Neptune conjunction ASC

[jagetoile]

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[wilsontc]

jagetoile,

Neptune dissolves what it touches. With Neptune touching the Ascendant (self), it dissolves the person's sense of themselves. While Neptune is a "generational" planet in that it can affect generations, it also can have a highly personal effect, depending on where it is located in a chart.

Neptunically,

Tim

[Howl]

Tim, does this mean that Neptune in my 6H dissolves any chance of routine??

Jag, my impression (like Tim has explained) is that Neptune by sign is generational, but Neptune by house, and also some aspects, is a more personal influence. Do you have a 12th or 1st house Neptune? I'd be interested to know anyone's take on 12H Neptune, I've recently been looking at a chart with this placement. What does Neptune dissolve in the house of dissolution?? Does this placement subject the native to strong connection with the universal subconscious? Might they not realise it, since what's in the 12th remains 'unseen', even (or especially) by the native?

[Miss Saturn]

Hi Howl,

I keep using you as my victim in my studies of Astrology it's only because I get such excellent feedback from you. Well I was just looking at your chart you have a lot of planets in communication and your work house. I have done a little interpretation, tell me what you think when you have the time.

(Sun Sagittarius) Your essential purpose in life is to further and discover more about whatever it is that is important. You grasp the whole meaning of any subject that appeals to your sizable enthusiasm. You see life as an opportunity so it does not matter how difficult the road ahead may look, for it is still a road and goes places.

(Sun in 6th) This furthering and enthusiasm is applied on some kind of method or technique which you can practice gainful employment. Your self expression of grasping the meaning of subjects is focused on your work environment.

(Mercury Sagittarius) Your mind is searching for the meaning of life and wants to be employed in a meaningful way. You have an enthusiastic way of expressing yourself in the your area of work. You should pursue occupations that involve travel or variety, and that have some social significance. You communicate through your work. Furthering your intellect in the workplace.

(Neptune in 6th) Involve yourself in work which inspires you in some way. You could be inclined to escape through work maybe trying to avoid sticky emotional issues.

(Mars in Virgo) You assert your self best when you have learned and you can use some sort of technique. Whatever you do you do it with thoroughness and precision. You are exacting and this is how you communicate precisely and thoroughly and very direct with what you say. Ultimately, you should be a strong voice which is heard above the rest.

(Saturn Libra) You are learning the art of grace and harmony, developing principles concerning relating and justice. Learning how to compromise without sacrificing your own or anyone else's principles. These lessons mainly focus on your schooling and your daily interactions with others. You communicate factual information. You have a specific mental task to perform and possibly excel in. Relating to others through career in communicating.

(Pluto Libra) your relating intensely in the areas of communication, and transformation is directed to this area of your life, such as education and everyday encounters. You like subjects which require deep thinking. You actually use the written or spoken word to convey your deeper feelings, there is a profound intellectual tone to your communicating.

Howl I haven't forget to type up your Uranus in the 5th, I will get round to it. You know me I am so mutable I am everywhere at the same time.

[psycles]

Hi Jag,

To me, Neptune is the reality beyond our finite 3rd density reality. It represents the Oneness of all creation, and thus individuality loses itself in a greater sense of oneness; this is called dissolution. Neptune on the Ascendent inclines one to strong impressionability, intuition, and deception. It also inclines one toward naivete and psychic abilities that are most often undeveloped. When such an individual becomes aware of their psychic abilities and begins to develop them, they can turn their lives around and become quite helpful to others. This usually takes a lot of honest self-examination and blooms later in life. So much more can be said about it, but this is a good start, i think. best, psycles

[Howl]

Hey miss S,

It took me a while to get here, but here I am, with my response Please, continue to pick on me at any time, I love it!! Jag - I'm sorry, I'm about to seriously hijack your thread! Please forgive me.

Ok, here is how it sounds out for me. Having so much sagittarius/jupiter in my chart, basically anything you could say about saggie sounds right for me. For example:

Your essential purpose in life is to further and discover more about whatever it is that is important...You see life as an opportunity so it does not matter how difficult the road ahead may look, for it is still a road and goes places

sounds so 'true' that I almost assume it's what everyone does (isn't that what you all think too?? ). It's the attitude that underlies practically everything about me.

As for sun in 6H, it took me a little longer to 'associate' with that. I'm not often in a stereotypical workplace for long, and not overly focused on 'gainful employment'. I am more often living a fluctuating existence of study/work/volunteer/travel. I think my lack of strong focus on 'workplace' is true for many reasons, which I will expand upon in a moment. However, when I am 'at work', I do want to excel, to be precise, to distinguish myself faster and further than others by grasping things quicker and better; more comprehensively. Subtlety and breadth! I guess that's the saggie combined with 6H, and those 3H planets. This also applies to study, I guess due to strong 3H/6H/9H theme to my whole chart.

In the thread "Sixth house - What have you got", forum members helped me to explore the idea that 6H is SERVICE more than it is strictly 'work'. That feels more accurate for me. Working for money does not hold my attention, working to contribute to something I believe in, to constructively improve something, makes a whole lot of sense. Unfortunately, opportunities for the former are more abundant than for the latter!!

(Mercury Sagittarius) Your mind is searching for the meaning of life and wants to be employed in a meaningful way. You have an enthusiastic way of expressing yourself in the your area of work. You should pursue occupations that involve travel or variety, and that have some social significance. You communicate through your work. Furthering your intellect in the workplace.

This fits in so many ways I am only really interested in mental work, and only if I can see, value and enjoy the MEANING of what I do. I have tried a million and one things a little bit, mostly connected to communication (teaching/editing/higher study/research analysis). My favourite job to date is as a social research analyst...I get to use my mind in a critical and meaningful fashion concerning humanity and society. perfect! You have no idea how much energy I have for a job like this that engages all the pieces of my 3H/6H saggitarius/libra/Virgo puzzle. Can't believe they pay me, would do it for free

[for 6H Neptune] Involve yourself in work which inspires you in some way. You could be inclined to escape through work maybe trying to avoid sticky emotional issues

Yes, I have been told that 6H neptune indicates 'grand delusion' regarding my role at work. I need to be a dramatically purposeful, yet quietly humble martyr, saving the world with my selflessness (in my imagination, anyway). There is some truth to such claims. I will NEVER stay in a 'boring' job for longer than it takes to save enough cash for a ticket to (anywhere else). Despite the fact that I love peope, I also don't last long in jobs with very high interaction. For example, teaching. Love my students, but feel utterly 'cornered' having to be centre-of-attention all the time. Planets in the 6H, especially Neptune but also the Sun, require a little space to themselves, something to hide behind. I'm not shy, but I am secretly an introvert. I need more of me than I can handle of other people So I guess you could say, I try to escape within work, avoiding over-stimulation by the outside world of people. Work I get to do in my head, by myself. Maybe it's for people, and about people, but preferably not with people all the time.

(Mars in Virgo) You assert your self best when you have learned and you can use some sort of technique. Whatever you do you do it with thoroughness and precision. You are exacting and this is how you communicate precisely and thoroughly and very direct with what you say. Ultimately, you should be a strong voice which is heard above the rest

You know, I do hope this is true. I do assert myself intellectually, which is where mars is by house, with more confidence because I have been studying for long enough to establish faith in my mental sharpness. Basically, I would believe no one who called me stupid The only thing I really do with thoroughness and precision is think!! In my third year of primary school, I got 100% in every single test. That is what I think of when I picture 3H Virgo Mars. I don't know if I am a voice above the rest. I am not shy, but not overly outspoken about my views. I think Mars sharing 3H with Saturn and Pluto tempers its 'assertive' and 'forthright' tendencies, bringing more strategic caution.

As you've mentioned with Pluto and Saturn in Libra, yes, I am concerned with (social) justice and balance, and I do communicate regarding this sort of topic in my work. Pluto adds a reformist edge. For example, in my current job I get to research top companies and critique their performance in terms of social responsibility; human rights abuses, social impact of their business operations, links with unstable governments overseas, any scandals, social reporting etc. I also end up writing a lot of essays about HIV, women's health in developing countries, etc, for uni.

for pluto in libra: your relating intensely in the areas of communication...You like subjects which require deep thinking. You actually use the written or spoken word to convey your deeper feelings

Yes, I certainly LOOK for intensity/profundity in my personal conversations with people. I'm only really interested in values, feelings, not chatter. Miss S, did you write these interpretations yourself? I've never read "use written and spoken word to convey your deeper feelings" for Pluto in Libra. I really do, very much so, but only in very personal conversations and writings. I have a suitcase full of journals I have been writing since 10 years old, and finish a journal about every six months!! I have often wondered where exactly this obsessive writing sits in my natal chart....

I also often hope for a more 'open' outlet for my creative writing. For now it's mostly for me - I don't have the time to publish as well as study and work! I am looking forward to a time in my life where I can release the writing, so to speak Do you have any recommendation for how I can better employ 3H Libra Pluto?? I guess to me it seems so close to 'home' (nadir!!) I can't imagine making it public at this stage - how to write for an audience. I want to though.

Ok, I'm done Thanks Miss S, if I take the key points from your interpretation, I have a very clear summary of the 3H/6H focus. To me, the planets and thier placements suggest a need to balance idealism with practical use, precision with the bigger picture, and social concern with communicative self-expression in order to make a vocation out of it all!!

I have a question for you. Jupiter is ruler of my 6H (and saggie stellium). It is in the 4H, in Scorpio, conjunct nadir. How do you think this placement might be important for me? (my twin has jupiter 3H, and is currently making a fortune in partnership with our older brother...siblings belong to 3H!!)

[Miss Saturn]

Hi Howl,

great reply lots I can work with. I think with Mars in Virgo 1st, I interpreted the meanings of the planets separately. I am still practising on how to apply astrology so I didn't want to get too overwhelmed with bringing in aspects and even other planets in the same house. But yes the heavier planets in your house would have to be weighed up in interpretation. I am still very much in the learning phase.

I incorporated the 3rd house in to the Pluto in Libra meaning and the other planets as well I just forgot to note it down (Heavy Pisces). For Pluto in Libra I just used Tim's method for the first key phrase (Relating to others intensely in areas of communication) because the Pluto in Libra means pretty much the same for lots of people with that placement. I added on the Pluto in 3rd house meaning at the end. Just trying to bring it all together.

For your Pluto in 3rd - here is another meaning from my book, might possibly help. Or just another interpretation to think about.

You are torn over whether to follow your baser instincts to communicate, or satisfy your need to keep your deeper thoughts to yourself. You can use this skill to be a researcher or a detective. There is a sibling rivalry where you either love or loathe your brother or sister, with no in between.

Know who your friends are and always be aware that things can change abruptly. Someone you trust and believe in one minute could suddenly turn and become sinister and evil towards you the next. With that in mind, always keep something in reserve and keep those very important and sensitive matters locked away. Be secretive, keep your own counsel and don't get involved in slanging matches. Just one word out of place could result in libel or slander.

This probably never really helped you in using your 3rd house Pluto but if I find anything that will help I will post it back here.

On your Scorpio Jupiter - Your faith is discovered in crisis situations. So what or who pushes you to your limits is what you find irresistible. Whatever you are after in life is probably lying deep somewhere, either in earth, water or most likely in the mind or soul.

As ever with Scorpio placements, there is an all or nothing quality about them. And as Jupiter itself has to do with excess, you life will be punctured with great highs and lows. The big question is whether the ultimate payback is worth the investment, especially in emotionally terms. In other words, your undeniable ability to get what you want out of people and things could find you wealthy but not necessarily happy. What would prevent this dilemma from occurring is the purging of any greed or dubious ulterior motives.

All the above apply it to the 4th house - You have inherited this brand of faith and philosophy. This means that it is in your blood and so therefore you are not that conscious of it, it is just there. At some stage it may well be necessary for you to become more aware of the nature of this inheritance because either it is a negative faith and it is doing you no good, or it is positive and you are not making the most of it. A sign of innate faith or luck can be seen in your domestic affairs and where you live. Your abode may well be large, mobile or involve human growth activities.

Possibly your transforming your faith/Philosophies within your home concerning your roots, transforming beliefs in your private life inner world. With your Jupiter and Pluto on an angle makes these planets significantly important. Also with Jupiter ruling your 6th House all this may involve your work/service.

Miss S

[Brooklyn Dave]

Tim--- I also suffer from a 12th house Neptune in Scorpio. I do not consider myself psychic by any means. I am much more head centered (lots of air in chart) but thee are some things I am intuitive about....but most of that intuition revolves around self protection and knowing what not to get involved in. my stats 2/8/58 NYC 1145p Brooklyn Dave

[Claire19]

Neptune in Leo 1st house, dreams of performing and dancing. Neptune in Virgo 1st house, obsessive compulsive clean freak. Remember that Neptune is addiction, escapism and delusion. Problem with feet, childhood circumstances where secrecy abounds. Deception about birth circumstances.
Born near water, religious life strong in childhood. Depends on sign and aspects.

Claire

[Claire19]

Re 6th house issues, it is not strictly work, but daily routines and how we get our needs met for food, clothing and shelter. It deals with health, hygiene, pets and techniques used for employment purposes. It is the bread and butter house. It is essentially practical and ruled by the Earth sign Virgo and the night ruler of Mercury and perhaps Vulcan.


Claire

[AlluringFish]

Originally Posted by psycles

Neptune on the Ascendent inclines one to strong impressionability, intuition, and deception. It also inclines one toward naivete and psychic abilities that are most often undeveloped. When such an individual becomes aware of their psychic abilities and begins to develop them, they can turn their lives around and become quite helpful to others. This usually takes a lot of honest self-examination and blooms later in life. So much more can be said about it, but this is a good start, i think. best, psycles

I have this same aspect as well and I do agree that it does incline one toward strong intuition. it is also true that once i became aware of them and started to develop them, it really helped focus my desire to help others in an amazing way. For me though, it didn't bloom later in life. I think other positions in my chart may have led to a sooner discovery such as Uranus in the 12th house as well as the fact that Neptune and Pluto are strong in my chart.

[jag]

hi all

well i never heard it refered to as suffering from neptune. it can be good or it can be bad; i thought there was something called freewill. like someone said my sun trine neptune could mean addiction problems but in my case it's opened me up spiritually and metaphysically. so it could hvae went either way. i also have a fixed t-square where the missing leg is opposite 12th h neptune in 6th house ruled arie which makes this really tough because i don't "see" or "feel" creativity at work... i have creativity but not at work i see it more in the 12th house. i'm grateful for the sufferingof the 12th house neptune. althogh i really think the person who suffers alot with neptune is those who have it in the 1st house. would they "kid" themselves into thinking they were something they weren't. i'm not sure becaue i don't have that there but have seen this to be somewhat true from someone who had 1st house neptune or in horary charts that the person is kidding themselves into thinking they want the answer but really want the chart rigged to turn out in their favor no matter what the cost is. neptune has been kind i think to me and instead of lapsing into multiple personalities as a kid from the intense family abuse, i was able to escape throgh dreams and through fantasy. i was able to be creative and not get locked into reality but i was also aware when iwasn't "in reality" and was using creativity as an escape but didn't come off as a looney tune because i kept my escapism to myself and i had no money or access to drugs to escape as i got older through chemicals.

so i can see both sides of neptune and am glad i had the opportunity for freewill to kickin and even though metaphysical stuff was frowned upon in my circle of friends/family and still is condemned by those who are very religious as being the devil's work which makes me laugh because it's 2006 and the witch trials have been over for centuries. i'm glad i was able to fly below the radar and get started on metaphysical items of interest. i also see a hypnotist that had a priest who was given permission by an elder to take the course and even though he was supportive to not expect anyone in the parish to be. maybe that's why i do feel suffering because i don't have a hobby or interest or belief that is widely accepted and i find it rewarding. i also think metaphysical stuff will bust wide open in maybe the next 10 years like alternative health options have. so maybe that's where the 12th house neptune's "suffer" in their path of learning and interest without being taken as kooks or dishonorable people becaue they are gong against the bible but we're not and any good metaphysical person gives all credit to god and take none themselves when they have hit things dead on or solved a myserty though metaphysics.

okay i'll get off mysoap box now but i had seen this and figure i could add my take and what i've experienced on this subject. i find it so draining havng to defend astrology and its validity to the world. i'm mentally drained right now and i'm not defending this against anyone against this board but those who aren't on the board. now that is a neptune 12th house burden!
SMILES
jag

[foreteller]

when Neptune conjuncts ASC, be careful not confuse the map with the territory. things look much different than they really are in real life.

[deanna]

I have Neptune conj Asc as well. Neptune is at home in the 12th house. Another thing to mind are drugs and drink. I will be sober for a year on Jan 10th. Here is what Bob Marks has to say about it:
Neptune Aspecting the Asc:
The conjunction gives you a dreamy and spacey look. Even if you are not a Pisces Sun-Sign, you probaby get mistaken for one. You are constantly starting off in one direction and winding up in another. Alcohol and you don't agree, so stay away. This goes double for drugs. Neptune people are always trying to escape the mundane. Do it with your imagination instead.

[foreteller]

Originally Posted by deanna

You are constantly starting off in one direction and winding up in another.

It haapend to me every time I was out of my home land (Israel) and in my Academic studies as well.

starting off in one direction and winding up in another.:34:
Dreamy Neptune is in my 9th house of course.

Thanks God it is well aspected.

[foreteller]

deanna
we have fated...
your moon-sun and my moon-sun on the Leo-Tau Squ...
no doubt we met in past life.