Sex? Sex? Sex?

[jenluvsblackcat]

Sorry if the title of this thread suggested more than it will actuall deliver. LOL.
Any how, there is a friend of mine who I suspect has a sexual interest in me. However, one moment he's friendly and suggestive, and the next moment-he isn't. (This is the story of my life, let me tell you!) Let's just say he keeps me guessing far too much for me to make a move. I don't want to ruin our friendship by making an uncalculated sexual approach. I want to know if my friend has sexual feelings for me?

Thanks everyone!

[Summery Joy]

I don't know whether to use the ruler of the 5th house (Saturn) or the 11th house (Sun) to signify him, but both rulers do not apply to any aspect with your significator (Venus). Saturn does, however, receive Venus by triplicty and term while the Sun doesn't receive Venus at all

Even if we consider natural rulership (Mars and Venus), we can see that the sextile will be intervened by the Moon.

Also, the final lunar aspect is an opposition with Mercury Rx.

Here's my 2 cents: He kinda likes you (the reception), but you might wanna wait a bit because a move right now could cause or be caused by a huge misunderstanding (the final lunar aspect).

EDIT: If we follow the rules of is the rumour true; does he really like me? The answer is no. None of the angles is fixed. The Moon is not fixed. Mercury is not fixed (and is in Rx motion, mind you!). Only the dispositor of the Moon is fixed.

However, "s the rumour true?" rulesshould not be applied at all times, so it might be incorrect to look at the chart the way. I still insist that you should act wisely to avoid any misunderstanding.

Maybe you should wait until Mercury goes back direct to make sure that no hazy signals are in the air.

[Francesca]

Just intuitively, I would say wait like Sorehearted says, but because of Neptune in the 5th and the connections it makes. Give him time to clear his head/motivations.

[jenluvsblackcat]

Thanks Ladies!
I'm going to hold out on charging into this one until good old Mercury is back in the proper orbit. To say that he is confused about his feelings would probably explain this guy's hot and cold tendancies. And I'm not so sure that, "is the rumor true" is applicable here in my situation. No one has told me, "Hey Jen, I think so-and-so wants to ride you into the sunset!" LOL. I just have a gut inclination, followed by logic and reason. What I find to be funny is that there is no definite answer here in the chart. It can go either way! Chalk up another point to Merc. Rx. Furthermore, Neptune=illusions and confusions. **** Mercury Rx. Everything is so foggy!

Once again thanks, and when does Mercury go back to normal???
Jen

[archergirl]

A similar question was asked this morning, with similar results. Mercury goes direct again at the very end of July, so you've got a couple more weeks.

Oh, and Jen? Carly Simon says, 'vain', not 'vein'. A vein is the tube your blood gets pushed through.

[jenluvsblackcat]

Archergirl,
fixed the vains. LoL

[Solastro]

Ah a 'horary'.. I mean a *'John Frawley' question.. yes he says it how it really is!! All those jokes about Kylie Minogue wanting to conjunct with him.. LOL.. I still remember laughing my head off after listening to one of his horary lectures.. also he would say that not being able to read a chart is rubbish Mercury retrograde or what ever!! Anyway.. how happy are all the planets.. & where do there interests really lie?? Who are these players in this Shakespearean drama.. & what are their motives?? are they in good houses as well? ie. do they have the ability to do as they like or are they restricted etc..

Well *Venus the chart ruler('the querant') is in Gemini.. the sign of it's fall.. so it's suggests the person may not be that happy at the moment.. however it's in the 9th house.. so we have good accidental dignity for Venus here.. who does Venus really fancy.. Well anything in Venus Pisces or Taurus.. can't see much there except Uranus in Pisces(which is a ficticious planet in his eyes.. or rather I mean 'traditional astrology' as it should be!! so it doesn't exist)..

Meanwhile 'the other' is always represented by the 7th house.. does this person fancy me etc.. well *Mars is in Leo.. Mars has some small dignity at the moment in this sign.. suggesting they are moderately happy.. but there is a lot of accidental dignity.. however this person loves or is pretty attracted to *Jupiter in Scorpio.. as Mars loves anything in Aries or Scorpio.. (it's ruling sign, NB.currently square Mars by sign but they have 'seperated') still these two planets are in a bit of 'mutual reception'.. by term & ruler.. but Mars is really not too keen on Venus in Gemini.. also *the Moon in Capricorn.. another character in 'our story'(Edit; no actually this is how our querant feels at 'this moment' in time).. loves Mars (ie. exalts Mars).. also the Moon loves *the Sun in Cancer.. another signifier for this man in question.. but who does the Sun love.. he loves himself, ie. Mars in Leo.. at least perhaps his sexual ability(Mars) since the Sun in Cancer is not that happy.. so there's a bit of a split here.. also he really loves Saturn in Leo.. whom he has just left.. also Mars does have some small amount of dignity in the 11th house.. & yes there is 'a real aspect' an applying sextile so their is the possibility of 'a relationship' between the two(in traditional or 'real' horary only ptolemaic aspects exist) the two planets or our 'protagonists'.. So though there is a 'possibility' here of a relationship of some sort.. or even a 'conjunction'(eventually) the underlying motives(ie. the planetary conditions etc) tell the real story..,

And as for the 5th house.. yes it's ruled by *Saturn in Leo.. so it's not that happy either.. bearing in mind that each planet is a different character in this drama.. or 'play'.. but it has some accidental dignity in the 11th house.. & who does Saturn love.. or desire.. it desires *Mars in Leo.. (Edit:no actually it would be the Moon in Cap, since Saturn is ruled by or loves Cap or Aqur)that's it's ruling sign.. & Mars has just recently left *Saturn(an older person).. & they're not happy.. suggesting that this other person(Mars in Leo) has just recently left someone>> Saturn after a 'conjunction'..

So is there any 'mutual reception'.. between our two protagonists.. ie. I like you & you like me.. the answer is NO...

Edit: I also was just reminded by John Frawley(his tapes) that the Moon & Venus also siginfy the woman in question.. & hte man is also signified by the Sun.. as well as the usual chart rulers.. 1st house(the querant).. 7th house(the other) So the mention of the Moon in Cap also signifies the querant.. but it's more about feelings of course.. where the Sun(as signifer of animal 'Man') & Venus(as signifier of animal 'woman') are more about our 'animal' passions.. sexual attractions etc.. producng good offspring etc.. I think I got some of my dignities wrong.. in the bit about the 5th house.. where John Frawley would have said there's no need to go there as enough information is already provided by the 1st house/7th house rulers & the male female signifiers.. ie. 'Too much rope & you may hang yourself!'...

OK that's my input..

[jenluvsblackcat]

Solastro,

Uhm. This could be Mercury Rx fuzzing up my comprehension skills, but WHAT are you saying exactly? One of your conjectures says this fella in question does want a sexual relationship, yet then a couple of lines down, you say that there is no mutual attraction. I'm sure its me and I just can't follow this. LOL. You put a lot of effort into your post, and I thank you...but if you could help me understand what your answer is, I will be grateful.
Thanks,
J.

[Solastro]

Well.. Jen..

That's an interesting question.. as it seems my Gemini Nth Node is wanting me to learn to commincate more clearly & precisely.. Yes I do tend to go into a lot of analysis I've noticed.. in case I miss something!! Oh yes and I am into in-depth psychological analysis of course.. Perhaps then the best advice for me is to try to keep things as clear as I can...

Anyway I think what John Frawley would say is that the chart rulers here are 'the main indicators'.. ie. you as *Venus in Gemini(ruler 1st).. & the man in question.. represented by *Mars in Leo(ruler 7th) So the first thing to do is to see if there is an applying aspect.. & they are applying by sextile!! So this is a good sign.. as potential for 'action'.. So your question was is there any mutual sexual attraction? However.. what I was getting at was is there any kind of lasting attraction here that would lead to anything more than a sexual encounter.. ie. 'a real' bonding-type of relationship to add to the physical or 'animal-attraction'.. Yes I am somewhat idealistic at times...

And yes Mercury retrograde seems to be testing me out...

OK back to your question.. looking at 'the main indicator' for this man.. represented by..*Mars in Leo.. we ask who does he really 'like/desire'.. well Mars likes anything in Aries or Scorpio(it's Ruler's) or Capricorn(it's sign of exaltation).. so he really likes *Jupiter in Scorpio(another woman).. & *the Moon in Capricorn(an aspect of you).. which just happens to be another indicator of 'the woman' in the chart.. ie. 'you'.. though it's more about how you 'feel'(Moon).. rather than your basic 'animal-woman'.. So your 'emotional-self' exalts him(Mars exalted by Cap).. Also *the Moon in Cap(your emotional self) is currently interested in *the Sun in Cancer(this man's 'animal-self').. however the Moon will soon be changing it's mind.. ie. moving from Cap into Aquarius...

So he does like you.. perhaps though it's more to do with you as 'Capricorn Moon'.. ie. 'how you feel'.. or come accross to him.. Now as for your 'animal-woman'.. ie. Venus(always the woman's 'animal-self' indicator).. which just happens to be the same as your main indicator.. So yes you did ask 'the sex' question.. this just shows us the chart is correct...

Anyway who do you.. as *Venus in Gemini.. really like/desire.. ie. 'like & want to have sex with'.. Well Venus loves anything in Taurus or Libra(it's Ruler's) or Pisces(it's sign of exaltation).. So for you it seems.. you have some slight interest perhaps(Venus in minor dignity to Sun in Cancer) but no strong desire.. towards *the Sun in Cancer(this mans 'animal-self').. also Venus in Gemini('you' & your 'animal-self')is not really particularly interested in *Mars in Leo either.. the main indicator for this man...

So perhaps that's were I went into too much analysis of this former idea.. without just answering the simple question.. 'are we sexually attracted to eachother'.. or sexually compatible.. or does he 'desire' me... So the answer to your question is are we sexually compatible.. the answer is NO.. he's much more sexually attracted to another.. ie. his 'animal-man' represented by *the Sun in Cancer.. And what does the Sun desire.. anything in Leo(it's Ruler) or Aires(it's sign of exaltation) So his 'animal-self' desires/loves himself.. ie. *Mars in Leo.. & *Saturn in Leo(an older woman perhaps)..

So to conclude.. *Saturn in Leo(another woman).. is whom his 'animal-man' really desires('me man.. you good woman').. but not *Venus in Gemini.. ie. 'you'.. no disrepect to you of course.. it's just the primal instinct thing.. However his main indicator(Sun in Cancer) says he really likes *Jupiter in Scorpio.. of which his main indicator.. *Mars in Leo is in mutual reception with(a good sign of mutual understanding/desire) Also most importantly *Mars in Leo is applying to sextle *Jupiter in Scorpio.. so these two will be in aspect at some point not too far away.. currently seperating by square(possible previous break-up).. suggesting they will come together at some piont in the future.. with a deep mutual connection...

So isn't life simple.. yes but it's good for soap operas...


Hope that makes more sense...

[balefully]

*Mars in Leo is applying to sextle *Jupiter in Scorpio.. so these two will be in aspect at some point not too far away.. currently seperating by square(possible previous break-up).. suggesting they will come together at some piont in the future.. with a deep mutual connection...

Solastro,

Hi, I've recently started to read about horary and from the few materials I managed to read, they said that we should only consider planets aspects before they changed sign and within a 5 degree orbs. Mutual reception is strongest by sign, triplicity, terms and face in respective order.

Jupiter and mars is 16 degrees away and Mars is currently in Leo. The sextile will form only when Mars changed sign to Virgo. From what you have written, when Mars in Leo, it is interested in Jupiter in Scorpio, but when it forms the sextile with Jupiter, Mars is in Virgo which exalt Mercury while it is the sign that Jupiter is in its detriment, it's not received by Jupiter at all.

I'm confused when I read what you have written above... I don't know if I have digested the materials correctly... any help is very much appreciated.

Jenluvsblackcat,

Hey! My aunt has a similar chart for a similar question with the exception that Jupiter is in her first house while yours is in your 2nd house.

Thanks with Luv,
bale

[Solastro]

Balefully..

Yes you are right there.. I jumped a bit too far away with that Mars/Jupiter aspect there.. without taking into account the sign change.. Yes they show a strong mutual reception where they currently are.. but seperating!!

Sorry about that little slip-up!!

Thanks..

[balefully]

Solastro

Thanks for helping me with this. I've another question if you don't mind... as I don't know if I fully understand mutual reception...

What kind of strong mutual reception does Mars and Jupiter where they currently are?

Thanks with Luv,
bale

[Virinchi]

what i pick up is that its all in your mind.
you over-estimate yourself and think every relation will end in bed

[Summery Joy]

Originally Posted by Virinchi

what i pick up is that its all in your mind.
you over-estimate yourself and think every relation will end in bed

Is there anything in the chart that lead you to this conclusion? Please share your methods with us.

[jenluvsblackcat]

Hey, (giggle giggle) I don't think all men want to sleep with me. I work with just about all men in my professional life. If I honestly thought everything was bound for the bed room, I wouldn't even have time to write a reply. LOL.

But like Sorehearted asked, what is it in the chart that gives you this impression?
Maybe it's just a hidden element in my psyche....???

Thanks,
J

[Solastro]

Balefully..

The mutual reception is that each is ruled by or 'in favourable terms' with 'the other'.. Mars(in Leo).. loves anything in Aries or Scorpio.. so Jupiter(in Scorpio) is pretty hot to Mars.. (it's ruling sign).. Jupiter in Scorpio is keen on anything in Pisces or Sag.. however I notice that I there is a mutual reception by dignity of 'term'(a slight aspect of dignity) with Mars for Jupiter.. so there is some slight interest by term.. but perhaps not as 'hot' as I made out.. since Jupiter really loves anything in it's ruling sign.. or sign of exaltation.. which is Cancer.. but as they are 'seperating'.. this says it all pretty simply.. that they are moving apart, 'as so the planets.. so the characters in the story'.. also this aspect was a square not a 'conjunction'.. in the original sense of the word...

I guess I needed a bit more clarity there too.. well I am in the middle of my 'Neptune square' after all..

OK then..

[Virinchi]

its just ur psyche

usually i pickup things by intution. this has nothing to do with chart.

i didnt mean that "you think all men want to sleep with yu" .
its just about that one particular man you asked about