It's weird

[Flapjacks]

Hi, could I get another set of eyes on this? I've been looking at the synastry between one of my professors in college and myself for a stupidly long time because of how much he affects me for apparently no reason (besides being way too Scorpio ).

I'm totally "in love" with the guy even though he's four decades older than me, and it threw me for a loop. I just ignore it socially, using the tension to study harder. The more I've been around him the easier it is to handle. Though if I talk to him for more than five minutes I suddenly realize my heart is racing.

I'm wondering what it means to have my Venus, Jupiter and Ascendant make several contacts but not much else, excluding the unknown placements of his AC and Moon. Also all his outer planets contacting mine but little of the reverse or inner planet contacts. Pretty one sided, yah?


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I'm also speculating over the 6th house, because he is a scientist and I aspire to be, and also in the composite there is Sun/Mercury/Pluto conjunction in Virgo, all trine Jupiter and sextile Neptune.

I know this is probably silly but would someone take a look and see what they think? My chart is on the inside. Why does it feel so weird? Thank you.

[lillyjgc]

Hi Flapjacks!.
Maybe its weird because his uranus /sat is pretty much cj your asc....but before I continue I need to establish a couple of things:
Firstly how were you able to get the professor's birth time and are you sure it's correct?
Personally I dont think synastry charts can tell us if we are going to be with someone-and are only mildly helpful usually due to the fact that one can have *amazing synastry* but still effectively no real relationship with another person.Unless both birth times are accurate the info won't be a big help.
So, before we go on looking, how reliable is this birth info?
In some countries its also illegal for professors to engage in intimate relationships with their students...like where I live, its illegal.I'm aware youre not asking about that, but in case it's a sub-text, it might be better to keep things general from a delineation point of view.
Nothing *fantastic* jumps out at me though, synastry wise here.The trine between your jupiters could describe your connection through ninth house matters, though.(I prefer to put the data into my own program though so i can be more accurate...in this chart its pretty hard to decipher the degrees.)
Cheers
Lillyjgc

[Flapjacks]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Hi Flapjacks!.
Maybe its weird because his uranus /sat is pretty much cj your asc....but before I continue I need to establish a couple of things:
Firstly how were you able to get the professor's birth time and are you sure it's correct?
Personally I dont think synastry charts can tell us if we are going to be with someone-and are only mildly helpful usually due to the fact that one can have *amazing synastry* but still effectively no real relationship with another person.Unless both birth times are accurate the info won't be a big help.

Hey Lilly,
Oops, I guess in editing I forgot to include that it is not an accurate birth time. I am aware that this can throw a synastry comparison off quite a bit, but I don't think it makes it invalid. But perhaps it is a matter of the birth time, because not much jumps out at me either so I've been having a hard time understanding my reaction... at the same time I think that part of it, the AC and moon, would be more related to HIS reaction than mine. Because I don't have a birthtime, I don't want to try to "figure out" what he thinks of me through astrology. It makes me uncomfortable to do that, anyway.

The things I have found is that we both have Mercury square Pluto natally in reversed signs (Leo and Scorpio) and vaguely conjunct (5 and 7 degrees) and the composite has the conjunction at 1 degree. My Venus/Mars midpoint is conj his Mercury, and since the two are trine natally, they are sextile his Merc and Venus is sextile Mars. We also both have Jupiter trine Sun in water signs, leading to that Jupiter trine Jupiter and Sun conjunction, and Jupiter trine his Sun/Venus. The closest aspects are the Venus square Saturn, at 30 minutes separating, Jupiter trine Sun at 52 minutes applying, and although I don't know how much it matters, his Pluto is sextile my Ascendant at 1 minute separating. I'm also wondering about the Jupiter opposition to my Moon in the 9th house, which is at 1 degree separating, as possibly being the source for exaggerating my emotions in an academic setting. I swear any scorn/rejection would break me apart.

No subtext, at most I would like to have him as a mentor. My cappy Mars does give me the control to keep my random 8th house desires in check. Actually the most annoying thing is that I have a very strong desire to give him a BIG hug whenever I see him and I have to stop myself lol

When I was reading about aspects from the short definitions, a lot of them were spot on so I think I can look at the synastry and glean some things. Skyviewzone, which I often take with a grain of salt, said about Jupiter in third house: "Your communications tend to be open and uninhibited, freely covering a wide variety of topics and philosophical approaches... Your conversations may wander because you both are easily distracted and have difficulty staying on any one topic."

Once in the span of two minutes we went from talking about why half the students failed his test to someone we both knew shaving their head, to whether or not pork bacon was better than turkey bacon. I honestly don't know how it happened.

I actually worry about him off and on, because I know he doesn't eat like he should, or sleep like he should, and he drinks way too much coffee and is very physically active, climbing mountains and all. One of his colleagues died while leading a class trip of a heart attack and this professor took over for him. Later I overheard part of a conversation the prof was having with another man who didn't hear about this. The man asked how that colleague was doing, and the prof said he was dead and they just sorta walked in silence for a while before talking about how everyone seemed to be dying. It felt very sad and I was the only one to catch that solemn moment.

[lillyjgc]

Hi-Venus square Saturn is a poor synastry aspect.You appear to have the Moon opp the sun natally so his jupiter conjuncting the sun end of that opposition could be an overbalancing effect. The mercury squares to Pluto aren't good either, often indicating dogmatic views or overbearing beliefs, creating an uneasy and possibly unhealthy intensity.
Because we don't have the other persons ascendant, we can't tell how you impact on the professor's image, health or persona-pretty important in regard to the question.His sun/venus conjunction falls in your sixth house of daily affairs, as one would expect in a teacher/student relationship, trining jupiter, ruler of universities and higher learning.
If you are wanting to hug this person, my hunch is your feelings arent limited to mentoring.
*His* Jupiter is in your third house, yes but opposed by your moon.I seriously don't see anything here that indicates a relationship of any major significance-not based on this chart anyway-without data its just not going to show us how close aspects are.Without the degrees, how can we tell?
Lilly

[Flapjacks]

I only wrote minutes on some of those because the degree is 0. I apologize for being unclear. I sent you the birth data cause you asked and I don't want to display it publicly. I wish astro did show the degrees for synastry, but most that do show up there are between 0 and 3 degrees because I like to keep orbs tight.

Yes, my feelings aren't limited to mentoring, but I don't think that gives me the right to pursue them in an inappropriate way. I didn't ask for them but I do intend to learn from them. As far as significance goes, because it is producing significant responses in me I'm trying to find the correlations for that. If it is not "significant" for him it doesn't matter in the context of a teacher/student relationship, although I know I can learn a lot in his classes anyway. I respect the boundaries of such a relationship and so my interest in this synastry is purely for self-discovery in order to better manage my responses, and as you can see with those Pluto squares, are often intense.

[lillyjgc]

Flap-I just hope his Sat square yr venus doesnt result in you being hurt in some way.When you consider synastry you need to see a few good aspects-the two charts have no trines and only a couple of sextiles...his pluto sextile yr asc wouldnt be of much significance except it implies the contact has an element of transformation.The negative aspects are fairly bad too in terms of this turning out well...sat squ venus, uran. opposite saturn-VERY destabilising that one! Mars squ yr sun/merc..shows how he acts will impact on your self expression and mental clarity-not in a good way. His merc squares the ruler of your mind too, suggesting impediment to clear thinking, for you...
What makes you feel theres something special going on here? I'm curious because these charts arent really saying that to me.
Lil

[Flapjacks]

Lilly,
Really, no good aspects at all? That might explain why it is such a bother, honesty. Maybe jolly Jupiter is the one holding it together because its so prevalent. Hrm... The composite Saturn is conjunct my Venus, and composite Mars opposed his Saturn and conjunct my DC, square composite Saturn and composite Uranus, which are oppose each other as well as in the synastry. My Venus and AC are totally in the line of fire even there, aren't they? Heh, more terrible I suppose. But it might not be just me, with those big boys in play. The whole class could be a part of it since most of them are my age or a bit younger (meaning most of their Pluto is conjunct his Mars/Merc even closer on top of the fact that many of them have Uranus conjunct Saturn in Sag while he has the same configuration opposite in Gemini).

Aw ****. WELL at least classes won't be dull. Like I said, half the students failed his last test and its going to be fun fun fun to reconcile that. I feel supportive of his efforts to because its obvious he is genuinely astounded. I hope Jupiter does offer some good will. Perspective is good anyway, right? Thanks again, Lilly!

EDIT: whoa, now that I think about it.... Sag Saturn/Uranus meets Gemini Saturn/Uranus... most of the class have it and most of them I spoke to felt the test was too technical with random "trivia" they didn't think they had to know. Oh dear.

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by Flapjacks

Lilly,
Really, no good aspects at all?

Not even his Uranus conjunct her Ascendant, Lilly?

[lillyjgc]

Hi EJ,
Usually I'd see Uranus cj the asc as an aspect that causes extreme restlessness.In this case, the Professors Uranus opposes Flap's Saturn, so no, I dont think its a good aspect...but like I mentioned in my first post, that position of Uranus may explain the *weirdness* that Flap experiences in terms of the Prof.
Just a thought.
Lilly

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

...Usually I'd see Uranus cj the asc as an aspect that causes extreme restlessness.

Initially though, Lilly......is this not an indicator of "love at first sight", and a contact which enables him to be his uninhibited self because that's what she loves most?

In this case, the Professors Uranus opposes Flap's Saturn, so no, I dont think its a good aspect...

But Uranus can teach Saturn to enjoy being in Sagittarius......how to "have life, and have it more abundantly"......before he moves on to the next "project" that attracts his fleeting attention.

Good to exchange comments with you again, Lilly.

EJ

[Mtle640]

Some observations that can help explain why you are attracted to him:

His Mercury conjunct your Venus/Mars midpoint: You are turned on by his intelligence and the way he express it (his merc. cj. his mars).

His Saturn square your Venus and conjunct your ASC: Karmic tie aspect. Strong initial attraction to encourage the creation of a stable, bonding relationship but then, emotional repression, coldness will gradually develop. Often, the Saturn person will be hyper-critical towards the ASC person. Love can turn to hate (violence may be a feature if Mars conflictual aspects is also involved). That is how karma is worked out with bad Saturn aspects. Plenty of strong positive aspects (involving venus and/or jupiter) elsewhere in the synastry is needed to counter-balance and keep the negative impact of a Saturn affliction at a manageable level for long term.
Emotional maturity level (not age!) of the partners (especially Saturn one) can also help avoid the negativity.

His Jupiter oppose your Moon: Can stimulate you to be over-emotional when you interact with him or even when just thinking about him.

Saturn is ruler of you 8th house and also conjunct your DSC can explain sexual attraction to much older partners and mentor/pupil relationships.

Also, the tight Saturn-Uranus opposition cannot be a good sign if we look at the mythology even though it is a generational aspect.

[Flapjacks]

EG and Mtle, thanks for the comments. I thought it was odd that *his* Uranus would be oppose my Saturn, since usually Uranus is associated with the upstart youth and Saturn the authority figure.

Since this isn't a long term relationship, aside for about a year of school, I'm hoping it won't be a big problem. I had a feeling that something important is supposed to happen with it since this started... like my interaction with him is going to change me somehow, except I don't know what is to happen exactly. It might be just something as simple as being totally rejected by someone I admire, and the resulting I'll-show-you-I-can-do-it effect that would have. That would suck, though.

I think what might also be fueling this is the synastry is so strong for a mentor/pupil relationship. My Sun/Moon are in the 3rd/9th house already, his Jupiter is tightly aspecting both of them, and then the Gemini/Sag axis where my AC/DC also become affected by Saturn, another teaching planet, and Uranus, the inquisitive one. On top of that Mercury is strong in both our charts and in the interaspects.... so the two plants and the two houses and the two signs associated with learning and the mind are all over (Mercury, Jupiter, Gemini, Sag, 3rd, 9th). With Saturn and Uranus adding a lot of tension.

I don't know if he would actually want to be in a mentoring role. He is somewhat nebulous in his conduct... like I thought he didn't give a darn about a project that I received a lot of praise for, and then out of the blue months later he starts asking me all these questions related to it when I was busy working on something, so I was at once annoyed and delighted.

Then I received attention over an interview that every faculty member that knew me and some that didn't mentioned to me. Even though he also saw the interview, he never said a word. Later another professor told me that he was excited when he saw it. I can't be sure if they were exaggerating. I'm perplexed as to why he didn't say anything when everyone else did. And he's the one that I want to impress the most.

[Mtle640]

From what you described (the nebulous, conflicting behaviours), I think it is a possibility that he is also attracted to you but is trying very to hard to hide it (for professional and ethical reasons) by showing coolness and disinterest when he might actually be feeling the opposite inside. But it is hard to perfectly hide strong feelings so little bits slip out here and there. It looks like conflicting, weird behaviours and hard to decipher, but if you fit the bits together you get clues to better understand what is going on . Common acquaintances and associates can be helpful to gain more insight, but away keep it subtle.

I see that he has Sun, Venus, Mercury and Mars all in Scorpio plus Mars square Pluto. That is a lot of plutonic energy so he may be secretive and hard to figure out so this certainly makes the hypothesis more plausible.

You have Pluto square Mercury so you should avoid letting this build into an obsession .

[Flapjacks]

Originally Posted by Mtle640

From what you described (the nebulous, conflicting behaviours), I think it is a possibility that he is also attracted to you but is trying very to hard to hide it (for professional and ethical reasons) by showing coolness and disinterest when he might actually be feeling the opposite inside.

That would be soothing to my ego, but I don't want to make assumptions. I've acted awkward, dodgy and avoidant because of my own feelings periodically. I don't think he entirely trusts me, perhaps because he sees the I am attracted and doesn't want to foster those feelings... or maybe he just sees my awkwardness and doesn't know what to make of it so he keeps a distance.

From what everyone said, I'm definitely understanding where it is probably coming up the most in the synastry... Uranus conjunct Ascendant and opposite Saturn, Jupiter opposition moon, and so on. I still hope that these aren't just all negative, and there is SOME redeeming quality for it.

Originally Posted by Mtle640

You have Pluto square Mercury so you should avoid letting this build into an obsession .

Yeah, definately. That's why I try to obsess over the class material instead. Thanks for your insight, Mtle

[Flapjacks]

Originally Posted by Mtle640

His Saturn square your Venus and conjunct your ASC: Karmic tie aspect. Strong initial attraction to encourage the creation of a stable, bonding relationship but then, emotional repression, coldness will gradually develop. Often, the Saturn person will be hyper-critical towards the ASC person. Love can turn to hate (violence may be a feature if Mars conflictual aspects is also involved). That is how karma is worked out with bad Saturn aspects. Plenty of strong positive aspects (involving venus and/or jupiter) elsewhere in the synastry is needed to counter-balance and keep the negative impact of a Saturn affliction at a manageable level for long term.
Emotional maturity level (not age!) of the partners (especially Saturn one) can also help avoid the negativity.

I wanted to post here again to see how accurate your ideas of how this might play out are. I've re-read these posts, and it's been a while now so there has been more time to see what sort of relationship might develop.

What Mtle said especially has turned out to be spot on. This part in particular I didn't see at the time you wrote it. It's funny how Venus/Jupiter came into it... violence has turned into a show of affection, especially verbally but sometimes physical threats of abuse. Unfortunately there is an undertone that it can turn antagonistic if either of us is in a particularly bad mood.

The other day he was irritated, which turned into being irritated at me for what I thought was a stupid reason (I don't care if he's having a bad day don't take it out on me), and his "joking" wasn't joking. It pissed me off and we made cutting remarks at each other the whole class. Then I was sick and feeling terrible one day, and I was kidding wholeheartedly, but I pretended I was going to hit him with unexpected force after he made fun of me. He responded by taunting me to actually hit him.

Everything seems to require constant readjustment. Sometimes he is straight-forward, and other times he veils his intentions, which I see through most of the time and he likes that. But I don't know what to do when he says things like "go ahead, hit me". I know he was serious. He was going to be serious as long as he thought I was, but when I backed off he backed off, and the tension broke into a joke after we'd finished sizing each other up. It's over and done, but I realized he is making me set the rules of conduct, and that's not good. Uranus and Saturn anyone?

At least it's interesting. I just don't want to know what might happen if we're both unable to put up with each others BS one day. It's not good that transiting R Mars is sitting right between my Mercury and his Pluto to 3 degrees away from both, square his Merc/Mars and opposite my Moon. baaad.