Entering Adulthood, Searching for Greater Knowledge of Self

[KindredKayla]

Hi everyone. I am very new to astrology, but I am very interested in learning all that I can. I feel a nudge towards it and I have a strong feeling that good things will come from a better understanding, such as a healthier level of self-love.. something I have struggled with for a very long time. So, that's why I've taken up an account here! To learn, learn, learn.

I will be 18 on the 19th of October, and was wondering if any of you would be able to help me understand my natal chart. Maybe what patterns there are in how I relate to other people or myself, handle emotions, and what kind of struggles I might deal with frequently? Or maybe things to do with a career or travel? Any observation is welcome!

Astro.com has been wonderful, and when I have the time I do a fair bit of googling.. though sometimes I run into some very contradictory statements. So, I've brought it here instead! I am eager to receive any and all bits of information from you guys! Also, if you know of any books I ought to pick up and read, or other sites I could visit and do some research on, that would be so great!

Thank you all so much. Hope you're all a wonderful day!


(here is my chart!)

[waybread]

Kayla, have you got some good friends and acquaintances? Your best-aspected planets look to be Uranus (your chart ruler) and Neptune in the 11th house. I am wondering if ordinary people would find your friends a little unusual, with Uranus/Neptune in your 11th.

With your moon in Pisces, you are probably very sensitive. You may pick up vibes from other people that they don't even know they're giving off. The good news is that this can make you a super friend who just knows intuitively what others are feeling, without being told. Many people with the moon in Pisces are good dancers, also, as Pisces rules the feet. But you can be a bit of a "psychic sponge" where you unwillingly absorb unhappy people's negativity. It's best either to leave them alone, or to install some protective mechanisms around your sensitive psyche.

Intimate relationships look like a mixed bag. With Jupiter and Venus in your 7th, you would seem to be a very loving individual with the potential for a very affectionate, fortunate partnership. But these oppose your moon, suggesting that you could be just a little too optimistic and trusting, such that your feelings are easily hurt. You know the old saying, "You have to kiss a lot of toads before you find a handsome prince." Your best bet for a long-term/permanent relationship would be with someone who is also a good friend. With Venus broadly sextile Mars and your 8th house focus, you probably are a very sexy lady.

Saturn squaring your sun may be like that little nagging voice in the back of your head, telling you to do more, do it better, and do it faster.

But overall, you have a pretty fortunate chart, with all those trines and sextiles.

[smilingsteph]

Hi!
What kinds of contradictory stuff have you been running across?
There is a bunch of that on the internet for sure!!!

I think that astrology or things that are of the other side of life are of interest to you.
Do you like scary movies? Things that are of the occult?

I think astrology is good for you...

[R4VEN]

Kayla, congratulations upon wanting some insight about yourself by using astrology. Yes, you may read contradictory statements, but in time you will be able to navigate your way through this.

You are quite sensitive, and very deep - Moon in Pisces, plus Sun, Mercury and Mars in the 8th house. You no doubt tune into people and you can even feel what they are feeling. As waybread has already pointed out, you will need to develop some regular practises for protecting your personal energy space, otherwise you could experience too many impressions, and this could confuse you.

I also notice your natal Pluto in the 9th. Pluto shows where transformation is possible throughout your life, and this placement indicates that you probably have a lot of ambition re learning about either/or the law, religion/spirituality, philosophy. As you get older I imagine that you will develop an interest in subjects such as Buddhism, and other ancient cultures such as Chinese, Tibetan and Japanese cultures. Even personal study of these subjects can broaden your life considerably.

That Saturn placement interests me. Did you grow up with your father, or was be absent in some way? Perhaps he has been unwell. (If none of this is true, then don't fret - these are merely possibilities.)

It appears that you have the ability to work hard at anything which is meaningful for you. Whilst you may have struggled to find meaning in your early school life, you are capable of learning anything because you have great powers of self-discipline. As far as work/career, the obvious on just looking at your chart is the law. There are many careers which are law-related, and not just `being a lawyer', which can be boring unless you are really excited about the law itself - which is a pretty dry subject. With an Aquarius Ascendant you can be quite intellectual when required - even though at heart you are very sensitive. Chiron in the 6th house in Leo is about finding a way of expressing yourself - usually in the workplace - and also the work you do would really need to have meaning. You would like to serve others in some way. I feel that you will be interested in working in something which helps others. There's a little voice in my ear which keeps saying that `this girl would be really good at advocacy, or helping others who are unable to help themselves.'

It all depends upon how much study you are prepared to do, and if you can afford to do this. How about combining law and social work?????

[waybread]

Well, Kayla, you are certainly getting an education about astrologers' disagreements and different schools of thought! Modern vs. traditional astrology and which house system is best can practically set off fire works in this Forum.

I have Uranus smack dab on my MC trining my sun and Mars, and I think it is a great planet. I really enjoy the serendipty that often comes with the unexpected. Uranus can mean unwanted disruption, but it can also be the liberator who gets us out of unproductive ruts, and encourages us to break free from authority figures whose control over our lives has lost its beneficial meanings. Although I experienced many disruptive moments in my career [and who doesn't?] I had the same career for over 30 years, and one that offered me a lot of variety and independence--which would be positive Uranian traits.

Your Uranus conjunct your north node of personal growth and Neptune suggests that your growth lies in being highly original and imaginative.

[Awakened_Pisces]

The problem I have with Traditional Astrology is it eliminates the outer planets, merely on the basis that they weren't discovered by that time. Let us for one moment then take that argument.

Now, we only have 9 celestral bodies and 12 Zodical signs. So how are we gonna do this?

Plus, I would like to mention we have Four Seasons to the Four Elements:

Spring Air
Summer Fire
Fall Earth
Winter Water

Each season lasts at least 3 months, we have 3 types of Zodiac Signs:
Mutable-Cardinal-Fixed

No doubt Astrology is connected with the earth and with everything in the world.

We can't simply forgo the main planets, just because they weren't discovered at a point in time.

[waybread]

I agree, Awakened Pisces! I am just now reading Nicholas Campion, The Dawn of Astrology, which is the first volume of a scholarly two-volume history of western astrology. There is some evidence that Saturn was discovered to be a planet after the other ones were known.

Astrology has evolved many times since something approximating our traditional and modern western astrologies first appeared, which is traceable to ancient Sumer, Babylon, and Mesopotamia. The classical Greek astrologers would have been latecomers, so far as the "Chaldeans" were concerned.

Also societies have changed enormously since traditional astrology was developed. The concept of the self-actualizing individual [vs. the clan or ruling class] didn't mean much during most of western history before the late 18th century. The concept of women as autonomous human beings whose destiny might not revolve around child-bearing and a husband [unless she took holy orders] is comparatively recent. Slavery is now widely condemned and outlawed in any nation of which I am aware [though it continues in some circumstances], yet chattel slavery [and its near-cousins like peasantry and indentured servitude] were taken for granted as a normal topic for astrological readings in the Greek and Roman worlds. New phenomena and inventions need new determinations of rulerships for horary astrology. [As in, "Where did I leave my missing laptop?"] So astrology has to be sufficiently flexible to accommodate our world of today if it is to survive.

The more I learn about the practice and history of astrology, the less I think we can draw a line around it and say what it is and what it is not.

Clearly, different astrologers develop strong affinities with certain kinds of astrology. And that is as it should be, so long as they respect one another's choices, and don't simply dismiss other choices as invalid.

p.s. In normative astrology, though, the elements do not sort out by season, but by signs in a fixed sequence. In many parts of the world, there are not four seasons, but two (dry and rainy) or one (tropical rain forest.)

[KindredKayla]

Wow.. Thank you everyone, for all the information..

Joseph, that post was incredible and as long as it was, I was sad to see it end! I am just into the basics of astrology now, but I wholeheartedly plan to devote myself to it; and that would include going through all the different systems. I have no idea how long it will take me but like I said, I am eager to learn and I will take a definite look at the "Whole Sign Houses" system! I will not hesitate to send you a PM if I am curious or confused!

I am fascinated by the fact that there are so many different systems! The mystery is still there..

Raven, the person you described, with that interpretation.. that is me. I have always been very, very sensitive.. now I am still sensitive, but am learning to grow a thicker skin. For most of my life I have been told that I am too sensitive; and so I always used to see it as a bad thing.. Now I am learning to see it as a gift. I connect with people deeply, and I try to often. I am not a vain person but I do pride myself on being able to put myself in another's shoes, and help them to open up. Kind of ironic since that has been a great struggle in my life.

You mentioned that I might be interested in Buddhism, philosophy, Spirituality, world cultures and law... I can't sink my teeth into enough material fast enough! I need to learn to pace myself, I tend to binge-buy books and suffer from intellectual burnout, lol.. But I find it all fascinating. Law would be the exception, though.. I took a law course in highschool and found parts of it very fascinating.. mostly in moral dimensions. The idea of true justice has always been something I've pondered quite happily. I have had a particular interest in near-death experiences in the past two years or so..

You also mentioned how I MUST do work that is meaningful. That is SO true.. In school I would keep reminding myself that the subjects I didn't like were a means to an end, a much more meaningful end. That allowed me to focus and commit to my work. But if I were to be in a job that was not incredibly meaningful.. If I was an accountant, say.. I would be miserable. I would feel devalued and most likely bitter.. I think I would even take it personally, as a reflection of who I am. I have considered social work but am sure that it would 'ruin me' emotionally, maybe psychologically.. I am a sponge, and as much as it would be incredibly meaningful and I would have that personal contact, it would be hard for me to draw the line between personal and professional, to be detached emotionally so that I don't become a martyr to my work.. that is my only concern with social work.

There is so much I would like to do.. I thought a good starting point would be majoring in Psychology, possibly minoring in philosophy.. and see what opportunities come from there. You mentioned advocacy as well... That has been a major theme of my adolscence. At my high school, I was part of the social justice group 'The Faith Leaders' which participated in peaceful protests, ran the schools annual Canned Food Drive which supplied our local soup kitchen with almost a full year's supply of food. In the catholic curriculmn, advocacy is ruthlessly admired and encouraged. I took a trip to Washington DC with two friends for social activism, and felt very spiritual while I was working. It was exhausting work, but I have never felt so satisfied...

There are just so many things I COULD be doing and SHOULD be doing that I sometimes feel paralyzed as to where to start! Where to devote my time! I wish I could do it all but I know I can't.. and sometimes I feel very guilty for that.

The last thing you mentioned which struck a chord, and I have yet to figure out how astrology can tell you things like this.. but you mentioned my father, and how he might have been absent from my life or something to that extent. I first came to know my father as a terrifying person.. mood swings, horrifying fits of rage. He was manipulative and INTENSE, a go-go-go personality whose anger was easily triggered and not easily quelled. While there wasnt much physical abuse, I was always anxious and secluded at home. I clung to my mother whenever possible but she often left me to myself so that she could deal with my brother, or father.

After the divorce, my father became extremely fearful and harassed me for love and comfort, which he never cared to provide in turn. He became depressed, made me promise not to tell others of his suicidal thoughts and urges. I had no friends at school and was often bullied, but along with those secrets and being the 'punching bag' for everyone in the family, in some way or another, I fell into my own depression. It has been a few years now and I feel like I have made an amazing rebound.. I am not yet at complete 'wholeness'.. but then the more I think about it, I don't think I ever have. I feel the most love for myself and for other people than I ever have before.

This other father-figure has come into my life though.. In September of 08. I have admired him for a long time but so many psychological things prevented me from making eye contact, keeping our conversations going.. so it became more casual. I think the 'spiritual intensity' of it was also overwhelming, so I went back into my shell. Have you ever met a person and just known in your bones that they were going to be very important to you? That you each had something to offer the other and it was some divine expression in the universe that made your lives cross paths? Well, I just felt that way with him. He was my religion and philosophy teacher. He used to be a social worker/family counselor. He was all about advocacy, autonomy, human spirit and the concept of duty. I have gone back to high school for a semester, not out of need but for the company and atmosphere, while other things are sorted out.. and we have been talking. He has been the first person I have really been able to open up to, and he is helping me deal with a lot of things, like my father and preparing for university. He is a giant teddy bear and I am so ecstatic that we are finally talking. It is helping me heal and feel better about myself as a human being. For faults and virtues, past stories and future plans. Does the movement of Saturn or anything astrologically say anything about our 'relationship'? I was also thinking about talking to my real father again. Apparently he is taking counseling..

Sorry for the life story.. I just realized that if I provided more personal information, you would be able to interpret better and I would come to a better understanding..

I really struggle with letting go. Whether its in forgiving myself for having been where I was, forgiving my family members, specifically my father, for having impacted my life in such a way.. or forgiving myself for my lack of perfection, whether that be in fixing other people's lives or my own, or even the work I create. I am very passionate about photography but rarely do I appreciate my work.. if I do, it is not lasting. Sometimes I feel that art for me is a way to value myself.. because art is myself, externalized.. and it is easier to love something 'else' than it is yourself. At least this has always been true in my case.

On a lighter note, Waybread, I do have some VERY wacky friends! They have been a challenge, but have helped me so much. Mostly inadvertantly. They have helped me become very open and tolerant, and have helped me to develop my social skills, a thicker skin and a sense of humour about myself. I tend to overthink and my head and heart are often confusing.. they drain me of energy! So they have helped me to become objective and explore different parts of myself. They are all passionate about advocacy, all very loving and all very different personalities. I have been so blessed.

Sweet goodness that was a long and crazy post! Lol.
Thank you all again, so much. This means so much to me.

Would I ever be able to PM any of you, and ask you for advice on a matter? Astrology would be involved, I promise.

Thank you for your patience, diligence and kindness. This is truly an amazing community!

Peace be with you all.

[R4VEN]

KindredKayla, thank you for your feedback. This always helps those of us who throw out a line to others, as it tells us/me whether I am on the right track, or just having another delusional moment!!!

I really admire the way you have sorted out a beginning point in your life journey. I think the combo of Psychology and Philosophy is a great starting point for you. Where this leads is anybody's guess, but at least you have worked out the importance of your work having to have meaning. Even if this is your primary beacon to follow, it will guide you well. As I was writing the post to which you refer, I also thought you may be drawn to working overseas - perhaps in 3rd World countries. Given your levels of sensitivity, you will have to fully develop your sense of self before you embark upon this. I also tend to agree with what you say about Social Work. It is good that you have considered this, and found it unsuitable.

A couple of things to add...........
You mention about developing a thick skin............. Well, I would suggest that you have a need to self-protect, and that is different. Keep in mind that when you feel something emanating from others, you need to look after yourself. To try to change the other will take more energy than it is worth, and you may not get anywhere in the end.

The other thing was that stuff about your father. I made this assessment because you have Saturn (the father) in the 12th house, and it is quite widely opposing your Chiron in the 6th house. Normally I would not consider this an opposition, but considering that Saturn is in the 12th - a tough place for it to be - and that you are so sensitive, then it probably applies to you. This is an indication of you requiring a father-figure for guidance, and with Saturn in the 12th, your normal father-figure (i.e. your biological father) is `locked away' and unavailable/unsuitable in some way. This placement also indicates `issues' with your father, perhaps indicating a father who is depressed, or even suicidal, and it also indicates that you may have had to isolate yourself in some way. It's always a bit tricky in making that sort of assessment openly on a forum such as this - just in case this has not occurred in your life. Were there other indications on your chart, I would even think that a life in holy orders may attract you - but the indications for that are not strong enough. And you definitely need to be in the world in order to do what you have come here to do.

It is good that you have found a suitable father-substitute for the guidance and role-modelling which you need. The first return of your Moon's North Node (to its natal position) occurs in May 2010. This is usually a time when you (quite unconsciously) choose a life direction for yourself. It is good that you appeaar to be doing this with a lot of conscious input.

[KindredKayla]

Raven you are incredible. Thank you so much for continuing to post..

You noted May 2010.. That would be the end of this year.. Actually, May is exactly the month where I find out what universities will accept me. I didn't feel ready to make the decision last year, considering what other problems I was dealing with and how important the decision is. The more I thought about it, I realized it would be the first of many decisions that would take me on a certain path. I think I was scared to choose to move, thinking that I would never be able to go back and choose another direction. I know now that that is not exactly realistic.

I have always had much sympathy for my biological father because to some extent he has been a product of his own environment.. However he is much different now than he was in my early years. Much more patient, much less manipulative, and very respectful of my wishes as a human being. He respects me more than anyone else, most likely because I was the only person to have 'stood by him' and endured with him (and in most cases for him) for so long. He is proving to me that he does want a relationship, which is a great sign, considering it has been mostly a war-waged-by-one (being me) for the majority of our time together. Over the past few years we have started to feel a little more open around each other, but the visits nearly always ended up ending on a negative note. I was beginning to feel used again and so I demanded space, this time he respected. He missed my prom, my graduation, thanksgiving.. and in a few days, my birthday. But I am feeling an urge to go speak to him.. Something is saying that I might actually be in the best mindset I have been so far to set things straight, to resolve some issues and lay old insecurities to rest. To mark the boundaries for a healthy relationship. I feel that he might actually be ready too, though it is hard to tell..

I don't know if it helps, but he was born on the 4th of January, 1960. I have no idea what time..

Raven, you said that a father figure seems to be or will be of great importance in my life.. This substitute that I have found now, do you think we will be close in years to come? or will I drift from figure to figure as I go different places and encounter different people? I don't like the idea of moving on from this one, but realize it is possibly, maybe even likely that I will. This substitute was born early September, so that would make him a virgo.. I'm fairly certain was born in 1953. Again, no birth time.. If things with my biological father turn around, does that mean that I am likely to lose this father-substitute? Is it an either or matter? When you mention my biological father being 'locked away', is this a kind of obstacle he is challenged with as part of his 'life lessons'? or is it seemingly more determinant..? I know I'm basically asking for what to expect, and you can't tell me that.. but is there anything at all that you can see in the future, even near future, according to my natal chart or the movement of the planets, that would indicate anything about these matters?

And you are right. I don't want to develop a thicker skin in a sense that I am less sensitive to human emotions; I want to utilize the gift. My father-substitute was the first person to help me see that is it not detrimental, but can be abused.. and therefore must be protected. He seems to be teaching me a lot of the 'lessons' I need before going away to school.

I want to be closer to him but I worry. I am a worrywart by nature but also because of social expectations.. he is an older male teacher, I am a younger female student.. I still feel guilty/weird asking him if we can chat, or when he pulls me aside to ask me how things are. I sense that hesitation in him as well. When we both let go of that though, everything works, you know?

Sorry.. I am spilling out thoughts.

I think I have made the right choice about which university to pursue and the subjects I will be studying. I may enter as undeclared to retain some flexibility..

Thank you again, for your commitment to my questions and concerns..
I hope you are having an incredible day! Take care

[waybread]

Good for you, Kayla! You seem like a really neat person.

I have a 12th house Saturn also. If in a challenging aspect, it is often a sign that the father is "missing" in some way; if not physically absent, at least emotionally unavailable as a loving and involved parent.

Just a couple of cautions. It is wonderful that you have found a good counselor. It is very common for emotionally vulnerable women to fall in love with such a man. Most times male counselors, pastors, psychologists, &c know to keep their advisees at arm's length. If they should cross the boundary into an actual relationship, however, they stand to lose their jobs. It is also terrific that your father is becoming more like the man you want. You are very wise to realize that he struggles with his own internal demons, and it is not clear how far he will be able to outgrow them. You might just inform him, however, prior to special occasions in your life, that you would like him to participate. Steel yourself for a potentially negative response, but do let him know if something is important to you.

I think most Forum members are happy to respond to PMs. Also, they would probably be willing to look at your Dad's and counselor's charts. A chart can be read without a birth time--just input the time as "unknown". You can't read any houses without a birth time, however, and if you use Astrodienst's default noon birth time, recognize that the moon could move forward or backward 6 degrees. You do need to give a birth location, however.

With all good wishes for your journey, W.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by KindredKayla

I have always had much sympathy for my biological father because to some extent he has been a product of his own environment.. However he is much different now than he was in my early years. Much more patient, much less manipulative, and very respectful of my wishes as a human being. He respects me more than anyone else, most likely because I was the only person to have 'stood by him' and endured with him (and in most cases for him) for so long. He is proving to me that he does want a relationship, which is a great sign, considering it has been mostly a war-waged-by-one (being me) for the majority of our time together.

I really admire the progress you have made in relation to your father. I would say that he is lucky to have a wise-old-soul as a daughter. I know of many young women who in your shoes would turn their backs and walk - forever. I believe that you are doing the right thing - for your own soul growth - in sticking with him, but setting boundaries. It's almost as though you are the adult, and he is the child. Many parent-child relationships are like this.

I am not much of an expert on looking at future transits. There are those who are really good at this, and you may like to create another thread with specific questions about the next couple of years.

And I fully endorse what waybread says in relation to the father-substitute who is guiding you. You need to be really clear about your boundaries in this relationship.
And as to who will be the next father-figure, or if there will be one........... I have no idea. This depends upon several things, all of which are pretty much in your control. I suspect that these men may come and go until you no longer requre `fatherly' guidance. With that Pisces Moon you have to keep an eye on a couple of things - your own tendency towards idealising another, and the `unscrupulous older man'. Your youthful enthusiasm would be very attractive to a man looking for affection in all the wrong places..... but I'm sure you already know this!

Have a brilliant 18th birthday, Kayla.

PS> If you can provide your biological father's place of birth, then I'll have a look at his chart in the next few days, and perhaps PM you anything which jumps out at me.

[KindredKayla]

Lol.. Waybread, R4VEN. I do tend to go for an older guy, but I have also learned to be careful in choosing who to confide in and how much to confide. I have never felt truly comfortable opening up to other male figures in my life because with a lot of them, I have felt those tensions and been made aware of my vulnerability; which I did not like one bit. Other reasons were that the positive ones were transient, coming and going... or that they haven't known me well.. even that they have not been knowledgeable or compassionate enough to help. This substitute is one I had the chance to get to know for a year before sharing with. He is a very respectable man, in his mid fifties. He has had a troublesome past with an alcoholic father, and has been through a great deal of stresses..

However he is extremely wise and extremely kind, very keen on helping the younger generations in very much a fatherly fashion. He he has a wife, and two sons; one of which is adopted. He cracks lame jokes and enjoys talking about meaningful things. He has always been very careful with me, I think because as a social worker he may have recognized behaviours of mine indicating some male-relational problems.. He chooses his words carefully, chooses to maintain a healthy distance when talking to me and is careful when he teases. We naturally are more casual together than usual not because of sexual interest (I like older but not THAT much older!) but because it really does feel like a dad-daughter thing. I have been too afraid of men for too long to let anyone but the most harmless man come close in emotional proximity. The only boyfriend I have ever let myself have was three years older than me, at 20, tall but tiny and afraid of intimacy almost as much as I was! Lol.

I appreciate your caution, and I understand it too. While I KNOW he thinks I'm cute (in a young lady kind of way) - he is no 'eager beaver' that should be not be a teacher. I hope this puts to rest any worries. I've never met more of a gentleman, in all honesty.

R4VEN, I will PM you my father's birth info that I know of so that it is not out in the open here.. and if you would still be up for interpreting it for me, that would be so great. I know I've been asking a lot, and you have been so wonderful to me! Maybe I take your advice and post a new thread about future transits when I have thought up some specific questions to ask, but thank you for suggesting that alternative!

It is so encouraging that you believe I am doing the right thing. I believe I am too. I feel I am and I think I am. So I am hoping that in this matter I've achieved the balanced rationale between heart and head that Libra seems to be always searching for..

And thank you so much for the birthday wish! I'm going through spurts of excitement for my birthday and non-excitement. Birthday wishes remind me birthdays are worth celebrating, and yours is the second one I've been given today. So I am feeling really, really good. Apparently October 18th and the week or so after it is going to be a great time for Libras, and on October 18th a bunch of my friends and I are going to a very spiritual place outside of town.. to hike through the autmn forest, sit on a tall cliff and look out over the river.. I am very excited for that.

I don't think I have any other questions just yet.. except maybe one about health. I've always had health problems growing up and I was just wondering if you guys could tell me if my chart suggests any strengths or weaknesses there? Also is the strength of the mind-body connection the same for all people? I find my mental and emotional health has a profound effect on my body.. I am not sure if I am the minority in that respect or not..

Thanks again, you guys. You are amazing!

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Joseph Ledzion

When I run her data through ZET 8, I get 26* Capricorn Rising.

Does anyone else (not using astro.com) have this ?

Joseph, I have only just calculated Kayla's chart on Matrix, and I'm with you. I make her Asc 26 deg Cap 28'. This also means there are a few planets in the 12th!

Matrix automatically used daylight saving time.

[KindredKayla]

Does that change anything..?

I also had another question that your PM inspired, R4VEN. You mentioned life lessons and even past lives.. does my chart say anything about my life lesson or past lives? And you mentioned the day a person is born under often hints at that.. what does the 19th hint at? I find that very interesting..

Well, I'll leave it at that! I have a busy day ahead, with some birthday celebration to make way for, lol. I hope your Saturday(s) is/are great! Take care.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by KindredKayla

Does that change anything..?

It certainly does. Just to be on the safe side I checked on the net for when Daylight Saving ends in Canada, and according to this page:

http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time...-extended.html

in the year you were born, DS ended on the last Sunday in October.

So I went to astro.com, and here is your chart - the correct one.

As to what your karma may be, I would not presume to tell an 18-yr-old anything about her karma, other than what I already have told you. To be honest, you already know this at some unconscious level, and I would suspect that you are well on your way towards fulfilling whatever-it-is. You strike me as someone who is not afraid to dive into the deep end of the pool, so do not be afraid of the unknown.

That Saturn is now conj the Asc, so is no longer in the 12th house. However, it is in the early degr of Aquarius, so the `distant from you' factor may still apply to your own father.

The most noticeable thing about your correct chart is the 12th house planets - Uranus/MNN/Neptune all conjunct in Capricorn. One thing I know about Moon's North Node in the 12th is that you can be like a beacon for other's acting-out and bullying. You may have found that others have picked you out for bullying. Not sure why that is, but I've seen it often enough to believe it.

That Moon opposition to the Venus-Jupiter conjunction kinda sticks out. There's the benevolent person, the one who thinks and acts kindly towards others (Venus-Jup conj), but who may not always have this reflected back in kind. Sometimes you will experience confusion as to why others behave towards you as they do. Mostly they will be presenting to you what is hidden within your unconscious - and so is unknown even to you.

Now, given the correct chart places most of your planets in different houses, you now have significant planets in the 9th of higher learning and spirituality/philosophy/religion. I have also noticed that you have a bunch of quintiles: Mars to Neptune; Saturn to Neptune; Venus to MC.......... all of which support your desire to devote your life and your skills to the betterment of the world you live in.
(And I would not suggest that you run off and look at quintiles yet. Just concentrate on the major planets and aspects. I only mentioned them here because remarkably, they support what I'd posted about your - other - chart the first time.)

And a big `Thank You' to Joseph for pointing out the incorrect time on the original chart.

[KindredKayla]

Ahhhh gosh! Well at least now we're on a more accurate track. Thank you, Rose, for my new chart.. I remember seeing the word 'quintile' or 'quincunx' somewhere before.. but I spose I shouldn't get into that just yet. I have no idea how to even calculate or be able to tell what aspect is being made by any planet... There is just so much to learn!

You certainly pegged the bullying bit. I felt like the world's punching bag for the longest time.. Not just for the family, but I felt like the misfit at school. Tried to be everyone's friend, rarely was anyone a friend to me. Depression followed, but thank goodness that changed... It matured me greatly.

I figured you would hold back when it came to karma, because I'm so young. I tell you, sometimes I have to remind myself I'm young.. But you're right; I am not afraid to dive into the deep end of the pool, and I really should embrace the unknown. I do, sometimes with a bit of hesitation, but always with a great deal of faith... It's just that sometimes, getting a few hints or a wee bit of a heads up is encouraging, lol. BUT no worries, maybe in time I'll be able to figure it out myself - whether as it unfolds or by learning more about astrology.

Though... would you be able to tell me anything at ALL about lessons or lives that have past? (Then you're not really giving anything away... )

Is there a certain aspect that is more favourable than others? I just discovered the term "Novile" today..

This is going to take me years, lol. Sorry for the random thoughts; I am tired and my brain is bajumbling all over the place.

Thank you Joseph for the correction! I'm glad I now have the correct chart to study with!