Jupiter and Moon in the 10th-Why no ambition?

[kardani]

Clearly, with both my moon and jupiter in the 10th house, I will have SOME success in my career.....yet, I am 33 years old and it seems I not only lack ambition, I also have no idea what my true career calling is.

This makes me very uneasy. I feel my lack of direction and fear of starting anything may be caused by my mars in the 12th house (this apparently makes me LAZY) and numerous planets (neptune, sun and mercury) in the 6th house (I may be a little too critical of myself and maybe meant serve others not myself). HOW debilitating is that exactly? I was wondering if there were any other factors I may be overlooking or need to focus on.

Any thoughts would be helpful.

Love,
Lame and Jobless.

[R4VEN]

kardani, I suggest first of all that you create your chart from astro.com, as their charts will have more details - such as the degrees of planets, as well as an aspect grid - the latter of which is very helpful in quickly assessing your whole chart.

For a start, just viewing the chart you have uploaded, having the Moon in Pisces so close to your MC may actually tend to negate the positive effects of having Jupiter in Aries in the 10th house. The house in which the Moon resides will tend to have `fluctuating fortunes' (not a good term, but the best I can come up with right now), and so whilst you perhaps should be ambitious, perhaps you con't care enough to be.

The other noticeable aspect is what appears to be a conjunction between your Sag Sun and Neptune. Any significant Neptune placement will create in you what you are describing. I suspect your Mars placement is also quite influential, but I'd need to see a more detailed chart before I launch into that.

[kardani]

I'm sorry!!

Raven you made some very interesting points! Thanks for your advice thus far, I DID overlook those specific aspects you were talking about.


I have a more detailed chart now posted. Currently I am feeling a lack of purpose in my life (darn NEPTUNE) so all input is welcomed with open arms and in turn will help me grow

Thank you.

[R4VEN]

kardini, there are people on this forum who do this heaps better than I - but, I just have to respond to what I see in your clearer chart from astro.com.... and thanks for that. It is so much easier to read.

Firstly, with Chiron in the 10th house, your ability to visualise a clear and appropriate (in your case, rather than appropriate, you might like to substitute `realistic') life direction for yourself may take a while in coming. With Chiron in Aries, also, you have to work on issues to do with your own worthiness. Most of the people born in your Chiron in Aries generation have responded to this by becoming very work and money oriented, as if to say that if they produce enough, then they'll have to be seen as worth something. You seem to have responded to this in the opposite way. It's as though you're saying: "What's the point? Whatever I do will be devalued by others, so why should I care?"

And I also feel that your natal Mars in the 12th house is very significant in creating how it is you feel. Those with mars in the 12th often have someone else in their family while growing up - usually a brother, but not always - who got all the attention, while you had to be invisible and not make waves. Is this so? Even when you excelled at something, no-one paid much attention to you. You may have been expected to always do the right thing, and to not draw attention to yourself. Either way, in your formative years you were actively discouraged from being assertive and self-seeking, and you may have had to turn your attention inwards as a way of coping with your life. You may actually have had sporting ability which you did not pursue due to having to suppress any competitive or aggressive urges.

Now, you have the ability to do quite well in the work-force. Jupiter in the 10th in Aries in opposition to Pluto can be quite competitve, and even aggressive. I suspect that there was quite a lot of competition/control in your early home life, and this may have put you off entering any kind of competitve arena, whether it be on the sporting field, or in the work-force.

[hermetic]

I think it is very difficult position on that Moon on Mc because it is a part of T-square between Sun, Merc and Mars
Moon in pisces is very mellow as it is, and being 10th house cusp, ruled my Neptune it gives dissolutions of actions and thoughts pertaining to career.
Also, I believe there is one misconception related to Jupiter, yes it is benefic, but more along the lines of *possibly* bringing luck, but also with not much effort -> so in that effect Jupiter is also Lazy. For example I would rather take Mars and Saturn in 10th any day over Jupiter.
Jupiter is also trine to Sun, bringing you a sense of comfort - in the end, you say you are 33, and if this would be bothering you so much you would probably be working more on changing the situation, and ultimately wouldn't be in this situation. Ok, and please do not take this the wrong way. I perfectly well know how it is, I am also the queen of lame and jobless. but I want to say you probably do have luck to some extent when you are able to be 33 and without a job. me too

BUt I have noticed people with Jupiter or/and Venus in 10th are always very comfortable and living decent from their personal charm they have over other people. Jupiter brings luck, but it doesn't 'do'

Of course, here comes another thing R4VEN noticed so well - chiron in 10th.
I have progressed chiron in 10th and it is really what you said - having no idea about what i want to do. So I try out all kinds of stuff. Mars as a ruler of my MC just won't let me sit still, in Sag conj Uranus, but it is also very scattered and does things only to the half then moves on to the next
your Mars in Gemini opposed to Mercury can have a similar feel. Because ultimately Mars is the one who *does* things we want. besides afflictions your is also in 12th house, so possible the actions you do are going against you in the end, or subconciously you may have the impulse to hurt yourself - Mars is opposing Sun. or extreme nervous energy, because after all 6th house is involved here by opposition, so watch out your health also.
I realized it is far from productive to beat oneself over what 'we're suppose to do' in this world but for any reason it's not happening. Because after all work is just one area of life. not everyone has everything. not that i am saying you can't have it, just explaining how i think one can accomplish more without pressure.
also, for possible preditions I strongly suggest vedic forum, there are people there who are really good in that
best of luck!

[beatnikgirl]

Just had a quick glance at your chart but I would say you have a bit of an inner conflict and thats whats holding you back as to which of two direction you should take.
One side is perhaps interested in achieving goals to just prove your worth to get the easier life, money, travel the good things, nothing wrong with that, Yet the conflict in you seems that you wish to do something more noble to stretch yourself to feel a higher calling.
I would say it is possible to achieve a balance of both had you perhaps thought of working within the charity sector could even be VSO type work to start with, something that allows you to travel to encourage that Aries pioneer spirit but allows that nurturing moon to be expressed without feeling to emotionally overwhelmed. Once you've built the foundation in that sector you will be able to get paid work, it could be putting those Aries leadership skills into training other volunteers, or it could be working in some sort of institution 12th house Hospitals Hospices orphanages prisons etc, then you could possibly get that mars all fired up and working. I think overall once you start working toward a goal that is about helping others as well as yourself you'll ind working with the Jupiter and Moon energies much easier.

I can highly recommend working within that charity sector for anyone in-between jobs cause it gives you a chance to focus on someone elses troubles instead of your own and makes you really appreciate the things you have got going for you and you come out often feeling you've actually achieved something by helping a troubled fellow human being, you can't buy how good that feels.
I wish you luck, don't give up go round it.

[kardani]

I never knew my laziness and lack of ambition could be explained in so many way lol.

Raven-chiron in the 10th does nicely explain why I feel like I have no direction (yet)...and I did have a spoiled little brother when growing up (mars in the 12th).

Hermetic--Jupiter is definitely bringing me luck, in that, my parents are very wealthy so I do not have a fear that I will be without in case I NEVER find a stable job. I am a freelancer, so I will work one job and then "vacation" until my savings are gone and then look for another job. I am relaxed in that sense. This could also be my moon on MC.

Also, I thought The T-Square consists of an two planets in opposition (180 degrees) both in square (90 degrees) aspect to a third planet....I may be looking at my chart incorrectly but I do not see that between mercury, sun and mars.

Beatnik-yes I have always gotten a sense that I should be doing something greater than myself. (both mars in 12th AND sun conjunct neptune). I do believe I am psychic as well (just not for myself though). I have thought to combine these qualities in a creative way (I am also a fashion designer)...Producing clothing for non-profit? unclear.

Dhundun-"Afflicted Moon receives favourable energy from Saturn" I didn't quite understand this, I presume it is positive?

Thanks all for your generous love and support

[hermetic]

Just for explanation, i might have missed that - T-square between Moon, squared by SUn&MErc on one side, and squared my Mars on the other, Sun&Merc in opposition to Mars

[astrologer50]

Raven-chiron in the 10th does nicely explain why I feel like I have no direction (yet)...and I did have a spoiled little brother when growing up (mars in the 12th).

Mars in 12th also suggests that you could well have been sent to you room for having a temper tantrum and therefore learnt not to do so, cos it didn't get the desired affect. Again the parents/carer was at some level not supportive of your ego development..

Regards Chiron here are some links for further research..
Chiron thread
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9786
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17165
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11976

Further discussions on AW and links from this thread….
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17165
http://www.moonsweb.com/ast/chiron.shtml
http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/Chiron.htm
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/chiron.html

[astrologer50]

basic astrology sugests moon square mars = bossy mother. Sun square Moon = divided parents. Saturn square Uranus = freedom v convention.

Sun conj Neptune suggests a compasionate, broadminded, philosophical Saggi with very spiritual nature and 'being of service' is the way to go. Neptune is the ruler of your MC and pisces is restless, procrastinating and indecisive --- hence a lot of your problems

Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm

Now in Equal house system Leo rules 2nd, Saggi rules 6th and Pisces/neptune rules MC. So your pride/ego needs to be engaged (Leo) Saggi is interested in travel, religion, the law, journalism etc. Pisces always wants to give something of themselves and make sacrifices, that's just as well cos with 3planets in 6th house of virgo wants you to work behind the scenes and again 'be of service to others'

your chart really lacks the element of earth, but to compensate has 5planets in earth houses ie: 6th & 10th. Also you might like to research your secondary progressions and solar arcs to see if anything major is coming up. Looking at the natal chart SA IC conj Pluto age 19 should have been a house move and major transformations for you?
Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars espec are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67


Regarding chiron and further research I suggest these links

Chiron thread
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9786
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17165
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11976

Further discussions on AW and links from this thread….
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17165
http://www.moonsweb.com/ast/chiron.shtml
http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/Chiron.htm
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/chiron.html

[safron]

Hello Kardani,

As you say of Mars in 12th “apparently making you lazy” - please be aware that stars are not making us to be this or that way...starts just show potentials, and in your chart, this Mars configured in the T-square with Sun, mercury and Moon, could give you a tremendous intellectual energy put in motion by compassion and sensitivity that you could apply professionally ...Of course, one would need to have a feedback from you to discuss your development up to now and your professional potentials.

In your place, I would rather think why are you being lazy? Is there maybe something you try to avoid by being lazy?

Neptune and Pisces influence in your chart can describe escapist behavior - but one always has to ask why? What is that you try to escape from? This same influence can suggest also much imagination and creativity...

I would look for the source of this lack of the motivation/ ambition - what was the parental influence in your early home and how were you defending your self from some kind of uneasiness that is suggested in early home in relation to your parents? (Astrologically speaking - parental axis is under stress) Did you feel misunderstood in your home?

How did you feel about being appreciated and were your opinions being respected in early home? (important for your Saggitaurus part). Do you have self-worth concerns and might they be related to father figure influence or lack of father influence? (astr. - Saturn manifestation in your chart, when the early home issues are not resolved)

What was the perspective your parents offered to you regarding your profession? (Pluto in 4th). What is the image you have of yourself that you take with from your early home? How this fits your “fear of starting anything new”?

Is there some anger related to the feeling of being perhaps not appreciated as you needed, that you maybe swallow and suppress? (Mars in 12th)

There are usually many underlying concerns when one faces confusion and “laziness”...

I hope this helps a bit...

[Claire19]

Mars in the 12th Gemini does not make for laziness actually. You may like to chill out with reading when you are by yourself. This is a good placement for writing, editing etc. There could be a friend, neighbour or sibling that you will need to care for at some stage.

Moon in Pisces in the 10th tends to behind the scenes work really and not an out there placement. Your 6th house is more prominent and is the house of employee rather than boss or careerist. However it is ruled by Sagittarius with Jupiter in the 10th. You may work with family perhaps. Your Moon is square to Mercury in the 6th and there is conflict between your thoughts and your emotions and actually you may be nervous of success on any large scale or in public arena. Jupiter from the 10th is in trine to Sun and Mercury in the 6th suggesting that you need qualifications of a higher order to succeed. A college degree in essence. Then you can become quite prominent in your workplace once you get down to doing the study. You have to decide what it is that you really want to do and go for it.

[blacksun?]

I see that you have a pretty nice trine form your ascendant to your Venus - Uranus conjunction in Scorpio. Venus Uranus combination in water and in the 5th suggest a very enjoyable creative nature, perhaps a little indulgent - what i always do in finding causes for negative behavior patterns is not just look at the hard aspects but also the pitfalls of the positive ones. In that way a negative trait can also be explained as a manifestation of something positive, that just needs a bit of steering. In many charts, the different placements and aspects somehow tell the same story. What I mean is that you have very different aspects but they all contribute to the same character.

Anyway, placements in the 5th house are usually related to things you do for your own pleasure - that is not to say it's antisocial but I want to balance the idea that you are meant to service because of your 6th house placements. Neptunme/Sun gives a philantrophic nature, or perhaps a will that can be diffuse. Combined with the sixth house of 'service' - I hate that term, I think it should be called contribution - it is a bit doubled up, it could mean that your direction to contribute is a bit unclear to you. That does not mean you do not have the power to do it, but you have to access it through more direct, more 'violent' channels, so to speak. Since your Mars is in the twelveth, ruled by Neptune, and also heavily challenged by Sun/Neptune, it would not be a crazy idea to look at your Uranus, which in Scorpio is exalted, and really very nicely paired to Venus, which is a ghreat planet to have in the fifth.

If you accent your Uranus, which in your case should be quite noticeable as a desire for (creative) freedom, perhaps even so natural to you that you don't notice it, you also activate the power of your ascendant, which is actually on a very interesting place, close to the black sun - a mathematical point like the black moon, Lilith, but not used in anglosaxon astrology, which is one point of an axis of space for utterly personal development and self-becoming in contrast to the axis of conditioning of the black moon (which you have at 4 Aries) and priapus (4 libra) and which corresponds to your Jupiter-Pluto axis, which is formed by a very piwerful opposition, which I suspect might be the biggest of your problems. Any aspect between Pluto and Jupiter is significant expression of power, and in the case of the opposition there are issues of identification with your own power, especially as it involves the tenth and fourth house. So it does not surprise me that you are unclear as to what you should accomplish and how. In other words, it is unclear who you are 'at home' versus who you are in the world. Those two do not fall into place with each other by themselves, you need to find an indirect channel to your midheaven, which is suiting since your moon is right on it, and the moon is indirect. Your midheaven is extremely intensely aspected but not in a way that makes it easy to find the way there - even though it might actually be more easy than you think, the hard part is probably to find that ease. My advice would be to really get into that laziness, apply it to your creative activities - with your great 5th house - ascendant, your greatest creative accomplishment should come not from trying to accomplish something, but almost egoistically doing what you really enjoy doing. You could get far in that if you stick to it and not be distracted by what you feel you could or should accomplish. You can get there, but likely in an unexpected way, or rather a sequence of unexpected ways that will be a very personal type of path.

[C0rnholio]

What I see is a pattern of some healing/teaching/charitable career. Here is about Chiron in the 10th house:
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Chiro...unct_Midheaven

The Moon-Mars-Sun/Mercury T-square is a Mutable T-square:
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML....html#T-Square
It says "Working with the opposing point (Moon - Sun/Mercury), and maintaining an awareness of the energy and lessons of the opposing sign is particularly important with a Mutable T-Square because this can provide a sense of focus and direction for the Apex planet." The 12th house and the 6th house are the houses of emotional and material learning and service to others. There are many careers that can satisfy both house requirements, the only common theme is that it must be something of a contributing to the society nature. Once you figure a way to keep that Mars working harmoniously with your Sun/Mercury, then the Moon will see the direction, and in turn will start helping your career tremendously.

That Moon is also in Pisces, which is quite happy there and very selfless, which is one more direction indicator for you. But it is afflicted by the Neptune, which is a disadvantage that could be reversed into an advantage. Here is a long-long article what to do about it:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...re-neptune.php