Am I bad luck?

[purrleo]

I have just realized that nearly ever man I have ever dated has been doing well and then during the course of us dating has either: lost their job, their car, house, or all. It seems like they are doing really well and then while I am dating them, they lose everything....Could I be bad luck? I am beginning to think I am.

[astrologer50]

Well considering you have just had your saturn return and now T Saturn is conj your natal moon am not surprised you're bit emotionally depressed or withdrawn. In Equal house moon is in 12th and placidus conj 12th cusp. Sounds a lot like bad luck to me

12th house planets/aspects
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth
Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ght=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ght=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ght=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ght=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ght=12th+house

Saturn Return
Saturn takes 30 years or so to complete its circuit around the zodiac so events that occur around the age of 29-30, 58-59 and 80-81 will be of great significance to the native, depending on the strength and aspects to natal saturn.
http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html
http://www.astrologycom.com/saturn.html
http://www.saturnreturn.net/what_is.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-2766-Atlan...-Saturn-return
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/dysfunctional-saturn

[rahu]

hi erika
i don't know if you are bad luck but you do have aspects that show intense relationships that are unstable.your venus/moonmidpoint is conjunct to the sun with the sun square to uranus.this is a very emotionally/physical attractive aspect but the urnaus influences ,though giving intense ,idealistic love ,also tends to make your relationship brief.
mars is conjucnt to pluto in thw 12th which means your tend to become involved with selfish guys.the sextile to neptune and the sun shows that though your guys are usually very considerate and nurturing,they tend to be a bit edgy.so their problems may not be you but in themselves.
another aspect that is germane to your question is the biseptile from venus to the mars/pluto conjunction.the septile while often associates with creativity and spiritual tendencies,when applied to more mundane things,usually shows a loss or confusion.septiles are an indication that relationshipa are part of your education about your "spiritual path".but again ,pertaining to ordinary things like relationships,it shows lessons you must learn .
i would speculate that with a mars/pluto conjunction,you may be placing too much emphasis on the physical aspect of your relationships.but that is just a idea.
rahu

[nevenez]

Bad luck doesn't exist.
Future is in our control.

[purrleo]

Astrologer 50= Thank you for the information. This darn saturn return has proven extremely difficult for me. I have been feeling very depressed, very out of it and not sure of my future.

Radu= Yes I have had very volatile, intense relationships. They start off very heavy, intense and physical, but then burn out just as quickly. I do seem to attract men that are selfish in many ways. They seem to take my extreme kindness as weakness and then take advantage of me and stop appreciating me. I do, however, try to learn from my past relationships and not make the same mistakes. You are definitely right about the physical emphasis on relationships. I do tend to get really into that above more concrete qualities...

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by purrleo

I have just realized that nearly ever man I have ever dated has been doing well and then during the course of us dating has either: lost their job, their car, house, or all. It seems like they are doing really well and then while I am dating them, they lose everything....Could I be bad luck? I am beginning to think I am.

From a Scorpio, you having Scorpio (oh boy!) on the Ascendant, both co-rulers conjunct, you seem to be a powerful person. All relationships I've had have been transformative.

I look at it this way, the people who come into my life do it for a reason: they need to change. And the way Pluto changes things is a bit extreme, but necessary. It's not your fault. These guys needed that transformative energy, & you helped them tap that. It is first through the chaos of storm that we find calm.

I think you may put too much emphasis on "other" cause all your planets are on one side of the chart, looking for someone to complete you. How have these guys helped you on your "soul path"? I'd say that's what you should be concerned about, cause these others are on their own journey.

Have you looked to see when your progressed Ascendant changes (or has already changed) signs? The ruler of your chart would shift to Jupiter, & I'm sure he'd be a lot luckier in love than the God of War & the God of the Underworld.

I wish you well on your journey. Stay positive!

[astrologer50]

Venus ruling your 7th house cusp and placed in 9th suggests you will prob meet your partner whilst travelling, from another country, culture and even higher education. Your venus only has one aspect ie: square to moon which suggests stress from early childhood connected to mother, but there is a kinda mutual reception going on here cos moon is in Libra ruled by venus and venus is cancer ruled by moon-- so perhaps not to stressful then..

Neptune ruling 5th house of romance (modern western astrology here) and is placed in 5th. This suggests your love interests must have the same beliefs, values about money, possession and what would make you feel secure BUT we are talking about dreamy neptune which is hard to pin down and define and just causes confusion and demands sacrifices. Neptune square saturn is fear of unknown and square jupiter it over generous on occasions.

Where in a chart does a person see himself
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=157562#post157562

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm


House systems Traditional v Modern
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8463

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm

[flea]

Purrleo,
This is not an astrology comment.....but we do tend to see the best of people at the start of a relationship.... those rose coloured glasses. The signs are often apparent well before something drastic happens, but not always.

There are some quite big energies in your chart... I would guess you will learn an awful lot in your life time, as intensity tends to speed things up. Pluto/mars show some deep energy sources and movements.

When you are close to someone going through big stuff it teaches us a lot about life and not to desregard our feelings.... though it is important to look for the positive side of the big stuff.

FleaXXX

[smilingsteph]

Erika-
Oh my poor sister feels the same way! I hope things look up for you!!!

I looked at your chart and saw Uranus in the first house. Mentally I went right back to when Uranus started to go through my first house by tranist.
I met the wierdest people, and wonderful great people (in wierd situations). It seemed as though these people that I met were attracted to me in some way, not physically but they had told me like they knew me or felt comfortable around me.

Some of these wierdo's that came around were men.

One man told me that his wife couldnt have relations with him because he was on the large side and she had to have surgery. Then he wanted to give me his card to contact him!

Another guy told me that my lipstick was nice. Said that women wore lipstick to mimick the female parts below, to attract a mate. Then he looked at my shoes, said that they had heels. He said that the heels allowed for a forward tilt to the pelvis so that it would look as though the female was ready for childbearing!

Both situations happened on a plane by the way!

There were other stories but these were the worst by far.

It got so weird that I contacted another member here and we deduced at the time it was Uranus through my first house setting off my Uranus-venus opposition (I believe). Uranus is in the 9th house.

I think that Uranus in the 1st is a wonderful placement. It shows to others that you are unique, eccentric, fun. You might want to look up aquarius rising and see if that fits you. Along with the scorpio rising, I think people are naturally attracted to you. All types from all places.

Since I met most of these people from other places on planes during travel, I agree with Astrologer50!

I also agree with Kaminari. You have the power to change people! Power as pluto rules scorpio, pluto in the 12th house (maybe meeting people that are different/taboo from regular society), and Uranus rules 4th house, of home (where people may feel comfortable with you).

You also have chiron in your 7th house, and since I am still researching Chiron on my own, here is a website that may help.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/article...ninhouses.html

I think that this may be frustrating to you, but you are with them during these phases of transformation in their lives and it is a blessing that you are, because the 12th house pluto is about overcoming limitations.
You have the power to overcome limitations, and can be a teacher for these that need your help.
Also 12th house Plutonian people have the ability to heal others. Once you feel comfortable with the process of things breaking down to rebuild, you can help to heal these people.

[purrleo]

Kaminari= I know! Scorpio is sooo intense and I do tend to make people go towards change and transformation--I guess...I do probably put emphasis on the "other" as I do look for someone to complete me as I feel I want to find my other half...As far as them helping me on my soul path---not so much. I seem to be the one teaching them. I do, however, learn from my mistakes...How do I figure out when my progressed ascendent changes signs? That would be something to look into!

Thanks so much for your help!

Astrologer 50= I hope I will meet that person soon! I am noticing more and more people with masters and PhD's are coming into my life as I am interested in higher education as well....I have absolutely had stress related to my mother during my childhood!!!....I do feel that the person I am with should have the same beliefs, values, etc. as I feel we should be equal. I also do have a lot of confusion as far as how I feel, what I should expect from someone, and how I should act. I definitely doubt myself and my feelings a lot.... Thank you!

Smilingsteph= Wow! That is very weird! I have been noticing recently that I have been attracting very different people. I have also been attracting more people than I have ever in my life...I don't know what it is!

I am definitely unique, eccentric, and fun! Why aquarius rising? Should I also fit that?
Chiron in my 7th is VErY difficult. I have been researching this...

As far as healing people--that is very interesting. I wonder if that is something I will begin to notice more?
Thank You very much for your insight!!!

Flea= I know this is not an astrology question per se, but I have been getting the information I was seeking....I do feel like I have learned and will learn a lot in my life. I never want to stop learning, growing, changing...

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

He said that the heels allowed for a forward tilt to the pelvis so that it would look as though the female was ready for childbearing!

LOL I need to get outta this place & find a girl in heels.. I want to see..

Originally Posted by purrleo

How do I figure out when my progressed ascendent changes signs?

On astro.com you'll see in the chart selection, an option for 'progressed chart', etc. You can compare it to your natal. See if the Asc is in a new sign (probably) & when it changed: what happened? Did your appearance change? The environment, how you relate to people? I studied the progressions this year, looking back at my past. Saying "yes, I can relate this" when the Asc changed. I notice it kind of has an effect on the natal, maybe like a really really slowed down version of transits maybe?

I'm a believer in progressions. It's kind of like "this is where I'm at" for better or worse or "this is where I wanna be." I also notice that people come into my life (& I theirs) & how stunningly I can see their natal planets in my progressed chart, aspect stuff. They're kind of giving me energy, or I to them, or both. It's kind of cool. Recently (well, my whole life actually) I've been drawn to Aries. But now I seem to be really trying to understand how their energy has affected me, cause I'm really seeing it come out in me. Guess what? My progressed Moon was in Aries for a couple years up until this March. And my progressed Asc entered Aries this month. Very very interesting. I'm going to the gym a lot & trying to shed this Piscean Asc fat I've been gathering.

Lots of these things I've "admired" in Aries, like directness, independence, not harboring a hate for long, strength, etc I'm finding in myself. Under Neptune (Pisces) I really felt like I was trying to take in the whole world, understand it. All it did was left me confused. I guess as a Scorpio, I intensely feel life, so for me these progressions are profound.

Originally Posted by purrleo

Why aquarius rising?

Cause we're cool.

Uranus is our God. Well, he's one of many, but (for me) he was here first.

With Him in your 1st house, you'll identify with Aquarius stuff, or at least you should. That's probably what brought you here, to AC.

I know a Virgo w/ Libra Rising. She has Pluto on the Asc. She's like a Scorpio, with her penetrating eyes, her "secret garden" of information, all the glasses of wine at night, thinking about "love" & vampires & sex. She's crazy. (Like me lol)

[smilingsteph]

I agree Kaminari!!!

Yes we are wierd, eccentric and people WONT forget us!
We make a mark whereever we go.

I would think that you have some aquarian rising traits with Uranus there in the first house.

I was going to read the chart a bit again and I cannot seem to pull up the page...darn it!

Purrleo
Well I think you will always put out there a unique aquarian vibe that will naturally attract those that are a bit different. Plus Uranus in the first house says that you place that humanitarian vibe out to the world and people that need help are naturally attracted to you kind nature in that regards.
Since mine is by tranist, I sure have been dealing with some wierd people.

Kaminari-
That is too funny, but really that guy on the plane had a point I guess!
Go check out the lips on a gal, see if the flushed color isnt like a females southern parts...

I was so wanting to hit the flight attendant button to say "umm can you move me, my lips look like female organs, and my hips are tilted forward and they are turning this gross guy on."

Now that Uranus has moved a tiny bit, I have noticed that this has settled down a bit. I still meet unique people in wierd situations, but I think I am getting used to it.

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

Yes we are wierd, eccentric and people WONT forget us!
We make a mark whereever we go.

Nobody forgets me. But so always I do them. They need to stop being boring!! Uranus, my God.

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

Go check out the lips on a gal, see if the flushed color isnt like a females southern parts...

I never realized why I wanna give a woman's lips mine. Now I know. LOL

Uranus is great though. He really shakes things up, makes life interesting. I tell you, with Aquarius Rising, I'm so messed up & crazy. My family & friends don't always understand me, but they love me so so much. I imagine a first house Uranus would also want to get out there, that "Devil may care" guy or gal. I love love love them!!

[purrleo]

Kaminari= Wow! I am the girl in the garden. I love wine and vampires. I am a very eccentric and odd girl that dances to the beat of my own drum....I have found that every guy I date cannot forget me. They will all call me even years after all is said and done. They were done for me the minute we broke up...
Smilingsteph= I do feel that people are attracted to me because I am very different and unpredictable. I also am very loving and giving (humanitarian), so I can see how people may be attracted to me!

This has been very enlightening.

[07.Re]

Kam, my progressed asc moved into Scorpio around 13 years ago and I have definately taken on some Scorpio traits...natally Pluto is in my first house of Libra conjunct my Asc (with Mars).

Uranus is conjunct the sun in my first house / Libra... I'm told this makes me an honoury Uranian but I'm still in the process of learning about this.

[purrleo]

Kaminari= I did my progressed chart and my ASC is in scorpio now. What does this mean considering my ASC is scorpio?

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by purrleo

Kaminari= I did my progressed chart and my ASC is in scorpio now. What does this mean considering my ASC is scorpio?

Ooh la la!! Means those glasses of wine @ nite lol. Seriously, what degree? Yeah it means you're kind of approaching the world like a Scorpio Rising would, a bit intensely. Kind of like you're getting a 'second skin'. It all means something in relation to your chart, your story, this new experience. I am not Scorpio Rising, but my last girl has her prog Asc there & she has become more in control, focused on her desires (another guy, not me lol - still kinda friends), Scorpio like. PM me sometime to know more. I'm a Scorpio & can tell you a lot. Also look at your Moon, when it changed. I've found my feelings/interests change, like a kid who gets his/her toy then gets tired of playing with it, & after relentlessly wanting it he/she drops it for something way different.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by purrleo

Kaminari= I did my progressed chart and my ASC is in scorpio now. What does this mean considering my ASC is scorpio?

No one can view attachements at the moment, although admin are trying to resolve matters -- so in the meantime try this ----

Everyone I think I've found a temporary solution to attachments. If you upload via your control panel and save to your album and then copy and paste the link into your thread --- this seems to work. Only slight problem you may have to trim the size down to fit ie: 600 x 600 in some kind of software or accessories/paint first.

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars espec are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67
The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathamatical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.

Also I would take this opportunity to mention that in every forum here on AW, there are 'stickys' which cover, explain in great depth what each forum is all about, plus we have an Education forum for further research..

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by 07.Re

Kam, my progressed asc moved into Scorpio around 13 years ago and I have definately taken on some Scorpio traits...natally Pluto is in my first house of Libra conjunct my Asc (with Mars).

it's strange this all works. Do you find you filter information, not revealing everything? My Scorpio Rising friend is a Libra. He doesn't say much, but sometimes he stings me with information I don't want to know. It's done in all fairness & it's stuff I need to know. He doesn't even realize he stings like a Scorpio.

Uranus is conjunct the sun in my first house / Libra... I'm told this makes me an honoury Uranian but I'm still in the process of learning about this.

are you also drawn to crazy eccentrics, are they drawn to you?

I'm digressing from the original topic (sorry, but..)

There's this old Japanese guy with lipstick who goes to my coffee shop at the same time every afternoon, sits there reading a newspaper till closing time. His dress varies. But usually it's something like this: ok, he's skinny as a rail (legs as thin as a young woman's arm) & wears a leather biker's cap over his long, orange frizzy hair, a see through black fishnet type of shirt, gold chains, denim short-shorts (I'm not exaggerating short, seriously), with a huge, square Coco Chanel belt-buckle, black hose over his puny little legs & cheetah-fabric heels (to tilt his pelvis forward LOL!!!!!) & accessories galore. Now, he's interesting. I think he might be Uranus come down from the clouds, to have a smoke, coffee & to read about what's happening on earth.

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by kaminari

it's strange this all works. Do you find you filter information, not revealing everything? My Scorpio Rising friend is a Libra. He doesn't say much, but sometimes he stings me with information I don't want to know. It's done in all fairness & it's stuff I need to know. He doesn't even realize he stings like a Scorpio.



are you also drawn to crazy eccentrics, are they drawn to you?

I'm digressing from the original topic (sorry, but..)

There's this old Japanese guy with lipstick who goes to my coffee shop at the same time every afternoon, sits there reading a newspaper till closing time. His dress varies. But usually it's something like this: ok, he's skinny as a rail (legs as thin as a young woman's arm) & wears a leather biker's cap over his long, orange frizzy hair, a see through black fishnet type of shirt, gold chains, denim short-shorts (I'm not exaggerating short, seriously), with a huge, square Coco Chanel belt-buckle, black hose over his puny little legs & cheetah-fabric heels (to tilt his pelvis forward LOL!!!!!) & accessories galore. Now, he's interesting. I think he might be Uranus come down from the clouds, to have a smoke, coffee & to read about what's happening on earth.

Eccentrics interest me... I used to be scared of people who were very different and who I didn't understand....now I'm drawn to them. I want to sit down and have a conversation with them, find out who they are, what makes them tick.

Progressed Asc into Scorpio means I keep secrets... oh man I'm good with keeping secrets...LOL... even conversations I have with people aren't relayed to other people... and the funny thing is, that I feel compelled to not share information, whether its confidential or not.

I have been told by family members (in-laws) that when they first met me, they were a little scared of me and I could never work out why... I thought I was all sweet like a Libran should be... but I think having Pluto conjunct my natal Asc somehow broke through unspoken barriers without me even realising it.

I'm halfway through my progressed Scorpio Asc and in 13 years time, when I turn 50, my progressed Asc moves into Sagittarius... let the party begin...

[kaminari]

My Sun's in Sag now. Boy did I become an extrovert!! Get ready to travel friend & Rock & Roll party time. lol

Keeping secrets? What's that? With all those planets in Scorpio, I know everybody's secret. They don't even have to tell me. I see it in their words, language, body language when two "secret gardens" are in the same room. It's a curse.

I gotta be careful cause I have Aquarius Rising. The thing is, everybody holds me in confidence. I have to let out information somehow though & that's why I write. I change the names to protect the innocent.

[07.Re]

Originally Posted by kaminari

My Sun's in Sag now. Boy did I become an extrovert!! Get ready to travel friend & Rock & Roll party time. lol

Keeping secrets? What's that? With all those planets in Scorpio, I know everybody's secret. They don't even have to tell me. I see it in their words, language, body language when two "secret gardens" are in the same room. It's a curse.

I gotta be careful cause I have Aquarius Rising. The thing is, everybody holds me in confidence. I have to let out information somehow though & that's why I write. I change the names to protect the innocent.

Ha Ha...I have Aquarius ascendant in my relocated chart...

My hubby is a Scorpio sun too and he sees and feels things that my Libran sun misses...(I'm too busy looking at / for the beauty in the world)

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by 07.Re

Ha Ha...I have Aquarius ascendant in my relocated chart...

My hubby is a Scorpio sun too and he sees and feels things that my Libran sun misses...(I'm too busy looking at / for the beauty in the world)

Gawd we are so off-topic. That's Uranus for you.

Life is strange so strange me dear.

[Beautiful Chaos]

Hey there, this is a bit of thread hijack, being that I don't really have anything 'enlightening' to offer up on the astrological end. (Sidenote: my asc. is in Scorpio as well. So, I can relate to what some of you are saying. and you all are cracking me up!)

Also, after reading the commentary on progressed charts, I need to do that! I didn't even realize that you could select that as an option on astro.com, so I'm glad one of you mentioned it.

Ultimately, I was just popping in to say that you guys and gals seem like a fun, awesome bunch of peeps! I'm really enjoying exploring the comments on here and getting to know some of the personalities! What a great site!

Purrleo, it looks like you got some great advice, good luck!!

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by Beautiful Chaos

Hey there, this is a bit of thread hijack, being that I don't really have anything 'enlightening' to offer up on the astrological end. (Sidenote: my asc. is in Scorpio as well. So, I can relate to what some of you are saying. and you all are cracking me up!)

Also, after reading the commentary on progressed charts, I need to do that! I didn't even realize that you could select that as an option on astro.com, so I'm glad one of you mentioned it.

Ultimately, I was just popping in to say that you guys and gals seem like a fun, awesome bunch of peeps! I'm really enjoying exploring the comments on here and getting to know some of the personalities! What a great site!

Purrleo, it looks like you got some great advice, good luck!!

Perfect. We've been talking about Scorpio Rising all night (day there?) & finally you've arrived. Yeah I think that many of the issues have arisen because of progressed Scorpio Ascendant. Welcome Scorpio Rising! Yeah!!