When will my Iodine arrive?

freedomlover · #1 09-28-2009, 01:08 AM

I've had a gut feeling that I needed Iodine supplements for my thyroid, but they are next to impossible to find in this area. The chiropractor I used to see in the area I moved from had prescribed them for me, and had tested me for that particular brand. So I called up a friend who still goes there and asked her if she would send me a bottle. My friend called from the chiropractor's office on Monday, Sept. 21st, and said that the bottle was paid for and that it would be mailed to me from the chiropractor's office on Tuesday, Sept. 22nd. It should have arrived no later than Friday, Sept. 25th, with regular mail times. It still had not arrived by Saturday the 26th, so I was starting to get concerned. Hence this horary question to see if I could find out what was going on.

My take on the chart:

I am the Ascendant, so ruler is Venus in Virgo in the 5th. That is fitting - at least the Virgo part, don't know about the 5th house, unless it refers to my energy levels. (Sedna was exactly conjunct the Ascendant, btw)

I think the Iodine tablets, being a physical substance, would be the ruler of the 2nd - so Mercury Rx at 22 Virgo in the 5th.

If I'm not mistaken, the chiropractor would be ruler of the 9th- so Saturn at 26'59" Virgo,in the 5th, as well. Mercury has separated from a conjunction with Saturn about 5 somethings ago. That would seem to show it was mailed as promised?

Moon rules the 3rd house of communications and mail, too, I think. Moon is in the 9th house at 13' Capricorn. Moon and Mercury are backing into a trine, but Moon is separating from a trine with me - Venus. It will also conjunct Saturn. Sounds like action going back to the chiropractor? Maybe they got the address wrong? or forgot to mail it? Maybe the Mercury retrograding away from Saturn shows the promise, but no delivery? Moon is disposited by Saturn - showing further connection to chiropractor - Moon in the chiro's sig- Saturn, and also in the house of the chiro- 9th.

Part of fortune is at 12' Aquarius, in the 10th. That might seem to show the government/mail has it?

I can't seem to tell whether it was mailed or not? I know a phone call to the chiropractor would tell me that, but I want to know by horary, as well.
I can't call till tomorrow anyway.

I'm also really puzzled by why all the significators, other than the Moon, are in the 5th house.

Thanks to all who will reply.
Baby horarists, feel free to add your say, as well.

freedomlover · #2 09-28-2009, 09:16 AM

I just noticed that the Moon will oppose Mars before it gets to trining either Mercury or Saturn in Virgo. Is that interference or an obstacle of some sort? Mars rules the 7th and 12th houses. Hmmm.. wonder if that is the mailman? Mars is in my 3rd house. I don't think that my old chiropractor has any males working for her.

freedomlover · #3 09-28-2009, 08:07 PM

Update:

It didn't come today either.

smilingsteph · #4 09-28-2009, 09:32 PM

Well Freedom you know I am a baby here so let me try:

You are of course venus in the 5th house.....
I think the medication is ruled by the 6th house, which is ruled by venus as well...
So we look to the moon...your co-ruler

Moon is in capricorn in detriment...
Venus is in fall in virgo.....
Moon does form a trine with venus....
I dont know if this would be a very strong chart to read.

I think that if the significators do not describe your situation or make sense to you then this chart may not be valid. Although you may have taken a gamble (5th house) regarding having someone send you the bottle.

Let me know how things turn out...good luck!

freedomlover · #5 09-28-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smilingsteph

Well Freedom you know I am a baby here so let me try:

You are of course venus in the 5th house.....
I think the medication is ruled by the 6th house, which is ruled by venus as well...
So we look to the moon...your co-ruler

Moon is in capricorn in detriment...
Venus is in fall in virgo.....
Moon does form a trine with venus....
I dont know if this would be a very strong chart to read.

I think that if the significators do not describe your situation or make sense to you then this chart may not be valid. Although you may have taken a gamble (5th house) regarding having someone send you the bottle.

Let me know how things turn out...good luck!

Thanks for trying your hand, Steph!

That was interesting that you assigned 6th house to the iodine. I'm really not "up" on medical horary. Where did you get this assignment from? I know 6th house rules health, but I didn't know it ruled medicines, too?

As to the 5th house.... I know 5th house is naturally ruled by Leo. Leo rules the back/spine - so maybe that is the connection with my chiropractor?

Does anybody else have any comments on mine or Steph's analysis?

Please feel free to post on my horaries anytime, Steph. I always appreciate your input, and newbies need to practice somewhere. I hope others understand that I practice on theirs ( as I've done on yours). That's what this place is for, right? Learning astrology, including horary? Not a place where experts read for people who know nothing about it, right? Although we need those experts to help us along... don't get me wrong... lol....

freedomlover · #6 09-29-2009, 05:29 AM

Any other takers on this horary?

freedomlover · #7 09-29-2009, 11:22 PM

It didn't arrive today either. It's been a week since I was told it was mailed. Mail time is normally 2-3 days max. Can anyone tell from this chart if it seems to be lost in the mail or shipped at all?

I plan on calling the chiropractor's office tomorrow, but if they didn't mail it, they probably have it marked in their records that they did- so will tell me they did. I hope I'm wrong.

bestillmyheart · #8 09-30-2009, 12:52 AM

It could be a matter of Mercury.
Mercury is stationary-direct today so things theoretically should work themselves out in the next couple weeks, right? Maybe you'll be back to supplementing when it gets to the degree of mercury it was at when you ordered the iodine.

curious to know what these iodine tablets are. I supplement with iodine forte (drops) for my deficiency.

Good luck.

freedomlover · #9 09-30-2009, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestillmyheart

It could be a matter of Mercury.
Mercury is stationary-direct today so things theoretically should work themselves out in the next couple weeks, right? Maybe you'll be back to supplementing when it gets to the degree of mercury it was at when you ordered the iodine.

curious to know what these iodine tablets are. I supplement with iodine forte (drops) for my deficiency.

Good luck.

Thanks for posting, bestillmyheart.

Mercury was conjunct Saturn when all this happened. It was applying within a few arc minutes on Monday, when my friend told me it was paid for, and would be shipped on Tuesday. It was probably shipped when the Mercury/Saturn conjunction was exact, or just starting to separate - depending on the time of day they shipped it out. So Mercury was right at 25' Virgo, possibly slightly into 24 'Virgo.

Mercury takes a few days to pick up speed - I needed it days ago, not days from now... sigh........

FYI: This is the iodine tablets that my chiropractor stocks. I think they may sell to natural physicians only, as I've never seen them in any store. You might be able to get them by mail - not sure.
http://www.standardprocess.com/displ...log.spi?ID=132

FL

bestillmyheart · #10 09-30-2009, 01:15 AM

Saturn is all about delays compounded with the merc. retrograde---no wonder. Bugger. Hope it arrives soon.

Thanks for providing the info. I'll check it out.

smilingsteph · #11 09-30-2009, 02:41 PM

I must say Freedom I was interested in this thread as I too ordered some suppliments for my back issues...
A co-worker told me that these particular amino acids will help in the reconstruction of damaged tissue and I am going to do whatever I can to prevent further injuries!

I ordered I believe probabably a day after you the vitamins...

I have been checking my mail and nothing!!!

The wierd thing is that I get mail daily, whether it be an annoying pizza specials ad, or a bill (usually a bill, Lol).
I had not gotten any mail for three days.

I wonder if this is something that is affecting a lot of people?

I also ordered a pair of boots online (I hate shopping in stores) and it took over a week, and up until last week they said that my order was processing. Now to process for 7 days before they send it out was crazy!

Wonder if mercury in retrograde is still affecting the situation?

freedomlover · #12 10-01-2009, 02:45 AM

To: Steph

I'm not sure what's going on...this has sure been one heck of a Mercury Rx cycle. Yes, I'm sure Mercury is still in effect. Some astrologers say that the days surrounding the stations - both direct and retrograde - are the worst times of the cycle. It's influence will gradually dissipate until it leaves its shadow on Oct. 14.
I sure could use the iodine.... sigh.....

To: all

I called today and couldn't get them. I left a message, but haven't heard back yet.

Sigh.....

Any other takers on the chart?

freedomlover · #13 10-02-2009, 02:52 AM

I got my answer today. Does anyone want to take a stab at this for learning purposes before I give the information?

smilingsteph · #14 10-02-2009, 03:24 PM

Yipee!!! You got it...

Okay let me try here...

I was going on the 5th house for you and the 6th for the meds...but then it kept taking me back to you in the 5th house for some reason in the healthy sign of virgo....
Then going with what you said, the second ruling the meds, I still go to the 5th house, conjunct venus which is you....again it may have been with you or near you and since merc. was in retrograde it never quite made it to you. Not to mention Saturn is also conjuncting mercury to maybe place restrictions on it (Saturn can mean a male figure too)
5th house can mean fathers moveable goods, did someone in your family pick up the package?
Did you already have it? Did the mailman have it and it was near you but it never got to you?
Or did the order get placed, was the order still with you meaning that it was actually never ordered?

Okay can I get two tries here?

Then your co-ruler the moon is in the 9th house trining you...9th can mean travel, long distance....so the package may have had to travel very far to get to you....or the package would take a long time to get to you finally getting to you with that trine in the end....

Well I cannot wait till I get the answer!

I also got my boots by the way....they came the day after yesterday!

freedomlover · #15 10-03-2009, 04:22 AM

Hey Steph!

Thanks for trying your hand. I will let you know within a day or two, after I see if anyone else wants to try, as well.

FL

smilingsteph · #16 10-03-2009, 07:10 PM

Come on people those that have never done Horary before give it a go!

Really this is the best way to learn!

I will be waiting!

smilingsteph · #17 10-03-2009, 09:49 PM

Vinyasa-
Good job there!
I never thought to look at the friend....
Friend in the 11th house ruler in the 10th...

retrograde in the 10th house...Neptune...
Maybe your friend was busy and didnt get a chance to do the ordering?

Neptune is not making any connections to venus, to you....
Neptune making inconjuncts to the MD....meanining that there may have been a misconnection....

Yeah I never thought to look to the friend! It looks as though she may not have placed the order...

Your moon does not make any connections either....

I know the question is when will you get them...but it may look like you wont get them until later....

I know the moon is indicator of time, and I havent quite picked up on how to do this as of yet....

smilingsteph · #18 10-04-2009, 03:02 AM

Vinyasa-
I see that....it is Saturn again...friend is Saturn!
The sun is really a large elephant in the room isnt he?

How wide are you considering the orb to the sun?

in regards to venus....

Are you saying that venus is combust?

I do see saturn is combust because he is within the 8 degrees given by Lily...therefore weakened....yes...

But the sun was sticking out to me on a hunch before as well...

Are you talking from turning the chart from the friend....using the 4th house ruler as the 6th house (meds) for the friend?

I was using the 6th house for the meds, FL was using the second house as moveable goods, what do you think of this?

That would be interesting and make sense....seems she may have tried to contact the MD or she didnt.....

Vinyasa · #19 10-04-2009, 08:11 AM

the orbs i use are:
17' for cazimi
8,5° for combustion (so saturn is combust)
17° under the sun's beams (mercury in this case)

venus is clear from the Sun

as for turning, no matter how much I turn the chart around I still don't seem to figure out who is the Sun ruling both 4th and 5th

- he is one of the problems in the chart, but I can't understand in which quality, ie. whom he may represent...

smilingsteph · #20 10-04-2009, 02:06 PM

Thanks Vinyasa-
I have been trying to get some sort of consensus on the orbs....
I have taken yours (hope you dont mind

)
I finally found them in a book I was reading and they were using 15degrees...

I have also read 17 degrees as well somewhere else and couldnt remember where...maybe here...

Thanks for your help...
I wanted to make sure I was doing somethin right here

I am so confused by this chart.....because the more I look into it the more confusing it gets...Lol

freedomlover · #21 10-05-2009, 01:47 PM

Okay, you guys have been patient long enough.

The iodine tablets were received on October 1st. The postmark date was September 23 - so they were not mailed on the day promised, but one day after. However, they still should have been here within 2-3 mail days, so Saturday the 26th - or Monday the 28th at the very outside, counting for slow mail.

It was interesting how they were packaged for mail, though. The tablets are in a small glass bottle, which was inside a paper box. The chiropractor's secretary put them in a huge flimsy brown envelope, where they got bounced around all over the place - nothing to hold it steady or protect it. I was stunned to see someone mail something of this nature in that manner. Every supplement that I'd ever ordered from anywhere is packaged in a small box, with some kind of stuffing around it.

So I'm wondering if the package had to be handled in a special way when it went through the post office... like it couldn't go through normal sorting and handling procedures - maybe needed special handling, and so that slowed it down?

I'm thinking the Mars in Cancer in my 3rd may be the mailman, and the opp from the Moon in Cap to mars in Cancer, something to do with the extra delay in handling and delivery.

Also, if Mercury Rx at 21' Virgo is the iodine,( which I think it is, according to the chart) - it is sextile Mars in Cancer. If Mars in Cancer is the mailman, then it is "with" the mailman - or mail system. It just really took that long. (Mercury Rx in action- like Steph pointed out.)

As to the mysterious Sun in Libra in the 5th, ruling the 3rd and 4th houses... 4th is the end of the matter - 3rd is commerce, ( I think)- also mail delivery - so I would just see that this showed that the end of the matter is the package being delivered - the transaction completed - that the others did hold up their end of the matter.

The end of the matter/delivery ( Sun in Libra) has also separated from Saturn (Chiropractor) by 8 somethings - so maybe that is how long it would take for the transaction to come to conclusion? It did take 8 days to get here.

I knew my friend was not part of the delay, because she called me when she left the chiropractor's office on Monday, Sept. 21st, and told me she had paid for it, and what the secretary said about it would be mailed the next day. (Because it was after mail hours on Monday.) I've known her for 10 years, and knew she wasn't the type to call me and say she'd done something, knowing full well she didn't.

Thanks to all for trying your hand at this. I hope it was a good chart to learn from.

FL

freedomlover · #22 10-05-2009, 01:55 PM

One other thought:
quoting SmilingSteph:

Quote:

5th house can mean fathers moveable goods, did someone in your family pick up the package?

Thanks for pointing that out. I found that interesting - I was not aware of that.

My housemate is male and quite abit older than me - and quite Saturnian/ fatherly in his personality. This is his place of residence- I'm only staying here since I lost my house. So maybe the Sun in Libra ruling the 3rd
(mail) and 4th ( residence) but in Libra in the 5th, shows that it will come in his mail, even though my name is not on the mailing list to receive mail here.

However, I was the one who fished it out of the mailbox.

smilingsteph · #23 10-05-2009, 03:11 PM

Well I think with the three of us here putting our heads together, we did a pretty good job!!!!!

Thanks FL for the lesson here....

Maybe that Saturn in the 5th (of creativity, fun, pleasure) in Virgo, for analyzing and loving to play games that spark the mind, was how this would turn out? A lesson and a fun one at that!!!! Yet the trine showed us you would still get the Iodine...

I really wish we did more of these horary tests...because they really force us to learn more, and study

With my Virgo moon this was a perfect little test for me and I really enjoyed it!

freedomlover · #24 10-07-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinyasa

my dear FL,

thanks for giving us the chance to train a little bit and thanks for updating with the answer to the mystery...

for myself, i understood better keep my fingers off horary, at least for the moment, and stick with the natal

see you around!

NONSENSE, Vinyasa! I thought you did an excellent job for a newbie! You can't be expected to get everything perfect, just out of the starting gate! Heck, you do as well as I do on the average horary, without interjecting my own brand.

You wrote:

Quote:

- Moon (the action) has just separated from trine to Venus (= Freedomlover ordering the tablettes) -> the last action Moon made before the chart, shows what originated the question

- Moon will apply to trine Mercury Rx (the tablettes) BUT before that Moon will apply to oppose Mars ruler of 12th and 7th: did the friend actually did something wrong when ordering the tablettes? or was the order blocked by an institution (eg hospital, insurance) who should convalidate the order? (I don't know how it works with these orders in USA, I live in Europe...

)

The order was kind of "blocked" by an institution of sorts - the chiropractor did not send them out until the day after promised BUT MOSTLY it was the U.S. Mail that held it up for so many days. Again, I'm wondering if the packaging had something to do with it being sorted and handled, slowing it down.

Quote:

What I see also is that the chiropractor (= Saturn) is combust Sun in the 5th house, which is also ruled by Sun and therefore dignified by house rulership... Moreover, Saturn is intercepted and his dispositor (Mercury) is also intercepted and Rx, plus under the sun's beams, so the same limitation (of interception) is valid for the tablettes themselves, it is not just Mars the problem, it is also Sun, who combusts the chiropractor and intercepts both the chiropractor and the tablettes...

I really think Sun is the mail and its workers, the "partner" in the process
(Sun in Libra) - and again, it was the Sun ( mail) who was the main problem in the delay - not the chiropractor's office, which only accounted for one day delay. The Sun "combusts and intercepts" - sounds like the mail "taking over" from the chiropractor, does it not?

So, SEE what you were picking up on accurately! Please do not quit trying horary if you really want to do it. You will get better and better the more you have hands-on practice with feedback.

freedomlover · #25 10-07-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by smilingsteph

Well I think with the three of us here putting our heads together, we did a pretty good job!!!!!

Thanks FL for the lesson here....

Maybe that Saturn in the 5th (of creativity, fun, pleasure) in Virgo, for analyzing and loving to play games that spark the mind, was how this would turn out? A lesson and a fun one at that!!!! Yet the trine showed us you would still get the Iodine...

I really wish we did more of these horary tests...because they really force us to learn more, and study

With my Virgo moon this was a perfect little test for me and I really enjoyed it!

I'm glad you were able to enjoy practicing horary. I think it is tremendous fun, too. My Prog. Moon is in Virgo, too, but I'm thinking my Jupiter Rx in Gemini ruling the 3rd, in my 6th just loves puzzles!

You wrote:

Quote:

5th house can mean fathers moveable goods, did someone in your family pick up the package?
Did you already have it? Did the mailman have it and it was near you but it never got to you?
Or did the order get placed, was the order still with you meaning that it was actually never ordered?

Okay can I get two tries here?

Then your co-ruler the moon is in the 9th house trining you...9th can mean travel, long distance....so the package may have had to travel very far to get to you....or the package would take a long time to get to you finally getting to you with that trine in the end..

I think you were accurately picking up on the mailman having it - and it did travel 500 miles and took a loong time to get it! You also predicted accurately that I would receive it in the end.

Good job!

Btw, I've been on them almost a week now. I'm feeling much more "balanced". I wonder if the Sun in Libra, ruling the end of the matter would show that "balance" that I would get when they got here. Hmm....

Have you received your supplements you ordered for your back? If so, any progress?

FL