here is my natal chart and particulary interesting stuff about me

[2complicated]

you are a very fixed minded person ej. i can say that much. there's only a single way for all the people to follow in your opinion. even if someone does not deserve forgiveness, "just because you are an adult now", you are supposed to forgive them, get over it and whatever. well, i'm so mature, i'm so openminded, i can actually choose not be openminded. WHAM! but you can't even understand it... i know what i like and don't. and i'm not trying to like things that disgusts me just because i'm an adult now... i'm not a prophet who sent by god to create peace in this world. i can't care less, all the world can go rot in hell.

i stop caring about my parents long ago. i don't blame them for making me this way. now, this is very important so focus; my parents just show me what kind of a world this is, what kind of people living in it, how selfish they are, how even when they fool themselves thinking they are being altruistic, they still only think themselves. i dig this deep, reading psychoanalysis writers like jacques lacan, existentialist philosophers like nietzsche, sartre. heidegger, derrida, many, much more... you are not even aware of "will to power" concept and trying to lecture me... blah. you are clueless.

i understood people. so much better than you. it's just your blurry, polyanna-esque "understanding" of them does not match with mine. so you are "automatically" trying to find stuff in my natal chart that would supposedly show why i'm wrong. well, you fail. my pisces intercepted so i'm so out of dreams and utopias, i see the ugly truth, the matrix you are living in. my virgo intercepted so that's why i can't be bothered with routine, with the cliche, practicality. if i was able to, i wouldn't change those signs with something else. i'm very aware the affects of these interceptions on me (not astrologically, of course, i learned interception concept from you. but i've experienced and still experiencing the actual, real life effects of them), i very well know what to do to reverse those affects as well (start licking arses). but i don't care, as those interceptions covers only the most worthless and vain stuff in themselves... i'm glad those signs are intercepted.

Your idealism is Neptune in Sagittarius/8th (ruled by Jupiter in Taurus/2nd), trine Sun in Cancer/4th (squaring and ruled by Moon in Libra/7th)......So, you'll tell yourself anything for psychological self-preservation......Thus your truth/integrity is determined by your Ego rather than reality.

i think the very same thing for you. in fact, since you have mentioned it first, it must be coming from your subconscious. besides, your interpretations can not be more vague, you go like this; x in y z in w square to whatever ruled by q = you suck. oh yeah? why? explain in detail how x affects y and square adds what into this and ruler planet does what? meh.

your "right direction" is "your right direction" it's, not, universal, truth.

i'm being true to myself, by not changing myself into an aberration, a zombie.

i'm a philosopher on an astrology site who lately read some carl jung. i'm trying to see what he saw in this. it's fun, you know, it's just like making a vodoo doll or using an ouija board or whatever. suprisingly though, i think he was right about "collective unconscious". stuff like this...

You may be familiar with Jung's concept of "archetypes," which make suggestions to the conscious mind as mystical images or symbols, and which spring from "known" patterns of behavior within the collective unconscious. For example, Jung thought that we essentially "know" how to act in a given situation, but that this knowledge is not present in the conscious mind until the situation arises, and it will never be brought to consciousness if the situation never arises. An "instinctual archetype" exists in the unconscious mind that contains the knowledge of how to act in that situation, until the archetype is constellated into the conscious mind. This is different from an "archetypal archetype," which is not instinctual or behavioral, but represents a more complex knowledge or understanding of something that we haven't realized with our conscious mind.

what make me curious. and i'm not saying get over your piscean selves. i'm just saying energies can be used in many different ways. there's no right or wrong without certain moral values and social conventions. i appreciate how you pointed by interceptions, that was really interesting. just don't tell me you are supposed to do this now to get over those interceptions. because i don't think i need to.

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by 2complicated

...you are a very fixed minded person ej...you are clueless...i understood people. so much better than you.

Whilst pointing your index finger at me 2C, bear in mind that you have three fingers pointing back at yourself.

...i appreciate how you pointed by interceptions, that was really interesting.

Thank you for appreciating my astrological viewpoint.

...i'm so mature, i'm so openminded, i can actually choose not be openminded.

And thank you for exemplifying my astrological viewpoint.

...i can't care less, all the world can go rot in hell.

So, (as I asked in post 64)......"Presumably, you maintain your integrity by taking nothing from the society that you are disgusted to be a part of?"

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Since there is nothing more for me to say astrologically 2C, I shall now depart from this thread.

[2complicated]

you can go quote two words from here, three words from there and make your little stories and actually believe in them, i don't care. it's just sad though, after so much effort someone still saying "you are exemplifying my astrological viewpoint." really sad. in fact you are exemplifying my philosophical viewpoint about how fixed minded you are by removing my words out of their contexts while trying to make yourself right. i point you because you are telling me 1. you are this, 2. you are supposed to be this, 3. you do that this way... (hey, maybe i shouldn't say you, since you are repeating what you read somewhere and i should say "astrology" simply, moral code of astrology) first one is okay but second and third ones, you have to understand people are not robots, they born and live tops 100 years and dies. so, they can choose how to spend that time. and just because they choose different things than yourself, that doesn't make them unconscious. "you" don't have to program them all for "maximum performance". me, i'm not compatible with 3rd party softwares.

as i said, you can use energies in many different ways. astrology fails to see that i believe. hmmm... how to put this... yes, you know how blind people hears better? (not that i'm blind in any ways but...) see, even the absence of energies can give you stuff. when pisces is intercepted, when dreams and martyrdom and whatever not available for you, you would excel in logical analysis. without "urge to service to others" (for approval) and a lot of problems about "self-worth" (that's where the need of being servive comes) you would be like me.

if i use this magnifier i can scorch this piece of paper. see, using a tool, i make the harmless energy destructive. if i make a molten, empty inside cube and burn stuff in it, i can control the fire and get warm. see, using another tool, i make the destructive energy both harmless and useful.

just like that, every single energy, or lack of that energy planets and signs bestows us or not, can be used in different ways. it's just, you have to know what do you want to do with them and think. and sometimes they are just good as they are and you don't need to change a thing.