Care to guess Lady Gaga's ascendant?

[Vagabondgirl]

See! She can be pretty and feminine too She is eccentric though. Uranian influence? She does really stands out and breaks the clothing code in some way. Goes her own way when it comes to fashion. Venus-uranus influences touching the AC perhaps?

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...Ga_737616a.jpg

[Ebenia]

Originally Posted by Vagabondgirl

I bet there are ugly and pretty people with all AC signs.

I have NEVER said that I think Lady Gaga (or anyone else) is ugly. ???

If she would have a early Capricorn ASC, it would also mean that she would have Venus exactly conjunct her IC and also opposite her MC. This could also show her interest in fashion and stuff.

[Vagabondgirl]

Ah, ok Some have said that kind of stuff about her.

But also she has some water in her face, but it could also be the scorpio moon?

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

Haha! I was right!



But the time given is 9:30, I wonder if it's only an approximation.

(chart is suspect)

[Vagabondgirl]

Originally Posted by Pallas-trine-Mars

Haha! I was right!



But the time given is 9:30, I wonder if it's only an approximation.

Yeah! Me too Or I guessed gemini or taurus at least:P The change of style, clothes, hair explains the gemini rising I guess. I heard we like to change style/hair etc. And the ruler in pisces gives the watery look about her eyes maybe? As well as moon in scorpio maybe.

And if this is correct venus is aspecting both AC and MC.

[Vagabondgirl]

Originally Posted by templeton

If this time is correct, we were both off by half an hour. I guessed Gemini first though, so I'm the winner. You made your post on 12/29, I made the following post on 12/16:

Post #34

And I also added this later in the day - "I picked late Gemini in the Aquarius decante, because of how young she looks and her lean figure."
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...2&postcount=37

I was going strictly on her appearance, whereas others made their choices based on speculative insights into her personality.

I strongly agree with the Aquarian or Uranian influence

[Ebenia]

That ASC would definitely fit her, but we have to remember that there has been many times wrong details in the Astrotheme. So we cannot be 100% sure until it comes from Lady Gaga's own mouth.

Definitely that could work, giving her Mars, Uranus and Neptune oppositions to ASC, which would fit pretty well.

[beatnikgirl]

I think the Pallas in Cancer in the 1st house is very interesting given people making many unkind comments and speculations about Lady Ga Ga's gender.
Pallas is often associated with unconventional females.

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

Originally Posted by templeton

If this time is correct, we were both off by half an hour. I guessed Gemini first though, so I'm the winner. You made your post on 12/29, I made the following post on 12/16:

Post #34

And I also added this later in the day - "I picked late Gemini in the Aquarius decante, because of how young she looks and her lean figure."
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...2&postcount=37

I was going strictly on her appearance, whereas others made their choices based on speculative insights into her personality.

Yes, but you see, I called "right" first, and anyone who's ever played Uno knows that's what counts.

Physical appearance IMO doesn't work out alot. I was going by personality and other things as well that led me to settle on Gemini rising. I get where Ccpup is going a bit with Leo rising, especially considering her recent yellow hairstyle, though that could be considered Aries:

1. Peace supporter and promiscuity, so Venus must be pretty important in her chart.

2. Her entourage is full of Venusian types as well, fashionistas, provocative dancers and so again we see Venus in her house of friends.

3. The ruler of the house of friends is in Capricorn, and so those people have helped her on her way up and she has helped them as well, also the sextile made with Venus and the MC.

4. Jupiter in 10th and she talks alot of her morals.

5. I figure her chart ruler MUST be in her tenth considering of course that she's done a lot of work advancing and succeeding.

6. Speculation about sexuality, but minus Pluto's dark aura and dedication to her career and fans and Vesta conjunct midheaven.

7. Humanitarian Sun in 11th.

I thought the Libra decan because of all the fashion she wears, I thought the 15th degree because of a few other subdivisions, so those were my guesses that led me to it :\.

Originally Posted by beatnikgirl

I think the Pallas in Cancer in the 1st house is very interesting given people making many unkind comments and speculations about Lady Ga Ga's gender.
Pallas is often associated with unconventional females.

I strongly disagree with that, in my research of Pallas it's anything but unconventional, unless maybe I guess Uranus makes a strong aspect or conjunct, that's the one that's called unconventional. According to Astrotheme Martha Stewart and Vanessa Williams have Pallas in first in water signs (Vanessa has Pallas right on her Asc) and Marcia Cross has Pallas combust, none really has a reputation for being unconvention. Pallas has probably helped Gaga develop her talents among other things.

Lady Gaga's unconventional behavior I think is probably because of Uranus' position and the opposition with the ascendant and sextile with MC, which it rules if this data is correct.

[Vagabondgirl]

Hahahaha. Does it matter who was right first? More importantly maybe is WHY one chose the "right" answer and resonnating to it and aspects around it perhaps?

Well, I dont really know what the two of you are competing about. But have fun!

[synthesis]

While this chart makes sense astrotheme has had MANY inaccurate charts, and I mean many. Unlike Astrodatbank who gives the source and rates the source credibility, astrotheme accepts any source. So someone might simply have emailed them a personally rectified chart.

I gotta say I would like to know who gave the birth time and what it's based on.

[RockFish]

Gemini fits, but where is the source? Who is the source?

No source, no certainty.

[synthesis]

I emailed astrotheme and asked about the source.

They replied:

"Hi,

From an email, March 17, 2010, 5:13 PM:

"Lady Gaga was born around 9:30 am in Yonkers, NY. For her birthdate she would be Gemini rising. "

You can write there to get more explanation: liedderallesjahzeiten@hotmail.com (the author of this information, Vallin SFAS).

Have a nice day.

Best regards,

--

Astrotheme Team


"


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Update:

And now I've emailed this person liedderallesjahzeiten@hotmail.com and asked where he/she got it, awaiting a reply.

[RockFish]

Hmmmmmmmm, are you gonna write to them?

I can write, but if you already did, I won't spam them with the same question.

[synthesis]

I don't think it'd hurt to spam them with the same question as it just shows that more people are interested to know the accuracy of the information ...

[RockFish]

Alrighty then, I'm doin' it!

[Vagabondgirl]

Originally Posted by templeton

Nah. There's no fighting. We're both the winners. I'm the #1 winner, and he's the #2 winner. But let's face facts. It was never going to be cappy. A Capricorn ascendant could never fake being that cool, no matter how hard they tried.

Haha, poor cappys

[RockFish]

A Capricorn ascendant could never fake being that cool, no matter how hard they tried.

Or that frivolous? AHEM!!!

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

Originally Posted by templeton

Nah. There's no fighting. We're both the winners. I'm the #1 winner, and he's the #2 winner. But let's face facts. It was never going to be cappy. A Capricorn ascendant could never fake being that cool, no matter how hard they tried.

Lol yeah we're just kidding, don't you know you usually never take a comment followed by a wink seriously? You must need more practice at the internet, Vagabondgirl. ..And actually if you go back to post#11 you'll see I guessed Gemini first (soiwinyay! )

Templeton, why'd you use asteroid 1930 in your chart?

Marishka Hargitay and Colin Farrell aren't so bad and I think someone mentioned Jane Fonda before (goats rising according to Astrotheme though I see some people aren't so certain of their info), Jane's definitely a different kind of Capricorn. Wah! My ascendant is the Capricorn decan!

[RockFish]

But Oy Vey. Let's get back to the thread subject. So has anybody heard back from the reputed source?

Still waiting, nothing yet.

If this is normal practice at Astrotheme - someone emails them, "hey, I know This or That birthdata", and that's enough for them to throw the info on the web - then I'd rather wait for some other source.

[RockFish]

If they don't vet their sources, then I've got about 100 purported birth times I would like to email them.

LOL, me too, and all of them are Cap rising.

[synthesis]

Originally Posted by theM

I still vote for Pisces-rising
-She just presents herself as a surreal person
-She was addicted to drugs
-She says that she feels like a freak, like an outsider
-She is dramatic and just so devoted in bizarre fashion and art
-She is dreamy and loves poetry
-She acts the whole time and is always changing
=>She is a mistery: Totally Pisces.

That's not a pisces rising, it's her scorpio moon conjunct pluto and mercury in pisces conjunct jupiter.

[synthesis]

I haven't heard anything yet either...

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

Originally Posted by templeton

I hereby proclaim Post #11 is stricken from the proceedings. [deleted a joke about astrological sign which might be misunderstood by others - Moderator] So therefore, I deserve heaps of praise for being the first one to guess Lady Gaga's ascendant correctly. So please everyone direct your compliments towards me from henceforth this moment on.

But Oy Vey. Let's get back to the thread subject. So has anybody heard back from the reputed source?

Then I must declare you the first person to guess Gaga's ascendant correctly! Congratulations and enjoy your trophy! (even though it's mine Lol)

Also, her Mercury seems pretty strong over her: The way she speaks, the often romantic and indirect meanings of all of her songs (Pisces)... There was even speculation that she was a Pisces and her Pisces Mercury can seem to stick out much more than a typical Aries with Pisces Mercury, so I can believe the Gemini asc. which would be ruled by such a Mercury, but I guess the shadow of doubt does remain..

[theM]

Originally Posted by synthesis

That's not a pisces rising, it's her scorpio moon conjunct pluto and mercury in pisces conjunct jupiter.

I think that these two aspects are not enough.
For me her rising sign=image,personality seems to be Pisces and not Gemini.