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Pluto in Dignity and Debility

This series of threads was created with the intention of discussing the influence of planetary dignity and debility in natal astrology. Each planet has been designated its own thread and a quick reference sheet of this planet's dignity and debility has been provided.

Dignity:
  • Pluto exerts rulership over Scorpio
  • Pluto is exalted in Aries (Leo)

Debility:
  • Pluto is in its detriment in Taurus
  • Pluto is in its fall in Libra (Aquarius)

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Alright, this means that my Pluto is debilitated in Libra. If 'debilitated' means 'unable to function or express itself easily' I can see how this may work.

Pluto is, ideally, meant to signify a way in which I can transform through experiencing powerful energies, and learn to use my own powerful energies responsibly. Experiencing and exercising power don't seem to fit very easily with pluto in libra - which is likely to be overly concerned with maintaining harmony. Harmony doesn't allow much room for expressing and reacting to power!!

One thing I do know about myself is that I am incredibly unlikely to ever yell, scream, tell someone what to do, get violent, lose my temper in any way. Even though as a child I had a somewhat quick and dangerous temper, as an adult I have learned very carefully to moderate powerful feelings, actually far too efficiently.

So, powerful feelings that I have now end up as furiously painful clots of rage in my throat, or I 'reason' my way out of having them, I only have them alone, or at best, I write them (pluto in 3H). There are people and situations where it would have been much healthier for me to HAVE rage, and it didn't happen on the outside, only on the inside (pluto conjunct nadir).

Some people can tell it's there anyway, but precious few. One guy, who does seem to sense some internal intensity, has told me he would love to see me angry, because he has trouble imagining it. Another one jokes with me that I have "added up" enough credits that one day when I do get angry, everone is going to have to COMPLY IMMEDIATELY

Possible benifits: I never burn bridges or relationships that I might later regret having burned. I always speak fairly, even when furious, and can be reasoned with at almost all times, which means other people are more able to understand my strong feelings. Also, all of the people in my life are very reasonably considerate and respectful towards me. I do not attract destructive people. Now, I can't relate all of that to Pluto alone, but I do believe that pluto in libra may 'smooth' some of the potential for the uglier manifestations of pluto enegry. However, that leaves pluto energy somewhat 'stuck'. Possibly it operates on other levels, or for me, mostly internally.

Put simply, most situations that provoke pluto energy for me do not warrant a pluto like response, so I have to swallow it. Either this is because people I love are doing unintentional harm, or because people I don't know are breaching social norms and threatening me in way that I don't know how to react to (I've been masturbated at three times in public, to name the obvious eample). My expression of pluto has been 'socialised'.

I find it funny, half comforting and a little concerning that when plutonian energy does manage to jump it's libran traces, it means that it's pretty much got no restraint left, like a truck downhill with stripped gears and the brakes aflame. That's how I picture losing my temper. Odds are no one will even see it coming

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Hi Howl,

We have talked about the Venus Pluto aspect before, you don't seem to give it that much significance in your chart but it is definately there. I know your touching on Pluto in Libra here but there were a few things you said here that definately indicate venus pluto operating.

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One thing I do know about myself is that I am incredibly unlikely to ever yell, scream, tell someone what to do, get violent, lose my temper in any way. Even though as a child I had a somewhat quick and dangerous temper, as an adult I have learned very carefully to moderate powerful feelings, actually far too efficiently.
So you do have powerful emotions, dangerous temper, are you trying to supress your pluto, control these powerful emotions. Afraid of how people will react to this side of you. I am not attacking you, but you said you have learned to moderate these feelings far too efficiently. Which implys you are tightly controlling this energy.

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So, powerful feelings that I have now end up as furiously painful clots of rage in my throat, or I 'reason' my way out of having them, I only have them alone, or at best, I write them (pluto in 3H). There are people and situations where it would have been much healthier for me to HAVE rage, and it didn't happen on the outside, only on the inside (pluto conjunct nadir).
Painful clots in the throat because of the rage you feel. Your body is telling you not to supress your anger. Not expressing your rage will make you ill. It is good that you find a release in writing your feelings down as an outlet.

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I never burn bridges or relationships that I might later regret having burned. I always speak fairly, even when furious, and can be reasoned with at almost all times, which means other people are more able to understand my strong feelings. Also, all of the people in my life are very reasonably considerate and respectful towards me. I do not attract destructive people. Now, I can't relate all of that to Pluto alone, but I do believe that pluto in libra may 'smooth' some of the potential for the uglier manifestations of pluto enegry. However, that leaves pluto energy somewhat 'stuck'. Possibly it operates on other levels, or for me, mostly internally.
Here you say "I never burn bridges or relationships that I might later regret having burned" Venus Pluto people do have trouble "letting go" of relationships.

Also you say I do not attract destructive people .

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(I've been masturbated at three times in public, to name the obvious example).
But with this statement above, I would say you do attract destructive people and with Pluto being in the third and the third house can indicate everyday encounters. I can strongly see your Venus Pluto operating.
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Pluto is perhaps one of the most powerful planets in my natal chart, located in my eighth house in Scorpio. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to discern much about this placement, as most of my Google searches yield sites that simply state "Pluto is associated with Scorpio and the eighth house."

I interpret this influence as instilling within me a compulsive desire to penetrate the mysteries of the universe, to explore the unkown. I am fascinated by the darkness inherent in each human being and the primal emotions which seize one's mind without invitation. There is great power in surrendering to these energies, to embrace the darkness instead of fleeing from the inevitable...thus is the lesson of Pluto.

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Hi Miss Saturn

Thanks, I know you're not attacking me but you are making me think. I'm on the look-out for things I can't see

Yes, I would like to be able to release pluto energy more openly, and I agree, feeling pain in your throat when you're angry/upset etc is very much about needing to speak it out rather than keep it in. Pluto energy isn't meant to be heavily moderated by (venus/libra). This is something I'm working on!

As for not attracting destructive people... I do think it's odd that strangers have decided to masturbate at me, but I am quite glad that they're strangers, and in a public situation. These were literally men who decided to masturbate AT me in broad daylight, in public, while I am walking along, doing nothing special (also wearing nothing special, even though that should account for nothing). I don't really want to start thinking that I somehow "attract" that - I can learn from it, for sure, but attract it??

They may be destructive, but at least they are peripheral. What I appreciate is that I dont attract, and wouldn't dream of accepting, a fundamentally destructive interpersonal relationship. We all get hurt, and sometimes judge poorly, but I have a friend (with much scorpio energy) who has been assualted by both "friends" and strangers, and I have wondered why she has had to have that experience when I haven't. So yes, there is destructive behaviour in my world, but generally not close to me. I seem to enjoy good judgement or good luck, probably both.

And I don't let go of relationships easily, no (also something I'm working on!) but I don't identify with it to the extent that pluto venus might describe.

This is all subjective, so hard for anyone to judge how accurately I see things, but, for example, I believe that I hold on to relationships primarily because I can't imagine loving someone and then cutting them off. I would rather go through the difficult process of building a friendship, if that is a realistic option. It's pluto-venus behaviour, yes, but not, I don't think, motivated by the depths of need that pluto-venus can describe. Would someone with very strong pluto-venus energy choose to stick around and work on friendship with an ex that has a new partner, and have to honestly release their claims?

Perhaps there's not much difference for me between talking about Pluto in detriment in Libra (venus/partnerships/relationships) and Pluto sqaure venus in 7H (again, venus, partnerships, relationships) ?

Maybe I have a personality split and decide to side with venus

And Arian, thanks for me this becomes a compulsive desire to penetrate the mysteries of people I meet Particularly, I'm fascinated by talking to people about their deeper emotions and how they respond to them.

Yes, I do have intense emotions (pluto conjunt nadir and 4H scorp jupiter) and I'm having to continue learning to respect them, because intense emotions aren't necessarily in sync with the rest of my chart or the way I want to relate or behave.

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Hi Howl,

Glad you didn't think I was attacking you I was nearly going to delete the message worried about how you might take it. But nothing to worry about becuase you seem open and aware of yourself, and at least you haven't been like me attracting destructive people into your relationships.

I think it is how you are using the energy, use it constructively in your life and release it that way, I try to do that and it is easy when everything in your life is going well, I can handle all my energies, but if something goes wrong then that's when the real test begins. I may lose focus/Reality (my mercury square neptune ) Confidence falls and negative pessimistic ways come back ( sun opposed saturn ) or I cause an emotional drama in my relationship. (venus square pluto) and then just drown in all these emotions (moon square neptune)

Everyday I am learning to handle my emotions, use my energies positively lift myself above the negativity that can sink in. It is not like everyday I fall into my aspects. There are days when you enjoy yourself nothing is weighing you down and feel free of any heaviness your spirit feels lighter. I will eventually achieve that for longer periods. Hopefully I will get to were I want to be in life, my souls purpose. The times I feel like this are the times my soul isn't going in the right direction, I know deep inside it is not were I am supposed to be.

Thanks for listening to my point of view.

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Hi Arien,

Your Pluto/Scorpio/8th house.

Your quote describes this placement.

Thus I can only seek support in the deepest, most intimate part of myself as for the external world there is absoloutly nothig there for me.

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Hi Arien,

I was just reading a chart on Oprah Winfrey, she has pluto in the 8th house, here is the meaning the Astrologer gave for this placement.

She is involved in a lifetime where deep transformation of the soul must take place-the planet ruling the 8th is in the 8th so it is a very strong placement.85% of people with Pluto in the 8th seek some form of psychotherapy and then go on to become souls that have the power to transform others.

Poem Astrologer gave to describe this placement.

In the desert I saw a creature naked, bestial
Who was squatting on the ground
Held his heart in his hands
And ate of it,
I said "is it good friend?"
"It is bitter" he answered
"But I like it because it is bitter"
And because it is my heart.

People with Pluto in the 8th house are not afraid to dissect the most ugly part of themselves and help others explore it as well, because they have the capacity in themselves they also have the ability to transform others of the bitterness inside themselves. People with strong 8th are great counselors. They have the ability to go undercover and probe beneath the surface.

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Miss Saturn,

Thank you for sharing this!

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85% of people with Pluto in the 8th seek some form of psychotherapy and then go on to become souls that have the power to transform others.
Oddly enough, my mother brought me to a psychotherapist several years ago in an attempt to control my anxiety and OCD...

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Your welcome Arien,

When I was reading through and she described the Pluto in 8th I remembered, you asking about it and noted it down for you, because you haven't been able to find much on it. I'm glad you found it useful.

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Pluto in fall in Libra - hmmm .... there is an entire generation of people who are living out that particular placement. I don't find the energies destructive or difficult to express at all. Conjunct ASC might indicate that I've found an outlet for it.

What I do find is that we are more likely to be willing to embrace the darker side of ourselves - the shadow, the beast, the not-so-nice parts. We are willing to integrate these parts because we know that there can be no light without the dark. I find that many of the Pluto in Leo generation people I deal with are light warriors ... they try and deny the 'dark side' because it does not gel with their view of being able to transcend and make the world a better place. They hide from their dark side, chant or meditate or whatever it away as if it never existed. Don't get me wrong ... I'm not being derogatory. I just can't see the logic in creating the imbalance - even in the 'right' direction.

The lesson is that there is a divine harmony (Libra) between the light and the dark, the profine and the sacred, the feminine and masculine. Whichever concept of duality works for you .... the balance is essential. We need to embrace and integrate our shadow sides, as these are just as much a part of our journey and transformation as the light side.
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Somehow I think you AM, would be a fantastic scientist; an ability to see through everything and the will to get to the bottom of things. You are a very lucky girl to have such a good placement of pluto
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Hi ShadowRain,

That's a beautiful way of looking at it. My pluto is conjunct nadir, which I hope helps me to express it.

Perhaps there's more than I thought to your theory Miss Saturn, that pluto square venus is more significant for me than pluto in libra.

Anyone else out there with pluto in libra? I'd love to hear about it
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I know someone who embraces both light and dark... but seems to be stuck on people. Who is healthy to keep and who are not. They feel everyone is good at heart, even to people who are constantly rude and detrimental towards them. Of course I believe everybody is good at heart deep down, but somewhat differently. You cannot help someone if they do not want, or seek to be helped. My friend and I both have some understanding for "troubled people", but some people learn at different times and ages. At best I will always offer a clean slate when they are ready and not judge them for their past mistakes -- we all have them. Now my philosophy, or etiquette of keeping friends are far different from the one who has Pluto in Libra. If someone does wrong to me, naturally I hope to highest to forgive them and let them go.. I do not want such people near me for a while or it will evoke a strong repulse reaction within me. I feel this is best for both parties in both ends. Maybe after some time, I will reconsider this if this person has been around for a while and learned their ways.


But, this friend of mine would rather keep the badguys in their sphere, checking on them actively. If not in their own beauty sphere, they aren't too far from their reach, there will always be some silver thread connecting back to them.

Now my question is this, about being afraid to burn bridges. This troubles me most because why would someone keep people, or enemies who are harmful and detrimental to their spirits so close to them? Because I feel this friend is so hellbent on believing people are redeemable... Yes, this is noble, but too quick to jump in. Why would they still want them to be around? I am not sure if they can properly handle that sort of disharmony or "purification". Is personal peace and harmony this much important to a Libran? or is there something I do not understand about this person's beliefs? A deeply seeded guilt they feel responsible for, or could have done something to keep a relationship friendly and alive?

It is nauseating to me, because if anyone treated me rudely and harshly I would simply burn the bridge and leave it as that. But for my flipside friend here, at the same expense of keeping people near, the Libran lash out at the very same people who troubles them but ultimately they decide to keep... when they could have the responsibility to cut off the ties. Passive aggressive tactics has always been their way to get their own message out, without harming or displeasing any "one", just at the air these people breathe. I am not sure if this is working for them at all.. and I still do not understand the core of the problem.. there is no balance, it is more of a heavily tipped scale on one side or the other.. something is always sacrificed.
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Hi SS. I don't find my own Pluto in Libra reacting in the way you describe. I am sometimes a bit too trigger happy on burning bridges. That's probably why I don't have a lot of friends *shrug* I'm speculating, but I think the house placement of your friend's Pluto or something else in the chart might be influencing the way its being expressed.

In a lot of ways I'm hell bent on transformation - there is a constant itch to change ... and hopefully grow in the right direction. But it's an internal drive, not an external one.

As for being treated rudely and harshly - that is a no-go area no matter who or what it is. That is not the shadow side I'm referring to (that's plain disrespect in my view and is not tolerated). Haven't you sometimes looked at something or someone and wished that you had 'ascended' or reached that level of contentment/enlightenment - and because you had not, you felt diminished and less?
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ShadowRain, you are so right:

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ShadowRain: In a lot of ways I'm hell bent on transformation - there is a constant itch to change ... and hopefully grow in the right direction. But it's an internal drive, not an external one. ..... Haven't you sometimes looked at something or someone and wished that you had 'ascended' or reached that level of contentment/enlightenment - and because you had not, you felt diminished and less?
That is one of my "secret sorrows". It is hard to achieve and stabilize such a transformation for some, but I am always willing to take this into an account when it comes to people I feel insecure about. In the end, I tend to feel this was a selfish act that had been projected onto someone because I wanted to feel secure about their actions.

There are some instances where I question people, about their promise. I am sunk back whenever I discover so-and-so has been talking something bad about me, after believing we were on the same side in the name of friendship. Yet I try not to convince myself this is truly them. We're never the same person we were yesterday and our opinions, views, thought processes change. Perhaps I have too high of a standard when it comes to people, but thats okay, knowing someone is a privilege. We have the will to stop and think about our actions... and I see no reason why there are excuses sometimes. Spiritual disciple is such a great thing to exercise.. Not many people use this to keep their moral integrity, thus my faith tends to falter a little. I just think, an intuitive, unspoken understanding should disintegrate all barriers that keeps us from being friends.. but this hasn't been the case....and I am sometimes amazed how people can be just ruthless.

I used believe I fooled myself believing such a cause was hopeless, ShadowRain, of ascending and transmutation from personal egos and petty visages. Oh, but not anymore.. I am so glad and relieved someone brought this to light again. I had abandoned this belief for a while.. Thank you for bringing it up!

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I think Pluto being in fall in Libra is a generational placement- You are a member of the Plutonian generation of 1971-984

Marriage and social values went under profound change. Fashion took on a more darker, more obsessive aspect with styles such as punk and Heroin chic, delving into fixations regarding physical looks, excessive cosmetic surgery, and anorexia and bulimia.

As a generation you are re-writing the social rulebook, but initially this means having almost no rulebook at all. And because profound Pluto functions poorly in relatively superficial Libra, this will all take quite some time.

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After reading what Miss S had to say, I've been wondering ... would the generational shift be more noticable in those generations where Pluto is in a sign of dignity or debility? And depending on your sources - that means that there is something shared between the Pluto in Leo & Pluto in Libra generations as Pluto is in fall in either.

Something to think about ...

So any Pluto in Leo's willing to share some ideas with this Pluto in Libra?
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Re: Pluto in Dignity and Debility

My Pluto in Libra too, conjunct my sun.
My friend's chart also has Pluto in Libra in 8th, conjunct (less than 4 deg) his sun in the eighth.
I have been trying to understand where he's at but seem to not get anywhere because he's very secretive.
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My pluto is also in Libra in the 12th house though. I have Libra rising, and Pluto trine my Jupiter in Aqaurius in the 4th. I've often read that this is the generation has interesting views on marriage, and unions in general. Can everyone reveal where their respective Pluto's are in the Natal chart?
In Stephen Arroyo's book "Astrology, Karma and Transformation"
He states the following about Pluto in the 12th:

"With this position of pluto,the person must transform the quality of his or her emotional life by an adherence to some belief of transcendental truth which has the effect of liberating the self from a morass of confusing emotions. Often, this re-orientation will require long periods of loneliness and abstention from socail interaction; for dealing with other people often has the effect of again stirring up the old, troublesome emotions that the person is trying to transcend. They should be careful not to allow one-track emotional guilt patterns and feelings of self-persecution to gain the upper hand. The key to this orientation is to establish definite spiritual attitudes toward all life. Once this spiritual transformation has progressed to a ceratin point, the individual can develop the capacity to experience the unity of all life which lies beneath outer forms"

Does anyone else have pluto in the 12th? I would love to hear about your Pluto house placements.
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Re: Pluto in Dignity and Debility

Hi pisceskitty,

I share with you Pluto in H12,but mine is in Virgo.

And I have also Librarising and Uranus conjunct my Ascendant(together with Jupiter).

Interesting what Arroyo tells about this placement.And I recognize the restlessness of Uranus you tell about in another thread!

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Re: Pluto in Dignity and Debility

I have natally pluto in the 8th, in virgo (along with nn and Uranus in Leo). I love it. Never makes me stand still spiritually. I want to get to the bottom of every one of life's mystery. And it has to make sense. I will dissect my reasoning down to a molecular level. I can't fool myself. I will also test my theories.

To me, this lifetime is one of shedding karma rather than making it. I am beginning to fundamentally understand what karma is all about on an intuitive level.

I also have moon sq pluto within one degree. Talk about emotional crisis. I think with a pretty trying pluto, nothing matters to me except my search for salvation. Also to have complete 'self' control vs. 'sense' control. It happens no where as much as I want it to, but I love when I can say 'no' to something I truly materially, physically desire.

Currently I am going thru pluto in the 12th. I was reading somewhere that pluto going thru this house means eliminating 'garbage' from your subconscious mind. Maybe even confronting your hidden enemies and being either transformed or transforming them. Natally pluto in the 12th would also be a good placement.
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Re: Pluto in Dignity and Debility

Greetings Teddy,

I understand wholeheartedly when you talk about this search for salvation. I feel the same way being born with this placement. Even as a child,I have never been afraid of the unknown. I believe I seek it. I also have my Moon square Pluto. Emotional crisis is an understatement! I'm always reading, seeking knowledge, and going through some sort of metamorphasis. It is almost as if i'm living a million little lifetimes within this one.
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Hi,

I have Pluto in Libra in the 2nd house (I felt like I was in Group therapy then )

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Re: Pluto in Dignity and Debility

I have a difficult placed Pluto. It makes a conjunction with my Moon - in Scorpio. My emotions motivate me. I react too extremely to normal situations. I'm intense. I'm jealous. I don't get mad, I EXPLODE. You don't want to **** me off My feelings are hard to live with. Especially since I don't talk about my feelings. I just can't. I don't talk about what's on my mind.
I read a Moon Pluto conjunction means problems with the mother. For me, this placement results in being too much a mother. I'm bossy, I tell everyone what to do, how to do and what not to do. I'm possessive and protective. My sister, who's 5 years younger than me, often calls me her second mother - which is true. I act like it.
This conjunction is placed in the 10th house. I want to achieve. I hate it when I'm not the best. I have to be. Less than that is not good enough.
Pluto also squares Venus, which even makes me more intense.
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