should I divorce

scorpioontherun · #1 01-22-2010, 01:11 PM

I have all the papers done, but one last doubt. Fear to hurt irremediably my children for my freedom desire. Please help.
I'm mercury in 7th so I'm with him clearly and he's jupiter, we are in reception (trigone) so I think i shouldn't but I want to .... god life can be so hard sometimes. thanks in advance for your help and insight
scorpio

lillyjgc · #2 01-22-2010, 01:28 PM

Hi scorpioontherun,
so sorry to hear that its come to this.
Your ruler is Mercury, under Saturn's rulership.You are over there in his house, on the cusp of your eighth-This shows you are thinking very much about the matter.
However: Mercury is separating from the sextile to Jupiter.Jupiter-him, has just changed into a sign where it has become stronger-Jupiter also rules legal matters like divorce. Jupiter is in his 4th house of endings, leaving the old wounds (signified by Chiron/Neptune) to have a fresh start. Jupiter applies a sextile to Pluto-associated with death/endings/starting afresh.

Your ruler is in Saturn's sign-its a heavy serious matter.
The moon squared your ruler 2 somethings ago-maybe months..It now applies a trine to Mars right on your fourth house of endings.
Combust sun/venus apply an opposition to Mars.
I think you will go ahead with the divorce, as your primary sigs are making no applying contact.
Sorry to hear of this.Look after yourself.
Cheers
Lillyjgc

scorpioontherun · #3 01-22-2010, 02:15 PM

thank you so much for your help. The fact that jupiter is "strong" could mean that he will win the custody battle for the children? He wants to have sole custody (I want 50-50 which I think will be best for them)

fensi88 · #4 01-22-2010, 02:24 PM

Should or not you must decide yourself.
You are Moon, he is Ju, children are Me.
His ruler Ju is in no dugnity of Moon, you, or Me, children. So he does not love you and children. Bad news are that his ruler is recently enter Pi, so his ruler is in Me;s detriment and fall, that means if you go things will be worst for children.
But, Moon, you, is in no dignity of Me, so it seams, contrary to your question, you are not interested in children too. Me, children are in no dignity of Moon, you, it is only in Ju's face, so it semas they likes him more. Really complicated, I leave you choice!

scorpioontherun · #5 01-22-2010, 02:41 PM

Thank you for your reply. I think that in evrery divorce situation children pay a huge price. ALWAYS. But to imply that I'm not interest in my children ... well ... I find no words to reply to this. However, thank you for your time and your trying to help.
scorpio

scorpioontherun · #6 01-22-2010, 02:45 PM

ah and by the way ... you say I'm the moon ... but I'm Me too ... as they are.

fensi88 · #7 01-22-2010, 02:51 PM

Yes, I spot that, and I read in that case for matter asked about we use that same planet and for querent we then use Moon.

scorpioontherun · #8 01-22-2010, 02:56 PM

well then what should I say ... I do not agree.
thanks anyway, really

tikana · #9 01-22-2010, 08:14 PM

Hi
I hate word DIVORCE and the whole process. kids suffer so do husband and wife but if it is hads to be done then all power to you
honestly, i dont see a divorce either.
I was hesitant to come up with a judgement

Mercury rules you
Jupiter rules the hubby
children are mercury as well
Moon co-rules you
moon trines mars ruler of 6th house hmmm
plus it is retro and hovering over IC.
I dont see this as separating aspect
also, South node is in your 2nd house i would not suggest it due to financial status quo
moon rules your 2nd house - finances.
Being in Aries it is ill placed.
I dont think you can afford to be on your own with little kids
this also is seen your merc being in 8th house - mutual money
OF COURSE, as Olivia pointed out .. if there is an abuse, walk away regardless what horary says.
mars on IC also could be arguments
merc also void for a while no aspects to merc i dont see any..Merc did conjunct pluto *quite damaging argumentative and perhaps damaging to you or/and to children*
I dont think there is a divorce.
Good luck to you.
Have you tried family conseling?
a few years ago my friend was going through a divorce and someone told her to write to her hubby a letter with explaining how much he was hurting her and the kids. It helped. they went through a counseling and still together..

Question is are you ready to throw the towel or are you wiling to work out your problems?

hugs
T

lillyjgc · #10 01-23-2010, 12:55 AM

Scorp,
thank you so much for your help. The fact that jupiter is "strong" could mean that he will win the custody battle for the children? He wants to have sole custody (I want 50-50 which I think will be best for them)

You can't ask a second question about custody in the same chart you are asking whether you should proceed with divorce.One question/per chart with horary.

I read the question as *will I go through with the divorce* because as everyone's pointed out you can't expect a chart to tell you what to do.
If divorce is on the agenda it should be clearly shown by transits to natal and composite charts etc, too as a back up.

There's a few ways to read your chart, and I must say I am not totally confident about my own interpretation above.
In terms of whose ruler is stronger:
Mercury is weak in cap and weak by house.Jupiter is strong by sign and house-this gives him the upper hand.
The moon is acting more like Mars here and has no great power,trining to a malefic mars on h4 cusp.

You ask us if should go through with it...does your husband have a strong opinion about this? The chart indicates that it is HE who is wanting his freedom.
Was this divorce idea yours or his?
To help us figure out the chart we really do need some background information.
While I agree with everyone here that divorce isnt great for kids, its also my experience that dysfunctional families arent good for kids either.
Perhaps you need to look at the custody issue separately.
Its pretty normal to have second thoughts just before the final stage of something like this.If you have acted in haste, there's still time to re think, but by getting in touch with your real feelings rather than material considerations etc.
Cheers
Lilly

gemini59 · #11 01-23-2010, 01:17 AM

You and children both mercury in his house and this implies you more than he want to try to work it out.
End of marriage (10th) ruled by Saturn which is retrograde. Saturn in 5th house.
Jupiter, him, in 10th of end of marriage. Jupiter exalted and in 10th ...very strong.
But as someone said...not in any of mercury dignities.
Saturn also rules judge and his resources. Not so good.
Saturn moved retro, mercury never reached and is moving away from saturn impliying
end of marriage already occured. He is not moving to aspect anything. He is void of course. Moon trines mars in 4th house of family, rules 6th of details and daily routine implying arguing about daily routine and details. Moon aspect jupiter at 0 degree which I have read is still a doable aspect particularly as juptier has such a large orb. This to me is a second yes...in other words...it is a done deal. You will divorce once the details are worked out....maybe some time.

Niplan · #12 01-23-2010, 07:41 AM

dude is jupiter, he still loves you, jupiter in terms of venus, venus in terms of merc, you being merc, and he being in his 4th, wanting a family.

plus merc you is square sig = no don't do it.

Dude still loves you though. Its obvious in the chart.

You however have been influanced by what your friend say, moon in intercepted aries, And your just acting on rash angry emotions. OR something implanted like i said by your friends.

although your going to continue to argue for a bit more time Don't do it.

figola · #13 01-23-2010, 07:49 AM

Just tell me all the detail of all what happen;i will tell you something

figola · #14 01-23-2010, 08:10 AM

i dont like the way pepole advice you here,i read al what they are saying .

[Personal phone number deleted. Moderator.]

tikana · #15 01-23-2010, 08:55 AM

Sylvia de Long a well known horary astrologer lists number of chart with questions that start with "Should ... " in her book.. and all worked out fine

tikana · #16 01-23-2010, 09:15 AM

Well .. think about it .. Should i buy this particular car? question... quite valid.. cause horary CAN and DOES show what happens at the end ...

Same goes for divorces and marriages. Why shoudl they be treated any different.

lillyjgc · #17 01-23-2010, 09:42 AM

Sure guys,
I can clearly see your point about being able to ask*should I buy the car* etc and I'm only concerned that the question isn't clear-Personally I read it as *will the divorce go ahead*-I did that on the basis of the fact that Scorp said *the paperwork is completed*, but I was really reinterpreting the question-otherwise it's really asking is it best to divorce..and this would be a very difficult question to answer, as we have no background whatsoever about the children.This requires a value judgement whereas will it go ahead is only taking a look at the actions occurring in the chart.

I am strongly feeling the querent is truly in a state of worry about it and is possibly hoping we will influence the decision-something I think would not be our best role here as objective astrologers..
Only my opinion of course, but as valid as anyone else's.

Lilly

lillyjgc · #18 01-23-2010, 09:44 AM

Figola, Posting up your telephone number on the Internet-a public site-is possibly not a very wise thing to do. You can private message personal information.
Cheers
Lilly

Niplan · #19 01-23-2010, 05:59 PM

even if you did it as the base question of "will the divorce go ahead" The 1st and 7th house sigs square without reception... that alone should tell you no.

gemini59 · #20 01-23-2010, 06:38 PM

I think that is where the confusion lies....on a yes question I guess you would see the two applying to a postive aspect. No aspect no action?
But we also looked at the general aspects to the 10th house ruler, the end of the marriage.
In that case we should see some aspect of her ruler and the 10th ruler saying yes but in this case she, merc, is moving away....
I always get confused by that....

gemini59 · #21 01-23-2010, 06:40 PM

I think we overthink it and try to read sort of like a transit chart showing good or bad influences.

gemini59 · #22 01-23-2010, 08:36 PM

The only way is to give it your best shot and ask for feed back . The more you read it will help but sometimes you just have to try. I think this board is supposed to help us learn.
I do feel that a question of divorce is a big question and we all have opinions about divorce which could influence our reading.

Neptune Rising · #23 01-23-2010, 10:47 PM

I've been advised time and again to keep things simple, one day I learn.

Applying that to this chart, I would look Moon to either 4th house ruler, Sun - end of matter. Moon is going to square Sun so that is a 'no' answer to the question.

Also Moon to 10th house ruler, as Gemini59 said end of marriage, Saturn. Opposition done already, I would take that as a 'no'.

If I was looking for a simple 'yes' answer, I'd look for Moon trine to either of the above rulers.

Sun seems like an appropriate ruler for 4th end of matter in the house of legal affairs.

Moon trine Mars as already said more arguments ahead, I can only advise try to focus on the bigger picture when arguments are brewing, I know its easier said than done. Good luck to you

tikana · #24 01-24-2010, 12:56 AM

Gemini

yeah 10th house is outcome house for marriages

but main significators are 1/7 moon and sun

i am still not seeing the divorce. Question is SHOULD.. my take is is NO dont do it.

Olivia zeroed in to the perfect significators "If we're to look at it flat-out, and the question is 'should I divorce?' we'd want to see an applying or exact aspect between either Mercury or the Moon and Jupiter. There is no aspect. So it looks like no, now is not the time."

I cannot disagree with that ..

walking away from divorce proceedings is quite possible. I am not sure what she thinks of doing and why she is leaving.

I hope it works out for her with no regrets.

Neptune is looking from another angle .. Square is not a nail to the marriage coffin.. it is just indicating problems argumens but not a separation

Cheers
T

lillyjgc · #25 01-24-2010, 01:04 AM

Interesting discussion...and I'm not attached to my own interpretation, just glad a few joined in.One point though, virtually no one has mentioned the husband...surely he's going to have a preference one way or the other.His sig is in the stronger position so maybe that means it is he who will make the decision. (*it takes 2 to divorce*).
For all we know the husband might be the one moving on here. After all,he's Jupiter just new into a sign over which he rules, so getting stronger.
I think it could be very interesting to learn from this chart.
Scorp I hope you will let us know what happened.
Cheers
Lilly