Venus and Pluto

[endlesstarz]

So I noticed that people with Venus / Pluto challenging aspects think they are being subtle and seductive when they are in the midst of their manipulation- and perhaps it is very clear to me, having mars trine neptune, but i have witnessed this aspect interplay demonstrated in a situation the venus/pluto person who has a partner "flirts" with others in such a way that it can't be proven in a concrete manner. But they do it for 'control' of the situation, such as manipulating feelings of jealousy or competition on purpose, but is easily denied when approached about it. i find it frustrating, to see this interplay so clearly, and yet, usually being the one who is the spouse, or the outsider looking in, having brought this to people's attention, i get the accusation of being petty jealous! it must be a curse sometimes to "see" things that others cannot....

[WeAre]

Originally Posted by endlesstarz

So I noticed that people with Venus / Pluto challenging aspects think they are being subtle and seductive when they are in the midst of their manipulation- and perhaps it is very clear to me, having mars trine neptune, but i have witnessed this aspect interplay demonstrated in a situation the venus/pluto person who has a partner "flirts" with others in such a way that it can't be proven in a concrete manner. But they do it for 'control' of the situation, such as manipulating feelings of jealousy or competition on purpose, but is easily denied when approached about it. i find it frustrating, to see this interplay so clearly, and yet, usually being the one who is the spouse, or the outsider looking in, having brought this to people's attention, i get the accusation of being petty jealous! it must be a curse sometimes to "see" things that others cannot....

Hi . I love coming to this site and seeing what type of synchronicity is in store for me. today I see many!!! This post makes me laugh... how much I relate ... hee.

"challenging" venus/pluto aspects ...? "challenging" . ... I'm always a bit hesitant to pinpoint pos/neg aspects ... more balance the pos/neg within the aspect.
I have dealt with someone whose venus quincunx pluto.
I know exactly what you mean about the obvious "flirting"!!! definitely.
Recently,
We have reached a new point in our relationship that leaves us both very vulnerable .... and open ... pretty much because we hit rock bottom ... and theres nowhere to go but "up". .... and nothing to speak but honesty.
So...
I'm seeing this "flirting" ( and many things )... in a different light ....
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...unx-pluto.php:
"With Venus inconjunct Pluto, you may overburden yourself by giving to excess in your emotional relationships. You need to be more moderate in your contacts with others. There is always an element of stress associated with your feelings for the opposite sex. You tend to fall for the sob-story and find yourself making commitments to people hwo don't mean that much to you. It is your desire for acceptance and approval that makes you overextend your efforts for others."

I quite simply see the "manipulation" ... as such a weakness . .. that I feel more pity than upset.
I've always tried to address his "lack of boundaries" ... is how I put it.
(taurus north node...i read has this issue... his is)
My lack of trust in his actions has shaken him to his core .
... I've thought he was being ridiculous and obviously manipulative.
...... but maybe, now i see, that he truly does "associate an element of stress with the opposite sex."
..... and it is about him extending himself to others ...a natural inclination to do this ...... to me to.

I wish I knew more what you meant by "challenging". ... cuz its hard for me to not get to into the quincunx scenario ... given my experience.

I had never tied pluto and venus in that way... so its interesting.

And I COMPLETELY understand you being so aware. .... and accused of jealousy etc.etc.
When I'm centered. .... my intuition is through the roof!
to frightening extents. ....especially with interpersonal relations.
for the past 5 years, I've tried to believe others calling me nuts in this way.
.... but just yesterday!!!!literally ... I was further proven that I really am correct in my concern.
..... I called an ex ... to genuinely wish him well. Well, the only woman I ever questioned him with answered the phone ... they had a baby together earlier this year!
... hee! fortunately , I'm honestly happy for them.
and thrilled to prove my intuition.
I've gotten sick the last 5 years, I mentioned. ... masking myself.
by the way...
a different ex has already married and divorced a different woman of my concern. ..... I was even able to say ( when we were together and after I met her ) .... "Listen , you guys have something between you. ... I'm definitely not envious of what it is . ... but its there."
I got that call earlier this year.
he wanted to know "how did i know?" ... and moreso ..." how did I know it would be 'bad'?"
lifes funny.
I don't know how I know.
I have many planets in pisces . ... my moon is is my 12th house .
Actually, endlessstarz,
my moon is conjunct your sun.
jupiter, pluto, and mercury/mars(conjunct) trine in water.

...I'm not interested in getting too into my own aspects here.
do you know what provides you the awareness?i
.....quite simply...
I relate.
My discovery yesterday re: my intuition really has my head spinning. ...its, apparently very real.
It can be difficult to live life with this 'knowledge' that others (at least say) they dont see.
I've been waiting for a decade for someone to recognize a certain way I feel ...very certain of. .... its so hard!
.......like I've said, ... I try to mask it.... but I get acne when i do!
goodness.
with all my pisces ... I've tried to tack it up to disillusion . but I really don't get the feedback that disillusion is the issue.
(that topic is for me to start on another thread)
... I have yet to get the full story on neptune... it can be that bad. .... and theres gotta be a way to manifest what it says!!!

So... not sure if you wanted to address the venus/pluto flirting....
or the intuition.
but I relate to both.

[Lost_spirit]

I don't think they do it on purpose,it's just the only way for them to keep the feelings alive,at least that's what they think.A person having Venus afflicted by Pluto,I believe,experiences his love feelings by suffering.There's just no other way for them.They experience jealousy to the limits,control issues,uncontrolable passions and destructiveness when they love.So what do they do?They try to share their suffering and pain with the other person,by trying to make them feel like they do,jealous.And if this doesn't work,it drives them crazy.That's what my little experience on this has showed me.

[endlesstarz]

Originally Posted by WeAre

Hi . I love coming to this site and seeing what type of synchronicity is in store for me. today I see many!!! This post makes me laugh... how much I relate ... hee.

"challenging" venus/pluto aspects ...? "challenging" . ... I'm always a bit hesitant to pinpoint pos/neg aspects ... more balance the pos/neg within the aspect.
I have dealt with someone whose venus quincunx pluto.
I know exactly what you mean about the obvious "flirting"!!! definitely.
Recently,
We have reached a new point in our relationship that leaves us both very vulnerable .... and open ... pretty much because we hit rock bottom ... and theres nowhere to go but "up". .... and nothing to speak but honesty.
So...
I'm seeing this "flirting" ( and many things )... in a different light ....
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...unx-pluto.php:
"With Venus inconjunct Pluto, you may overburden yourself by giving to excess in your emotional relationships. You need to be more moderate in your contacts with others. There is always an element of stress associated with your feelings for the opposite sex. You tend to fall for the sob-story and find yourself making commitments to people hwo don't mean that much to you. It is your desire for acceptance and approval that makes you overextend your efforts for others."

I quite simply see the "manipulation" ... as such a weakness . .. that I feel more pity than upset.
I've always tried to address his "lack of boundaries" ... is how I put it.
(taurus north node...i read has this issue... his is)
My lack of trust in his actions has shaken him to his core .
... I've thought he was being ridiculous and obviously manipulative.
...... but maybe, now i see, that he truly does "associate an element of stress with the opposite sex."
..... and it is about him extending himself to others ...a natural inclination to do this ...... to me to.

I wish I knew more what you meant by "challenging". ... cuz its hard for me to not get to into the quincunx scenario ... given my experience.

I had never tied pluto and venus in that way... so its interesting.

And I COMPLETELY understand you being so aware. .... and accused of jealousy etc.etc.
When I'm centered. .... my intuition is through the roof!
to frightening extents. ....especially with interpersonal relations.
for the past 5 years, I've tried to believe others calling me nuts in this way.
.... but just yesterday!!!!literally ... I was further proven that I really am correct in my concern.
..... I called an ex ... to genuinely wish him well. Well, the only woman I ever questioned him with answered the phone ... they had a baby together earlier this year!
... hee! fortunately , I'm honestly happy for them.
and thrilled to prove my intuition.
I've gotten sick the last 5 years, I mentioned. ... masking myself.
by the way...
a different ex has already married and divorced a different woman of my concern. ..... I was even able to say ( when we were together and after I met her ) .... "Listen , you guys have something between you. ... I'm definitely not envious of what it is . ... but its there."
I got that call earlier this year.
he wanted to know "how did i know?" ... and moreso ..." how did I know it would be 'bad'?"
lifes funny.
I don't know how I know.
I have many planets in pisces . ... my moon is is my 12th house .
Actually, endlessstarz,
my moon is conjunct your sun.
jupiter, pluto, and mercury/mars(conjunct) trine in water.

...I'm not interested in getting too into my own aspects here.
do you know what provides you the awareness?i
.....quite simply...
I relate.
My discovery yesterday re: my intuition really has my head spinning. ...its, apparently very real.
It can be difficult to live life with this 'knowledge' that others (at least say) they dont see.
I've been waiting for a decade for someone to recognize a certain way I feel ...very certain of. .... its so hard!
.......like I've said, ... I try to mask it.... but I get acne when i do!
goodness.
with all my pisces ... I've tried to tack it up to disillusion . but I really don't get the feedback that disillusion is the issue.
(that topic is for me to start on another thread)
... I have yet to get the full story on neptune... it can be that bad. .... and theres gotta be a way to manifest what it says!!!

So... not sure if you wanted to address the venus/pluto flirting....
or the intuition.
but I relate to both.

By challenging, i refer to conjunction, opposition and square, as beinghte most obvious, but i also am aware of your challenges being your strength, as well as strengths being your weaknesses, such as someone who might abuse their venus and pluto harmonious aspects, becasue it comes so naturally to them, this kind of seductive magnetic charismatic energy, that I too obviously have been attracted to. The situation was one where i see the venus pluto person constantly setting up scenarios in which a third person is involved as sort of an escape, or a "just in case" factor, or a mere role player in this type of "threesome" secenario. The 3rd person playing that role of being the one who can seduce this married person, or that married person using this 3rd person as a control factor. If you keepa person feeling insecure, it makes people feel powerful in a way, as if to keep themselves "safe" from being hurt, or- its that they want to control a situation by obtaining what they want when they want it, regardless of feeling s involved. it all boils down to "control" and becasue venus is involved, it would have to relate anything emotional, or sexuality, or attractiveness. I have seen this combo basically "work" it (their energies) in such a way to create this intrigue or sense of mystery mixed with a little "harmless" flirting.... i have actually then been approached on the actual idea of a 3some, and i attribute the same energies to this. Its not necessairly shocking and taboo for me, but since i have venus in taurus, it highlited my own "issues" of possesiveness and insecurity, as well as triggered me to not take for granted smelling rats out when necessary, thanks to my mars trine neptune... other than that, i tend to question some of these intuitions, or have in the past, due to moon /jupiter in pisces, squaring neptune, i have to be careful, in general.

[endlesstarz]

i agree, lost spirit, i dont think its on purpose, pluto being subversive, but that drives me nuts, because i KNOW this, but they don't.... so - i'm watching this, like a movie, before my eyes, this flirtation... then upon confrontation of it, "hey i know whats going on, what IS going on?" i get - "oh shes just my close friend, or shes just like my sister, i never slept with her, i never called her back," so, im the jealous one, im the insecure one, which i never denied, i got my own issues too- but it incredibly frustrating to go thru this knowing deep inside that i am correct in my "senses". but over the last few years, i have learned to sharpen my abilities to "sniff" it out before it becomes a problem in my life. part of the problem before, was that i did question myself too much out of insecurity, when it really pointed to that- i needed to learn how to be firm with my own boundaries, regardless of the 3rd person being there or not.