missing book and possible deception?

[tee_jay66]

I recently bought a book from a seller on amazon and he said he had posted it to me on 22nd december. I still hadnt received it 10 days later and I emailed him and again he told me it had been sent. On the 2nd January I asked the question "where is my book"?

I will take him as 7th house and significator saturn which is placed in my 2nd house of 'my possessions'. I take the book as my 2nd house because I have bought it, so it is rightly mine. Im not quite sure what his significator in my 2nd is saying. The book, if using my 2nd house is mercury which is retrograde in 5th house and caricorn., So I see the book is returning somewhere! His house of 7th has neptune exactly on 7th cusp showing me he is deceiving me somehow and this is reinforced by jupiter also in his 7th house. Jupiter is significator of the book if it is shown by 8th house (2nd from 7th) showing the book as still his possession. It looks like he still sees the book as his possession as it is still in his home (7th house) and neptune on 7th cusp.

I got an email this morning from him saying that the book had been returned by royal mail to himself as the packaging was torn and the book inside ruined. He didn't say what had happened.......................................... ........ Mercury (the book as my possesion is retrograde, so going back to him...but......there is no aspect from the book to either his 7th house cusp or his significator. No aspect, no action. I still think he has decieved me and never sent the book or am I being paranoid??

[fensi88]

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[tee_jay66]

thanks, ive tried to upload the chart here........the question was asked in Chester,,,,United Kingdom, thanks again

[fensi88]

First off all, he does not lie. His ruler is Sa in exaltation, essential dignified, that means he is honest. His package that he sent to you is signified by his 3 house ruler Ma rx in his 6 house house of service for him, royal mail. So, indeed it is there. Rx can mean damaged package. We see Moon will conjunct Ma for about 8.5 degrees, that means because angles are fixed and conjunction is in cadent house, for about 8,5 days in best case.

[tee_jay66]

thanks, I really thought neptune was of importance standing on the descendent and I also thought jupiter was of importance. I see where you are coming from with the turned chart making the 12th house his 6th of service, that has taught me a bit. I didnt see that, thanks again

[tee_jay66]

just an update on this chart I posted. it seemed I was right about this guy's deception all along as I never received the book and he's disappeared from amazon and wont answer my emails! I had a feeling neptune on the cusp of 7th had something to say about him hmmmmmm

[aquarius7000]

Hi,

I do think that Nep, bang on the Dsc, can be very telling of deceipt, even disappearance on the part of the other party.

Of course, this other party's ruler, Sat, is exalted (he is the stronger of the two- owner of the book & perhaps by still being in possession of it), but it is placed in his 8th house, so he could have 'gone to ground' (or underground) as we say. Also, interestingly enough, he is placed in the chart's 2nd, so interested in the querent's money. Another thing, the Moon (querent's co-sig and reflecting the underlying matter) is in the chart's 12th, which could also be telling of the querent's loss, disillusionment, and the deceipt suffered. It is on its way to conj an rx Mars (also doesn't bode well), which is further placed in the 12th house, plus signifies the end of the matter (outcome) for the querent here - hmmm!! Since and if the book is still in his possession, note that his 2nd house ruler, Jup, is in His Own house (chart's 7th), so with him. The querent's 2nd-house ruler (money, possessions), Mer, is rx, which made me think for a jiffy that your money might be returned to you, Tee-Jay? Finally, the last aspect between Sun (you) and Sat (him) was a square (obstacle, struggle). Oh dear.


AQ7

[tee_jay66]

Hi *Aquarius*

I saw his ruler being in my 2nd house of posessions........what does it mean there? otherwise I saw the same as you. Developments today is that he has finally emailed me and returned the money......but with a sting in his tail. He is saying he wants the book returned. It hasn't even been delivered to me, so this is an anxious situation now!

[wintersprite1]

Originally Posted by fensi88

First off all, he does not lie. His ruler is Sa in exaltation, essential dignified, that means he is honest. His package that he sent to you is signified by his 3 house ruler Ma rx in his 6 house house of service for him, royal mail. So, indeed it is there. Rx can mean damaged package. We see Moon will conjunct Ma for about 8.5 degrees, that means because angles are fixed and conjunction is in cadent house, for about 8,5 days in best case.

Fensi,

I am a bit confused on the house you picked to signify the book... the turned 3rd house. I think I would have been inclined to use the 2nd house radix, as the querent has paid for the book, it has become his possession. In doing that we have Mercury as the sig for the book... also rx back to the Sun the quested (burned once and now again in combustion). Why would we used the turned 3rd? (there are so many rules to follow in horary, and every one of them has an exception )

TK

[fensi88]

I am a bit confused on the house you picked to signify the book... the turned 3rd house. I think I would have been inclined to use the 2nd house radix, as the querent has paid for the book, it has become his possession.

Yes, you are right, obvious I did not read carefully her post( that she already paid book)...so I use turned 3 to signify package from him.

[aquarius7000]

Hi Tee-Jay,

Originally Posted by tee_jay66

I saw his ruler being in my 2nd house of posessions........what does it mean there? otherwise I saw the same as you. Developments today is that he has finally emailed me and returned the money......but with a sting in his tail. He is saying he wants the book returned. It hasn't even been delivered to me, so this is an anxious situation now!

Firstly, this indeed is some great news that you have recovered your money back, esp. as you did not get what you invested it in. I too mentioned his ruler, Sat as being in your 2nd house, and he did receive your money (2nd house) and was in possession of it. (The proximity of Sat to the 3rd H and going by the 5° rule, you may even count Sat as being in your 3rd H). But, like I said earlier on, Mer (your 2nd ruler) being retro plus moving back to conj the Sun (you), your money could come back to you, which it has. I am thinking a couple of things. Perhaps the Nep on the Dsc (him), opp the Asc (you), in this particular case show all the confusion, unclarity and even the disappearing of the book for both of you (I'd like to believe this theory on Nep's placement). Another suspicion (we are talking about Nep after all) that could arise in one's mind would be that, though he has returned your money, there still might be a chance that the book never was sent out in the first place (Nep on the Dsc, etc), and so he found it easier to return the money, but has to play 'return my book thing' all the more (?). Also, note that Ven (end of the matter for him, his 4th H) and Sat (he) are in MR, though not aspecting any more (the last aspect having been of frustration- squ), so I am wondering what good this MR will bring to him- maybe his package ultimately being found? This could also be facilitated somewhat by Jup (his 2nd H ruler) separating from Nep and moving towards its sign of dignity. Perhaps we need to delve even deeper in the chart and have missed something, but first I need a good cup of tea.


AQ7

[tee_jay66]

Hi Fensi

OMG, I feel stupid now as guess what, the book has finally arrived after being caught up in all the bad weather weve been having in britain, and so was delayed. I feel real bad and emailed him asking whether I can get the money back to him somehow (he has returned it to my creditcard) as the book looks great and I would rather keep it now having ordered it from him over a month ago. Anyway he hasnt replied yet and Im hoping he lets me keep it,
thanks for your interpretation of the chart, its been most helpful x

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by fensi88

We see Moon will conjunct Ma for about 8.5 degrees, that means because angles are fixed and conjunction is in cadent house, for about 8,5 days in best case.

Tee-jay / Fensi,

The timing on this is spot-on too. You are good Fensi!

Glad to hear you finally got your book Tee-jay.

[fensi88]

No, timing was not correct(when ever you have rx planet involved you can not be sure), but that was not main question. Main question was about possible deception, and I am glad that my analyse upon chart was, and it proved indeed, that he does not lie.

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by fensi88

No, timing was not correct(when ever you have rx planet involved you can not be sure), but that was not main question. Main question was about possible deception, and I am glad that my analyse upon chart was, and it proved indeed, that he does not lie.

Fensi, I understood the nature of the question.

Apologies for the error made re timing.

[fensi88]

It is OK, 07.Re !