Will a Door Open For Me to Leave the House I'm Living In Within Next 6 Weeks?

[freedomlover]

I've been wanting to leave the place I'm currently living at for a LOOOONG time now. I remembered a dream I'd had a few years back that said something about being at a place for 19 months. I'm wondering if it was referring to this time period I'm living here, so I asked a horary. April will make 19 months, so I asked through the end, with a little padding, to be on the safe side - 6 weeks. I guess what I'm asking is to move anywhere else, get new housemates, etc. I don't really have a place known that I'd be moving to... it is more of a "will the door open up to live elsewhere... with other housemates or alone.. just someplace other than here with these people".

I find the chart interesting...

Yes, the ascendant degree is late.. but No, I do NOT already know the answer or I wouldn't be asking.....

I am Mars at 29' Leo in the 8th, cusp of 9th. The place I'm currently living is Jupiter at 15' Pisces, in the 4th house. Since I'm asking basically, will I be changing housemates/neighbors.. the ruler of the 3rd house is Saturn, which is retrograde at 1' Libra in the 10th. Mars and Saturn are sextile, although slightly separating.

Moon rules the intercepted 8th house, and is at 26' Cancer in the 8th. It is in an inconjunct with Neptune, co-ruler of my 4th house, in the 3rd house. That seems to say that my needs are not being met with my current housemates/neighbors - need some new ones. Moon will then trine Uranus, which is co-ruler of the 3rd house, and in my 4th. It will then change signs, and immediately conjunct my sig of Mars in Leo in the 8th, cusp of the 9th. But I think it will square Saturn in Libra slightly before it conjuncts Mars in Leo.

There are no aspects being made to the ruler of the 4th in the 4th - Jupiter in Pisces.

I know 7th house is generally taken for the place I would be moving to, but that would be if a house is known, I would think.... "Will I move to such and such location.. how would I like it, etc....".. This is more about the people I'm surrounded by, and my desire to exchange them for some others... Also, I'm only asking if the door will open by then.. NOT will I actually make the move...

Anyway... all the connections seems to point towards a "yes".. what say the rest of you?

Thanks to all who will add their 2 cents worth...

(keep clicking on the chart to enlarge)

[freedomlover]

I forgot to comment on the timing as the chart seems to indicate....

This is a guideline I was given to go by,( according to Derek Appleby):

Moon in a cardinal sign: and angular house = days
and succedent house = weeks
and cadent house = month

Moon is in a Cardinal sign ( Cancer) and in a succedent house (8th). Moon is applying to my sig of Mars in Leo in a little under 5 somethings ( although there IS a change of signs involved) So it would seem to be a little under 5 weeks.

The date of the question was March 24th. There is, I think, appx. 4.33 weeks in a month... so a little under 5 weeks would translate to one month and a few days.... That would take me very close to the end of April, as far as timing goes. I think that would be under the beams of the Full Moon in Scorpio. I have moved house several times in my life under a Full Moon in Scorpio.

Comments?

[Neptune Rising]

Hi Freedomlover

I'll have a go

You are Mars, late ascendant could show a change about to happen.

Moon in the 8th house shows your worries about this, or your need for borrowing money. Moon in Cancer is strong though and I think this discounts the otherwise voidness. Moon also trines the ascendant, showing an ease of actions, I have found this sometimes shows a yes also.

Uranus I 'll consider because Moon shortly trines this. Could show a general instability in your current home associate with a change of residence. Moon/Uranus suggests a yes.

In 6 degrees Mars conjuncts the POF in the 9th house, could that be some good news in regards to legal issues that might be involved in this?

Moon I think translates lights from Jupiter to Mars. If I discount the void by Moon being in Cancer, then after conjunt to Mars, it trines Sun (yes), trines Mercury (other people's money), then trines Venus the new house. Maybe in just over a month you move - the degrees from Moon to Venus. Venus also moving into Taurus where it is much stronger and happier. Mars also now direct so things can move foward.

[freedomlover]

QUOTING NEPTUNE RISING:

Hi Freedomlover

I'll have a go

Thank you!!!!!

You are Mars, late ascendant could show a change about to happen.

Moon in the 8th house shows your worries about this, or your need for borrowing money. Moon in Cancer is strong though and I think this discounts the otherwise voidness. Moon also trines the ascendant, showing an ease of actions, I have found this sometimes shows a yes also.

Aah, yes! Moon trines Ascendant - I TOTALLY missed that one!

Uranus I 'll consider because Moon shortly trines this. Could show a general instability in your current home associate with a change of residence. Moon/Uranus suggests a yes.

Thank God! Really I couldn't shake that Moon/Uranus trine either - looks pretty definite - and imminent! How do you work timing when it's in arc minutes? It's 29 arc minutes - I wonder if that is 29 days till the opportunity arrives?

In 6 degrees Mars conjuncts the POF in the 9th house, could that be some good news in regards to legal issues that might be involved in this?

There are no legal proceedings that I'm a part of. Could 9th house represent anything else? I am really, really wanting to move to another state that is 500 miles away. I wonder if the POF is saying that I'll get my wish. Both Moon and Mars will conjunct it without interference, although I think the Sun, ruler of the 9th, will trine it before Mars gets there - Moon, then Sun, then Mars.

Moon I think translates lights from Jupiter to Mars. If I discount the void by Moon being in Cancer, then after conjunt to Mars, it trines Sun (yes), trines Mercury (other people's money), then trines Venus the new house. Maybe in just over a month you move - the degrees from Moon to Venus. Venus also moving into Taurus where it is much stronger and happier. Mars also now direct so things can move foward.

It does sound very promising, doesn't it? I'm still trying to understand translation of light. What are the allowable degrees - Moon separated from Jupiter 11 somethings ago? Also.. are you are counting "backwards" from Moon's square to Venus in Aries - which is about 4 somethings? Or are you counting from a future trine, after Moon changes signs.. which is like 26 somethings? That would come close to the time frame of the arc minutes from Moon to Uranus.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I don't see you going anywhere within that time frame.

The Ascendant and its lord are both in Fixed signs, Mars is peregrine and cadent, all arguments against moving. The Moon is void, suggesting the matter goes hardly on which means little chance of moving. The Seventh house signifies the place where you'd go, and Venus is detrimented in Aries, having no aspect to the Ascendant or to any planet that signifies you (Mars or the Moon).

Don't rely on the sextile from the Moon to the Seventh house cusp, that just signifies desire to move, but doesn't bring it about.

[Neptune Rising]

I could be wrong, hands up, but I thought Lilly said Moon still performs in Cancer, cancelling the voidness?

I also noticed Jupiter, the current house is the stronger of the two options currently.

I can't really comment about your natal chart in this thread, but timing wise I think Freedomlover, just over a month the chance is there.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I could be wrong, hands up, but I thought Lilly said Moon still performs in Cancer, cancelling the voidness?

But she's going to move to being besieged by the malefics, so it's either the matter goes hardly on, or the matter gets destroyed.

[freedomlover]

Thank you ,Kai and Neptune Rising, for your replies. I will keep you posted.

I'm also interested if anyone else has any viewpoints in this chart. If so, please feel free to add your input.

[freedomlover]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

But she's going to move to being besieged by the malefics, so it's either the matter goes hardly on, or the matter gets destroyed.

"Besieged by the malefics".. hmmm....that pretty much sums up how I feel here, and why I want to move!

[freedomlover]

Originally Posted by Olivia

I think there's something wrong with your chart. And that may be what the late ascendant is signifying.

It happens sometimes, and I don't know why, but you should be able to read the current situation and recent past from a horary, and when you can't, you usually can't read the future from it either. You say the place you're living now is awful, yet it's represented by Jupiter in Pisces on 4. That's Jupiter in rulership - doesn't get much better than that, and it's conjunct the very benefic fixed star Achernar. The Sun's in 4, too, and exalted. Another good sign.

The new place would be Venus conjunct Mercury (nice) but given Venus is in detriment, not so nice, and the Moon coming up to conjunct Venus's dispositor, Mars in Leo - that'd be the place for the brawls and arguments, not where you are now.

None of which matches what you're describing. I wouldn't want to try to make a judgement off this chart, not when you really look at it.

Thank you very much for your insight on the chart, Olivia. I see what you are saying.

Let me give you the "downside" of Jupiter in Pisces. Jupiter can rule excess, right? Well, this place has an "excess" of the downside of Pisces.
My housemates live like total pigs. Put it this way, when I moved in here, there were no cleaning products in the house. There was mold growing everywhere and resulting toxins emanating in the air. One of the teenagers residing here has insisted on flooding the air with heavy cologne that I'm really allergic to. One person when they cook, does not wash their hands when they handle raw chicken and pork before they touch everything else in the kitchen. The place is total chaos - nothing in order - clutter eveywhere. Are you getting the picture? I'm not a neatfreak by any stretch of the imagination, but I do keep the place relatively clean and in order, if it were just me in it - neat and clean, but lived-in. This place is ridiculous. I've been stuck here because I've been too ill to move and also because of lack of finances. Otherwise, I wouldn't come near this place!

The only "benefit" if it is that I can rest here. They are so lazy, that they don't care if I don't do any work either - which works out really well in the matter of me needing lots of rest/sleeping lots of hours in order to recover from this illness.

So, actually, Jupiter in Pisces describes it pretty well.
Does that change the way you would read the chart?

Also, the way I'm reading the chart, the Moon/Mars conjunction in the 8th is what has to come to a head here. Then both sigs move into the 9th house, which I'm coming to believe is my long-awaited ticket to the place I want to live 500 miles away.

Thanks again for your input!

[freedomlover]

Originally Posted by Olivia

Filth, rotting food, and the kinds of excesses you're describing are usually indicated by an afflicted Saturn - Jupiter conjunct Achernar bringing this about is a new one on me.

But you learn something everyday. I do wish you the best in this endeavour, however it turns out.

Well, as I stated in my first post, I was reading it as wanting to get "new housemates/neighbors" to live with. I used the sig for 3rd house, which covers housemates/neighbors - and it IS an afflicted Saturn - it is retrograde - rules the 2nd, too - physical comfort. It's at 1 degree Libra -are there any afflicting stars there? I know Saturn is exalted or something in Libra, but when retrograde - not so much. I definitely don't "gel" with my housemates - at all.

Thanks for the well wishes, Olivia!

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

Also, the way I'm reading the chart, the Moon/Mars conjunction in the 8th is what has to come to a head here. Then both sigs move into the 9th house, which I'm coming to believe is my long-awaited ticket to the place I want to live 500 miles away.

Freedomlover
I wish you well my dear! It sounds awful, I really empathise with you about awful living places. I hope your feeling better now btw. Interesting that Jupiter doesn't show a positive home in your case, you would know better than anyone else though. Jupiter also rules your 2nd house, is your money situation improving, or is that your self worth improving?

[freedomlover]

quoting Neptune Rising:

Freedomlover
I wish you well my dear! It sounds awful, I really empathise with you about awful living places. I hope your feeling better now btw. Interesting that Jupiter doesn't show a positive home in your case, you would know better than anyone else though. Jupiter also rules your 2nd house, is your money situation improving, or is that your self worth improving?

Thank you for the understanding.. Yes, this is why I've had such compassion for your situation - been there, done that, bought the t-shirt!
I think that, as of right now, the 2nd house showing well in the chart is my improving self-worth. I'm realizing I do NOT deserve to live like I'm having to live here! Hopefully money situation will follow suit.

quoting Olivia

You say the place you're living now is awful, yet it's represented by Jupiter in Pisces on 4. That's Jupiter in rulership - doesn't get much better than that, and it's conjunct the very benefic fixed star Achernar. The Sun's in 4, too, and exalted. Another good sign.

I checked fixed stars and cannot find anything malefic around 1' Libra.
Then it hit me... I let the other post-ers on the thread pull me off of the way I originally looked at it. I do not own the house I currently live in, nor am I in any kind of relationship with the others living here that would classify me in a relationship that would make the house "my home". I'm only here because I lost my home years ago, when I fell ill. This is a different bird than the average living situation horary.

If you'll re-read the post I initially made, I did not talk about the home, I talked about getting "new neighbors/housemates" - which is a third house thing. If you look at it that way, the 4th house doesn't enter play, except as the end of the matter. Jupiter being conjunct the fixed star Achernar shows that the end of the matter will be beneficial, I would think -that I will get my wish of a peaceful, happy, blessed ( and clean! LOL) home to live in.

Additionally, I've found that the 4th house is the "root of the matter" - and the end of the matter is always in the root of the matter. I have past-life karma with the person whose name the house is registered in. Achernar has much to do with religious themes. I had past life karma with this person - and have been told that this is why I'm here. So the root of the matter is the karma ( Jupiter in Pisces conjunct Achernar - religious themes- this person was partially responsible for my being burnt at the stake as a witch in a past life). And the end of the matter is that karma being resolved, which will release me from that situation. (Again Jupiter in Pisces conjunct Achernar - a beneficial star). If you want any further evidence, I just found out today, when I was doing a different chart, and had some name asteroids plugged in.... that currently the name asteroid of this person I have karma with is exact (partile - thank you, Olivia!) conjunct Jupiter. As of the time of the question, it was partile conjunct within 30 arc minutes. The asteroid is moving faster than Jupiter, so the arc minutes will become exact in about 30 somethings, as well.

So, if you look at the horary from the point of view of WHY I asked the question - then Jupiter in Pisces conjunct Achernar makes perfect sense!

This will be a good learning horary, when we see how it plays out.

Thank you all for your input - it is much appreciated, whether you agree with me or not. I like to look at all sides of an issue.

[Moradiva]

Hi Freedomlover
I just LOVE your spin on horary! Your thought process is like a journey! I always think, "where she going with this??" & then.....it all makes sense. Yes, it'll be interesting how this all plays out.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

So, if you look at the horary from the point of view of WHY I asked the question - then Jupiter in Pisces conjunct Achernar makes perfect sense!

Maybe, but this isn't "psychological horary" and even if it were, it isn't going to give you a real-world answer.

Your original question that I can see was

I guess what I'm asking is to move anywhere else, get new housemates, etc.

Now the super-late ascendant makes sense.

Olivia and I have both come to the conclusion that you aren't moving anywhere, but getting new housemates is, indeed, a completely different topic. The Third house is in the fixed sign Aquarius, ruled by the ponderous Saturn, so it doesn't look like housemates are going to change either.

I can't find any mention of the star Achernar relating much to karma anyway. Being significant of religious success is not the same as being linked with karma, and even if it were, I don't think there's much benefit from being in the same house as someone who was responsible for your death in a previous life, so it doesn't seem to make that much sense. I guess that doesn't matter so much. It could have been more appropriate to say that the house being Jupiter in Pisces suggests the house is in good working condition, sound in structure, and built on good ground, it being on Achernar might suggest that there was a natural water source on the property, as would the Pisces symbolism. Just tossing in ideas there.

[freedomlover]

quoting: Kaiousei no Senshi

Maybe, but this isn't "psychological horary" and even if it were, it isn't going to give you a real-world answer.

We shall see about that - I will keep the thread updated.

Your original question that I can see was:

"I guess what I'm asking is to move anywhere else, get new housemates, etc."

Now the super-late ascendant makes sense.

Olivia and I have both come to the conclusion that you aren't moving anywhere, but getting new housemates is, indeed, a completely different topic. The Third house is in the fixed sign Aquarius, ruled by the ponderous Saturn, so it doesn't look like housemates are going to change either.

Well, I wasn't referring to exchanging actual housemates, and keeping the same house. I also used the term "neighbors" - which is pointing to my desire to be around more loving/like-minded people. It's the people I have the problem with, NOT the house/land itself.

I can't find any mention of the star Achernar relating much to karma anyway. Being significant of religious success is not the same as being linked with karma, and even if it were, I don't think there's much benefit from being in the same house as someone who was responsible for your death in a previous life, so it doesn't seem to make that much sense. I guess that doesn't matter so much.

Well, knowing your embedded stance on the way horary is to be done, I would not expect you to agree with my outline of what I believe the chart to be saying. We are coming from two opposite ends of the spectrum here.

It could have been more appropriate to say that the house being Jupiter in Pisces suggests the house is in good working condition, sound in structure, and built on good ground, it being on Achernar might suggest that there was a natural water source on the property, as would the Pisces symbolism. Just tossing in ideas there.

The good ground I would agree with - it is a nice piece of property with good energy. When it is warm enough to go outside a good portion of the day, it doesn't bother me so much to live here. There is a well on the property that is no longer used since city water came in. The house itself is a different matter. It was not well-built in the first place, and has not been well-maintained at all. Central air is broken, windows jammed, blinds falling apart, paint peeling, etc, etc.

Thank you for your viewpoint, Kai.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

We shall see about that - I will keep the thread updated.

No no no, I may not have been very clear of my meaning. What I meant was that regardless of what the final outcome of the situation is, knowing the psychological reasons of why you asked the question and other such things will not give you the yes/no answer that you seek.

[freedomlover]

One other thing I thought of to clarify.. I did NOT ask "Will I be moving?" What I DID ask was if "a door would open". That is stating that I know something has to change before I can move, so will that something occur in the next 6 weeks?

If you'll look at it this way, the standard rules about using 7th house for place you're moving to do not apply - because I'm asking about something changing and a door of opportunity opening - NOT about making an actual move.

I knew that there would be the tendency to not make the distinction, and that is why I tried to explain in my original post. I guess I didn't do a very good job. Also, I've got so distracted responding to the posts of it being read as a moving house question, that I had to re-center myself. (My Jupiter Rx in Gemini is easily distracted/pulled off course.) I said, "Will a DOOR OPEN for me to leave the house I'm currently living in in the next 6 weeks?" I DID NOT say: "Will I move house in the next 6 weeks?" See the difference?

In the back of my mind, I was thinking about the karmic situation here, and was wondering if there would be a resolution that would open the door to leave.

I hope that helps to make the question clearer for everybody.

[freedomlover]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

No no no, I may not have been very clear of my meaning. What I meant was that regardless of what the final outcome of the situation is, knowing the psychological reasons of why you asked the question and other such things will not give you the yes/no answer that you seek.

Yes, Kai, the meaning was not clear. Thank you for trying to clarify.

It may not give the yes/no answer that you're looking for, but it will help people to understand the energies of the chart, and the real question I was asking. I wouldn't really use the term "psychological" in this case, anyway. It's more like "background information".

Are we on the same page yet?