forgot to leave him my number in case he can't retrieve it from his phone) technology makes it hard for people to remember numbers.

Soon after I made the efforts to contact him, I asked these questions... Did he get my text messages, does he know that I also tried to call him?

The questions seemed legetimate to ask if he is having problems with his phone.... Here is the chart for the questions, Did he get my text messages, does he know that I also tried to calle him?


Any one, please help

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

I only have a few moments and took a glance at the will he call chart.

The 9th house will be his turned 3rd, as he is the one you are asking about initiating the contact. Cute, your Significator is right in the 9th.... and the 9th is ruled by Gemini, and Mercury is retrograde coming out of the 8th house. Yes, he will call. With the retrograde and the 8th, this may be a difficult thing for him to do, but it also speaks of technology breakdowns, like his phone not working or missing messages and playing phone tag. Your 3rd house of communication is ruled by Jupiter and with the Moon about to conjunct. Communication is on the way. Timing is very difficult with charts, but there are 7 units of time between the Moon and Jupiter, so may be 7 days from when the chart was cast. With you in his house of communication, I think it speaks of you leaving a message the he (retrograde) returns. Let us know when he does and we can look at the chart again for timing.

TK

Forgive me for taking so long to update this thread, I have been very busy but I wrote down the day and time that he called me so that when I returned to this thread, all information would be accurate.


Wintersprite, your interpretation has been right on from the very beginning since I first ask the question does he love me in the other thread. You were right, when I ask the question, "will he call me" I had left him previous messages and he had not returned my calls. Any way, I took into consideration that Mercury was retrograde at the time that he and I fell out and during the time that I had left him the messages. Being that mercury was retrograde, when Mercury went direct, I text messaged him telling him that I would like hear for him and if he wanted to get in touch with me, he knew how to reach me... less than 30 minutes, he called me and his call came in May 17th, 2010 at 2:08 pm. He came to see me the next day and every since then, some positive things have been happening between us.

Thank you Wintersprite for taking out the time to give your interpretation. Your interpretation along with your advice about picking your arguments is what helped me to come out of my arrogance and try contacting him again, it's true what the say, love is stronger than pride.


Have you seen me and my friends composite chart, if not, I would like for you to please take a look at it. Overall, the chart is positive, revealing and coming into play in he and I's relationship... the only thing I am a bit concerned with is the Uranus in the 8th house. Saturn in the 4th and Mars in the 12th make a trine to Uranus but Uranus has some challenging aspects forming to our 11th house stellium. Any advice you could give, I would appreciate it.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...670#post205670

Also, could someone tell me what options to hit at Astro.com to get a progressed composite chart?




Astrologer4U

[Astrologer4U]

Me and this guy are back talking again and I first saw him again July 16th, he came over to my house. As it stands, we are cool again but I know that his going off again to be not seen or heard by me is coming soon... It's probably already happening as I type this.





Also, No one took a shot at the chart #1 where I asked the question of, Does he want to be with me? Looking at the chart again, I think the answer is yes, he wants to be with me? I am Venus in the 1st, he is Mars in the 4th. Venus is sextile Mars. Lord of the 4th (where he is) the Sun, is in the 12th in the sign Taurus. To me this means that he wants to be with me but he is not sure about some things. Perhaps he is insecure about himself in some way which could perhaps be confirmed buy the sextile between the Sun and Moon in Pisces.



Astrologer4U


Astrologer4U

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice)
(Following uses whole sign format)

Looking at the known-result chart, #2: by my methods the answer would have been yes, he will call you: because:
-you = asc = Libra = Venus
-him = 7th = Aries = Mars
-his communications activities = 3rd from 7th = Gemini = Mercury
-Venus is in Gemini, his house of communications = + testimony
-dispositor of his communications house, Mercury, moves back toward his signifying sign = + testimony (ruler of quesited #1, his calling, moves back to join quesited #2, him)
-Mercury is disposited by your significator, Venus = +testimony
-Venus chases Mars = + testimony
-Moon chases both dispositors = + testimony
-Venus/Mars in partile sextile = + testimony
-Moon square Venus = - testimony
Results:
Positive testimonies = 6
Negative testimony = 1
Net result = + 5 = definite "yes" answer to the specific question

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign format)

Regarding chart #1, "does he want to be with me?":
-you = asc = Taurus = Venus
-he = 7th = Scorpio = Mars
-any romantic interest on his part = 5th from 7th = Pisces = Jupiter
-Jupiter strong (posited in its domicile and Manilius decan of its rulership)
-Venus chases Mars = + testimony
-both Venus and Mars flee Jupiter = - testimony
-Moon chases all 3 significators = + testimony
-Moon square Venus = - testimony
-Venus partile sextile Mars = + testimony
(Venus is not in square to Jupiter by my criteria-they are outside of orb of square aspect which I follow)
Adding up:
Positive testimonies = 3
Negative testimonies = 2
Net result = +1 = a very mild "yes" answer (I would give, as of the time of the reference horary, a "probably yes" or "yes, to a certain extent" answer to your specific question)

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice)
(Following uses whole sign format)

Looking at the known-result chart, #2: by my methods the answer would have been yes, he will call you: because:
-you = asc = Libra = Venus
-him = 7th = Aries = Mars
-his communications activities = 3rd from 7th = Gemini = Mercury
-Venus is in Gemini, his house of communications = + testimony
-dispositor of his communications house, Mercury, moves back toward his signifying sign = + testimony (ruler of quesited #1, his calling, moves back to join quesited #2, him)
-Mercury is disposited by your significator, Venus = +testimony
-Venus chases Mars = + testimony
-Moon chases both dispositors = + testimony
-Venus/Mars in partile sextile = + testimony
-Moon square Venus = - testimony
Results:
Positive testimonies = 6
Negative testimony = 1
Net result = + 5 = definite "yes" answer to the specific question

You are right, he did call me but I text messaged him first and six hours later he called. Thanks for your interpretation.


Astrologer4U

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign format)

Regarding chart #1, "does he want to be with me?":
-you = asc = Taurus = Venus
-he = 7th = Scorpio = Mars
-any romantic interest on his part = 5th from 7th = Pisces = Jupiter
-Jupiter strong (posited in its domicile and Manilius decan of its rulership)
-Venus chases Mars = + testimony
-both Venus and Mars flee Jupiter = - testimony
-Moon chases all 3 significators = + testimony
-Moon square Venus = - testimony
-Venus partile sextile Mars = + testimony
(Venus is not in square to Jupiter by my criteria-they are outside of orb of square aspect which I follow)
Adding up:
Positive testimonies = 3
Negative testimonies = 2
Net result = +1 = a very mild "yes" answer (I would give, as of the time of the reference horary, a "probably yes" or "yes, to a certain extent" answer to your specific question)

That is very interesting because he told me he feels like he wants to be with me but then he also feels like he doesn't want to be with me. In other words, his feelings are conflicted.



Astrologer4U