PHI in astrology

[Radu]

Hi

You know about PHI, the golden ratio, the golden mean, the golden number, a special proportion believed by antics and moderns alike to represent a divine proportion, harbinger of harmony. It is found proeminent in algebra, geometry, anthropometry, many exact and occult sciences, Giza pyramids proportions and so on.

PHI = (sqrt(5) + 1) / 2 = 1,6180339887

In astrology I think it relates to Venus influence, since (astronomically) Venus' revolution period is in golden proportion with Earth's and (astrologically) Venus describes during her movement around the zodiac a pentagram, geometrical shape which embeds PHI, the golden ratio.

What about applying it further in astrology:

360 degrees * PHI = 222 deg 29 min 32 sec = 12 Sco 30
Sabian Symbol: AN INVENTOR PERFORMS A LABORATORY EXPERIMENT
I don't know of anything in particular related to this degree.

30 deg * PHI = 18 deg 32 min 28 sec

There are some special meanings of the 18+ degrees (=19th degree of the each sign). They are listed below, together with the corresponding sabian symbols.
Please help me fill in the blanks by suggesting astrological events that took place at the 18+ of any sign.

18+ Aries - Exaltation degree of the Sun - THE MAGIC CARPET OF ORIENTAL IMAGERY.
18+ Taurus - A NEW CONTINENT RISING OUT OF THE OCEAN.
18+ Gemini - A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.
18+ Cancer - A PRIEST PERFORMING A MARRIAGE CEREMONY.
18+ Leo - Degree of 1999 Total Solar Eclipse (featuring a fixed T cross) - A HOUSEBOAT PARTY.
18+ Virgo - A special degree related to Islam and Muslim countries - A SWIMMING RACE.
18+ Libra - Exaltation degree of Saturn - A GANG OF ROBBERS IN HIDING.
18+ Scorpio - Serpentis, "the cursed degree of the cursed sign" - A PARROT LISTENING AND THEN TALKING, REPEATS A CONVERSATION HE HAS OVERHEARD.
18+ Sagittarius - PELICANS, DISTURBED BY THE GARBAGE OF PEOPLE MOVE THEIR YOUNG TO A NEW HABITAT.
18+ Capricorn - A CHILD OF ABOUT FIVE CARRYING A HUGE SHOPPING BAG FILLED WITH GROCERIES.
18+ Aquarius - A FOREST FIRE QUENCHED.
18+ Pisces - A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE.

Edit, one hour later: I just realised that the Moon was at 18Cap38 when the message was sent...

[Susie]

Hi Radu

Although I cannot say what meaning this degree has in the various signs, i can tell you that I have my natal Sun at 18° Sagittarius, and my Moon at 18° Capricorn. I can confirm that I have a strong dislike of people who litter (like the pelicans I am too disturbed by garbage), and that I was responsible from a young age for my younger siblings, so the picture of a 5 year old with a bag of shopping fits somewhat.

I have read (I think in one of Noel Tyl's books), that 18° mutable signs is one of the "Astrologers degrees".

The golden mean: I must say that I am happiest, when things are in complete balance and harmony. Imbalance disturbs me greatly!

Best,
Susie

[Arian Maverick]

For those mathematically minded, here is a site about the Golden Ratio

Perhaps I will understand it someday!

Arian Maverick

[Radu]

Thanks Beth for the link: the images show that a pentagon's side and diagonal are in golden ratio. In astrology, these relate to the aspects of quintile and biquintile (5th harmonic aspects).


Could the quintile and biquintile be actual a kind of PHI aspect, a manifestation of the golden ratio? I start to believe so.

Moses Siregar III says about quintiles:

If you want to find someone's gifts in a chart, don't forget the quintiles. They are very special!

I find quintiles to be extraordinarily important, and to work very well up to about 5 degrees of orb. I think if you don't look for quintiles, you're leaving out one of the most positive indicators in a chart for someone's greatest gifts or blessings, and, of course, we need all the blessings that we can get. So, for the sake of being a positive-minded astrology-student or practitioner, I think it's imperative to spot the quintiles. I'd say treat quintiles like a trine, only more unique and special to the person. Quintile people, in general, are very creative and/or very mentally brilliant, whereas trine people, in general, are more laid-back and able to play and enjoy R & R. The negative of the quintile is being overly mental or active, while the negative of the trine is in being lazy or undisciplined or ungrounded. Since the quintile is based on '5' it makes sense to me that it should be given a wide orb. It's the most primary numerological aspect after the conjunction (1), opposition (2), trine (3), and square (4).

More links found by search:
- Masonic symbolism, astrology & pentagrams: http://www.tornado-airsoft.ch/homepa...washington.htm
- this forum board has post that confirms the association between quintiles and PHI: http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

[johan]

Very interesting.

There is a dutch website,called Uranische vijfster nieuwsbrieven(Uranian fivestar newsletters)of a man who is really investigating all aspects of mathimatical,quantumfysics subjects,especially the relation of the pentagram,the golden ratio(A:B=B: (A+B)or 1:2=2(1+2) and the Fibonaccinumbers,the outcome of the Golden Ratio
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89 etc.The further you go into the series and dividing them with one another,the closer you get to the number phi!And these things are all related to the precession!

This man is an enormous thinker and scientist,who tries to minor the gap between science and esotery and astrology.Unfortunately,this website is only in Dutch,but with quotes of people in English and referations to links on the web.

He also sees the number 9 as an important number in relation with this,and in some newsletters there are very interesting drawings of things related to the golden ratio,like fethers of the peacock and a certain flower laid on eachother,something of Dozci who says:"This is not magic : it is the mana of sharing, which is the very nature of nature". Änd he said :"Irrational numbers are not unreasonble; they are only beyond reason, in the sense that they are beyond the grasp of whole numbers. They are infinite and intangible. In patterns of organic growth the irrational phi ration of the golden section reveals that there is indeed and infinite and intangible side to our world ".. And there is also the Golden Ratio in DNA and in buildings like Stonehenge,the Parthenon and the Notre Dame.Well,there are numerous examples.I will send an e-mail to this man,to see if it is possible if the newsletters can be translated into English.

This is the site:http://www.egoproject.nl/star/

So Radu,I think quintile and bi-quintile are related to phi,but how to apply it to certain degrees,I don't know.What also is interesting I think,is that the pentagram shows up in (almost)the same signs,that has to say something also.And,esoterical,the pentagram is the sign of the complete(holistic)human.

[Radu]

Originally Posted by johan

"Irrational numbers are not unreasonble; they are only beyond reason, in the sense that they are beyond the grasp of whole numbers. They are infinite and intangible. In patterns of organic growth the irrational phi ration of the golden section reveals that there is indeed and infinite and intangible side to our world ".

I love this quote. Thanks!

[johan]

I like this site too for information on phi:

http://goldennumber.net/

[Radu]

Originally Posted by johan

I like this site too for information on phi:

http://goldennumber.net/

Yes, this site rocks! well done.

On this page an artist implanted 20 steel pillars on various points around the Earth's circumference at golden ratio distances from the previous one.
This could be done using any number of "pillars" and placing them on the zodiac wheel for instance.
Since 7 is the number closest to the golden ratio from 12 (interesting 7 traditional planets, 12 zodiacal signs) we might look for the exact positions in the zodiac of those markpoints.
After some calculations, it gives: 7Ari56, 12Ari50, 20Ari47, 03Tau37, 24Tau24, 28Gem01 and 22Leo25.
Interestingly, the transiting Sun is currently at 27Gem45, very close to the 6th markpoint of the 7th fold phi zodiac division.

This page (http://goldennumber.net/solarsys.htm) is also very interesting as it presents that certain planets of our solar system seem to exhibit a relationship to phi.

I'm very interested in more finding phi harmonies in astrology and other fields of life, which will help
For instance, the two words of the name of this very site, Astrology Weekly are in a proportion close to phi: 9 and 6 letters, 42 and 27 as numerological values.

For instance, it seems that everything that has a given lenght allows the calculation of the phi point (which splits its lenght in two parts in phi proportion to each other).
Take Moon's cycle for instance or Solar Return cycle or any planetary cycle.
Add 222 deg. 30 min to your natal Sun's position and there you are - on the moment the transiting Sun crosses that exact point, there must be some PHI phenomenon going on in your life. It might also represent a very harmonious moment, when one might perform a specific action thar requires lots of harmony.

There is even a constellation in the sky named O-Phi-u-chus (see here) which by some is considered as the 13th zodiacal sign. The main stars in Ophiuchus are listed here, together with their tropical zodiac positions. But when translated to the Sidereal Zodiac positions, these stars spread on an area that encompasses the phi degree (222=12 Scorpio).

Just random thoughts.

[johan]

For instance, it seems that everything that has a given lenght allows the calculation of the phi point (which splits its lenght in two parts in phi proportion to each other).
Take Moon's cycle for instance or Solar Return cycle or any planetary cycle.
Add 222 deg. 30 min to your natal Sun's position and there you are - on the moment the transiting Sun crosses that exact point, there must be some PHI phenomenon going on in your life. It might also represent a very harmonious moment, when one might perform a specific action thar requires lots of harmony.

I like this idea.Easy to use in practice for faster(Moon) and slower(Sun)cycles.I will experiment with this to see if on the particular day something interesting will happen!And interesting if a transiting planet is on this particular point.

I'm very interested in more finding phi harmonies in astrology and other fields of life, which will help
For instance, the two words of the name ...

Interesting to investigate names of people you know or famous people, events,buildings,maybe even the names of plants which are reckoned as Venusplants(maybe the latin names).Inspirational for me,these ideas!

I'd like to just remind everybody that the Quintile/Biquintile are based upon the Golden Ratio. They make a Golden Triangle (an isoceles triangle in which the sides are of the Golden Ratio, and when one bisected an angle by a new line one makes another golden triangle) and can be seen in the classic pentagram-inside-a-pentagon. From that symbology alone, they should represent both Order and Beauty -- and connect the ideal with the actual (as evidenced by the prevalence in nature.) like to just remind everybody that the Quintile/Biquintile are based upon the Golden Ratio. They make a Golden Triangle (an isoceles triangle in which the sides are of the Golden Ratio, and when one bisected an angle by a new line one makes another golden triangle) and can be seen in the classic pentagram-inside-a-pentagon. From that symbology alone, they should represent both Order and Beauty -- and connect the ideal with the actual (as evidenced by the prevalence in nature.)

Great quote of this forumleader.

According to astrologers Venus rules the signs Taurus and Libra.But can this be proved?If we associate the sign of Taurus with beauty and the sign of Libra with relations,we can discover the same principle in both signs,that of the golden ratio.This principle shows the ideal proportion,namely 1:1,618.Or a : b= b : (a + b).We find the golden ratio back in nature and in art,like paintings and architecture,where this is considered as a feature of beauty,the Taurus-aspect.But this rule also shows an ideal proportion or relation,the Libra-aspect.This says for example that the relation between employee and employer is the same as employer and the total company.The golden ratio has got to do with both Taurus and Libra.But has the golden ratio also to do with Venus?
Let's look at Venus.And remember on which points of the zodiac she is behind the Sun. That only occurs one time in 584 days.We have to be patient to discover after 8 years that Venus is almost on the same 5 points of the zodiac behind the sun If we connect these points we have the pentagram(...)

Like this little article of Satyamo Uyldert,a Dutch astrologer,out of one of his newsletters too,beauty and relation,Taurus and Libra,Venus and golden ratio...

[Arian Maverick]

I have been thinking of a strange recurrent idea involving PHI and the gradual phasing between the tropical and sidereal zodiacs: do you suppose any interesting data would result from multiplying this ratio with the difference (in degrees) between any particular planet in the sidereal and tropical zodiacs? Would this produce a more harmonized natal chart?

For example, these are the degree measurements of my natal planets according to the default Western geocentric (tropical) settings of Astrodienst for my birth time of 6 AM:

Sun: 15 Aries 35'42" = 15 degrees 35'42"
Moon: 5 Aries 9'58" = 5 degrees 9'58"
Mercury: 16 Aries 30'28" = 16 degrees 30'28"
Venus: 15 Aries 42'26" = 15 degrees 42'26"
Mars: 15 Gemini 19'55" = 75 degrees 19'55"
Jupiter: 4 Gemini 17'20" = 64 degrees 17'20"
Saturn: 13 Capricorn 40'31" = 283 degrees 40'31"
Uranus: 5 Capricorn 19'39" = 275 degrees 19'39"
Neptune: 12 Capricorn 21'51" = 282 degrees 21'51"
Pluto: 14 Scorpio 34'5" = 224 degrees 34'5"
True Node: 4 Pisces 17'4" = 334 degrees 17'4"
Chiron: 1 Cancer 55'2" = 91 degrees 55'2"

Ascendant: 29 Pisces 25'20" = 359 degrees 25'20"
Midheaven: 29 Sagittarius 41'47" = 269 degrees 41'47"

These are the degree measurements of my natal planets according to the default Western geocentric (tropical) settings of Astrodienst for my birth time of 6 AM:

Sun: 21 Pisces 0'10" = 351 degrees 0'10"
Moon: 10 Pisces 34'26" = 340 degrees 34'26"
Mercury: 21 Pisces 54'56" = 351 degrees 54'56"
Venus: 21 Pisces 6'53" = 351 degrees 54'56"
Mars: 20 Taurus 44'23" = 50 degrees 44'23"
Jupiter: 9 Taurus 41'48" = 39 degrees 41'48"
Saturn: 19 Sagittarius 4'59" = 259 degrees 4'59"
Uranus: 10 Sagittarius 44'6" = 250 degrees 44'6"
Neptune: 17 Sagittarius 46'18" = 257 degrees 46'18"
Pluto: 19 Libra 58'33" = 199 degrees 58'33"
True Node: 9 Aquarius 41'31" = 309 degrees 41'31"
Chiron: 7 Gemini 19'30" = 67 degrees 19'30"

Ascendant: 4 Pisces 49'47" = 334 degrees 49'47"
Midheaven: 5 Sagittarius 6'17" = 245 degrees 6'17"

These are the differences in degree measurements of my natal planets between the default Western geocentric (tropical) settings and the Western geocentric (tropical) settings for my birth time of 6 AM. Since I am feeling a bit lazy during my second day of summer vacation, I am not going to take the minutes into account at all!

Sun: 351 degrees 0'10" - 15 degrees 35'42" = 336 degrees
Moon: 340 degrees 34'26" - 5 degrees 9'58" = 335 degrees
Mercury: 351 degrees 54'56" - 16 degrees 30'28" = 335 degrees
Venus: 351 degrees 54'56" - 15 degrees 42'26" = 336 degrees
Mars: 75 degrees 19'55" - 50 degrees 44'23" = 25 degrees
Jupiter: 64 degrees 17'20" - 39 degrees 41'48" = 25 degrees
Saturn: 283 degrees 40'31" - 259 degrees 4'59" = 24 degrees
Uranus: 275 degrees 19'39" - 250 degrees 44'6" = 25 degrees
Neptune: 282 degrees 21'51" - 257 degrees 46'18" = 25 degrees
Pluto: 224 degrees 34'5" - 199 degrees 58'33" = 25 degrees
True Node: 334 degrees 17'4" - 309 degrees 41'31" = 25 degrees
Chiron: 91 degrees 55'2" - 67 degrees 19'30" = 24 degrees

Ascendant: 359 degrees 25'20" - 334 degrees 49'47" = 25 degrees
Midheaven: 269 degrees 41'47" - 245 degrees 6'17" = 24 degrees

According to Radu, PHI = (sqrt(5) + 1) / 2 = 1.6180339887. My calculator rounds this to 1.618033989, so this is the number I am going to use.

Sun: 336 degrees x 1.618033989 = 543.6594202 degrees
Moon: 335 degrees x 1.618033989 = 542.0413862 degrees
Mercury: 335 degrees x 1.618033989 = 542.0413862 degrees
Venus: 336 degrees x 1.618033989 = 543.6594202 degrees
Mars: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
Jupiter: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
Saturn: 24 degrees x 1.618033989 = 38.83281573 degrees
Uranus: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
Neptune: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
Pluto: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
True Node: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
Chiron: 24 degrees x 1.618033989 = 38.83281573 degrees

Ascendant: 25 degrees x 1.618033989 = 40.45084972 degrees
Midheaven: 24 degrees x 1.618033989 = 38.83281573 degrees

I think I need some time to digest this information!

Arian Maverick