Entrance of the Soul seen Astrologically

[Mark]

It's usually impossible to find the date of conception, much less the exact time. It's hard enough to determine the correct physical time of birth. It seems that you would have to examine thousands of people before you could find one that could prove date and time of conception. You also have the problem of "unnatural" birth, meaning odd amounts of time spent in utero. The gestation period of humans is a bit of an average anyway. It just reminds me that the "average person" doesn't actually exist.

Beyond that, my recent research has been changing my opinions on a few things. I've found a couple of Edgar Cayce readings in which soul birth took place after physical birth. So, some individuals experience soul birth prior to physical birth and some after. This contradicts some things I've said on this forum in the past. The time window for soul birth seems to be highly flexible. Further, I've also found a Cayce reading which explicitly states that the physical birth time should be used for horoscopes, not the time of soul birth. The reason given is the fact that the physical birth chart will describe influences and inclinations in the experience of the body, without regard to will.

This seems to infer that the soul chart might include some "defaults" of will. This would necessarily mean that the astrological influences of the soul are in a perpetual state of flux and thus are subject to change according to the will of the individual. I get the feeling that our charts are an inadequate method of talking about astrology that pertains to the soul. It's too rapidly changing and doesn't always throw indicators that we can catch. According to Cayce, what we here know to be astrology should be applied only to the physical birth time. I've read so many lately that it's difficult to sort them, but I believe that statement was in 3744-4.

[Caprising]

The solarfire program for prenatal charts has so far had 2 main aspects between the nodes and the moon for the time of conception, one being nodes conjunct moon, the other being nodes square moon. I don't know why the solarfire program writers have used these 2 positions, maybe Stephanie Johnson (one of the creators) knows something about conception timing that we don't!

Did anyone see the headline recently concerning the earthquake in New Zealand? There were scores of babies born following the quake according to the local hospital. At first one has to consider the trauma the pregnant mothers felt when the quake hit, as trauma can bring on labour early, however, I can't help but wonder if the same "vibrations" or "waves" that were responsible for the quake are also responsible for the timing of births.......

[Jesusistheway]

Dr. farr. is the third seal the culmination of the 1st and 2nd seals? what exactly are the seals in each stage? so the spark enters the 3rd seal or the first?

[dr. farr]

The Spark enters at the time of the first sealing (according to this tradition) and the 3rd sealing is the culmination of the previous 2 sealings; but this 3rd sealing impacts the ectodermal cell level, from which we develop our brain and nerves (and skin), so this 3rd sealing (the Cosmic influences operativeat that time) would have a major impression upon our mind, emotions, senses, personality, and the nerve-communication/program in our body.

[Jesusistheway]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

The Spark enters at the time of the first sealing (according to this tradition) and the 3rd sealing is the culmination of the previous 2 sealings; but this 3rd sealing impacts the ectodermal cell level, from which we develop our brain and nerves (and skin), so this 3rd sealing (the Cosmic influences operativeat that time) would have a major impression upon our mind, emotions, senses, personality, and the nerve-communication/program in our body.

So did the traditional astrologers rectify the chart for the first sealing or the third? I am wondering so I can do it myself. Also how long before one is born to rectify it to the first sealing? I am just curious.

[dr. farr]

Traditional astrology has no recorded reference to this 3 sealings concept-remember it was explained to me by followers of a hermetic society as part of their esoteric tradition. Traditional astrology DOES have certain pre-natal epoch techniques, the first recorded method going back to Ptolemy himself!
But not the 3 sealings concept.

I think rectification to the final (3rd sealing) would be sufficient for experimentation: I think the simplest way might be just going back 90 days from the time of birth (like you accidentally did), erecting the chart, and then setting up a complete mid-point chart using that chart and the actual birth time chart: this might be one way to make a test of this, or to see if that mid-point chart might reveal things (events, attitudes, trends) not seen in the actual birth time chart.

[Jesusistheway]

Thanks I rectified the mid point which is 45 days before the actual date of birth. I'm checking it out right now.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

The Spark enters at the time of the first sealing (according to this tradition) and the 3rd sealing is the culmination of the previous 2 sealings; but this 3rd sealing impacts the ectodermal cell level, from which we develop our brain and nerves (and skin), so this 3rd sealing (the Cosmic influences operativeat that time) would have a major impression upon our mind, emotions, senses, personality, and the nerve-communication/program in our body.

A Doctor pronounced a new born twin boy dead: the child was then given to the mother and father to "say goodbye" but instead of "saying goodbye", the mother cuddled the child for two hours, talking to the child, telling the child his name: after initially gasping for air (when the doctor was informed of this, the doctor said this was "simply a reflex action" that it was 'impossible for the child to be alive') however the child's gasps for air became stronger and stronger and the child lived. http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...89084#38989084

[tsmall]

Interesting. I wonder if the child's actual birth time would need to be adjusted to the moment of that first breath...

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by tsmall

Interesting. I wonder if the child's actual birth time would need to be adjusted to the moment of that first breath...

dr. farr is likely to find this event interesting and may have an informed opinion tsmall - personally my opinion is that the child was alive all along, just in a state of 'hiatus' - dependent entirely on the parents for warmth and encouragement.

[dr. farr]

I'll go with that likelihood, JUPITERASC.

TSMALL: I would adjust the birth time to the first gasping of air by the revived infant

[dr. farr]

refreshing this thread