Saturn/Uranus opposition and Saturn retro by Sabian analysis- 2010

[piercethevale]

Greetings fellow Skywatchers.
The upcoming Saturn/Uranus opposition occuring in 2010 is of great interest to me.
If any of you have read and followed my thread on my proposed chart of Jesus then you know that I consider the 1st degrees of Libra and Aries to be so significant.
Saturn, "The Lesson Giver" will be in Libra 1* the symbol for which is the "Perfect form of Man [or Woman]" and Uranus will be in Aries 1*, "The newly forming consciousness and form".
These are the degrees of the Asc. [WHO] and Desc. [WHERE-TO] of my proposed chart for Jesus. It represents the "Transfiguration" that occured...that can occur once the "Perfect form/state of being" is reached...and interestingly the preceding symbol for Virgo 30* is about [by Rudhyars' definition] "THE CONQUEST OF ILLUSION".
The conjuction of this event occurs during a Saturn final return from a retro movement. This will begin when Saturn is in the 5th degree of Libra in January 2010 and at that time the North Node will be in the 21st degree of Capricorn.

These two degrees represent symbolically what Saturn "The Lesson Giver" is trying to influence in society illustrated by the symbol for the North Node.
The symbol for the 5th degree of Libra is symbolically [from Rudhyars book] "A MAN REVELING TO HIS STUDENTS THE FOUNDATION OF AN INNER KNOWLEDGE UPON WHICH A 'NEW WORLD' COULD BE BUILT. Keynote: the necessity for the youthful spirits to learn from a teacher who through his long experience has been able to reach solid and illuminating truths, i.e.'seed ideas'. Keyword: TRANSMISSION". This symbolically represents the lesson Saturn will try to emphasize at this time.
The North Node represents societys' symbolic lesson at this time...the reason of ths Saturnian influence. The reason humankind needs Saturn to go back and pick up/absorb other symbolic energy for the impetus to get this lesson/mnessage across. This will occur at 21* Capricorn, the symbol for which is [Rudhyar] "A RELAY RACE...The whole of civilization is a vast kind of relay race in which groups of people and generations carry the torch of what we call 'progress'. Major achievements result from the sum total of human strivings."
Now the point Saturn reaches in its' retrograde movement will be in the 28th degree of Virgo next May, 2010 and at that time will be in opposition aspect to a near perfect [a one degree orb] conj. between Jupiter and Uranus.
This degree symbolically represents energy being picked up by Saturn to be as the impetus for the release of the lesson at Libra 5*. The symbol for which is [Rudhyar] "Virgo 28* A BALDHEAD MAN WHO HAS SEIZED POWER...Whether at the religious or at the socio-political and cultural level there comes a time when obsolescent patterns of order and cultural refinement have to be radically and relentlessly challenged.
At this point the North Node will be in the 14th degree of Cap. Which is symbolically [Rudhyar] "AN ANCIENT BAS-RELIEF CARVED IN GRANITE REMAINS A WITNESS TO A LONG FORGOTTEN CULTURE. Keynote The will to unearth, in our culture as well in any culture, what has permanent value, and to let go of non-essentials...Keywords HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE."
Wow, what a combination of symbols here! Figuring out what is essential and then letting go of obsolescent patterns of religious and socio-political patterns of order!
Now when Saturn makes its' final return to the starting point in Libra 5* it release the lesson symbolically emphasized by that degree and for another reason upon humankind emphasized by the North Node which willo be at the 9th degree of Cap...the symbol for which is [Rudhyar] "AN ANGEL CARRYING A HARP. Keynote: The revelation of the spiritual meaning and purpose at the core of any life situation. Keyword: ATTUNEMENT."

...all in all very inspiring news...especially for you 'Spiritual New-Agers'...although I'll have to study Uranus and that Jupiter/Uranus conj.to fully understand the broader scope of this...I'll get back to you all when I do. ptv

[R4VEN]

Thanks so much for that, PTV.
I always enjoy your posts, and the Sabian analysis is fascinating.

This is uplifting and inspiring stuff.

I look forward to your analysis of Jupiter conj Saturn in the mix.

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

Thanks so much for that, PTV.
I always enjoy your posts, and the Sabian analysis is fascinating.

This is uplifting and inspiring stuff.

I look forward to your analysis of Jupiter conj Saturn in the mix.

Raven, I believe you intended to say Mars conj. Saturn in the mix...which will occur with the Saturn/Uranus opposition next July...with Jupiter conj Uranus...all in all quite the cluster ****

...and thanks for your kind words. ptv

[piercethevale]

Greetings, I realized I should have probably posted this analysis in a different forum as it is an empirical process...that is not a standard one...the utilization of the Sabians in this type of analysis is very new and although I believe in it it has yet to be given time to prove itself...please keep an open mind on it but give it a chance...ptv

[piercethevale]

I believe we should look back to the last Saturn/Uranus conj which occured in June 1988...as these cycles should be thought of in the terms "Evolution & Involution".
In June '88 these two planets conj. at the 29th degree of Sag. which quite interestingly is the "Galactic Center" by some analysis.
Coupling that occurance with this opposition that will occur on the 1st degrees of Libra and Aries is very intriguing...and as I said especially so because of the coincidence of these two degrees having been proposed as the Asc. Desc. of Jesus' birth chart by Rudhyar in his book on the Sabians in the Chapter entitled "The Cross And The Star" and that the chart I propose is that of Jesus has these two degrees as the Asc. and Desc.
Interesting that the odds of this paired occurance must be only once in thousands of years...and remember that Pluto was just recently conj. this "Galactic Center"...also because a progressed chart, of the one I propose is the birthchart of Jesus, now has the 29th degree of Sag. as its' M.C....which I'll attach here.

...also quite curious to me is that the progressed Part of Fortune at the 25th degee of Leo is my Part of Fortune and my M.C. of my natal chart...beegeezus! [pun intended!]

[piercethevale]

...also, I should point out Plutos current position on the 1st degree of Capricorn which is the proposed I.C. [the HOW} of the birth chart of Jesus by Rudhyar in the aforementioned book and chapter of his on the Sabians and the chart I produced.
The 1st degree of Cap. will also be the position of the North Node in Jan 2011 at which time Saturn will begin another retrograde movement.
The 1st degree of Cap. is symbolically [from Rudhyar] "AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE."
In the birth chart as the I.C. [the HOW] I see this as Jesus establishing his ministry over the sects of belief that He was a part of and was yet to be the focus of. The activity of Pluto at this point does infer transformation of these sects which falls into the definitions/interpretations I've given above for the Saturn/Uranus opposition and Saturn Rx. Coupled with this event coming in Jan 2011 causes me to imagine , in the near future, some noticable reformations in the various sects of Christianity and possibly even the Judaic.
The enormous amount of activity on the 1st degrees of the four Cardinal points [the birth chart axis] now and for the 16 months, or so, I feel is so very significant...only time will tell if this analysis of mine has proceded along the right lines...regardless of my beliefs and analysis it should be of most important observation and study for all Astrologers of all schools of Astrology.

[piercethevale]

Well, heres another log for this fire...fuel for thought.
I was reminded that the first opposition that recently occured between Saturn and Uranus was in 2008 from lillyjgc and her thread on the 'Education Board'...
I can't help myself but to point to the degree that Uranus is found in i.e the 19th degree of Pisces which, again, is symbolically [Rudhyar] "A MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE"...and again, if I may point out this is the degree and symbol for the Part of Fortune of my proposed birth chart for Jesus/Yeshua.
Just more of the overwhelmingly significant degrees of the Zodiac that pertain to this study of mine.

Saturn and Uranus = Lessons in Awakening...I believe the alarm clock is ringing!

I've borrowed a chart from lillyjgc's post and am utilizing it here.

[piercethevale]

...Wow! Thanks for that tip Edda...by the way aren't you aware of Astrodienst and their ephemeris at astro.com?
Their ephemeris goes back to B.C.

[Note for clarification: the person I'm responding to, i.e. "Edda", has since removed her posts and for some reason cancelled her membership here in the forum...left without a trace...ptv Sept. 29th]

[piercethevale]

Edda, what town in Germany did Martin Luther commit that act?
I cast a chart for Berlin at noon and noticed that the Nodes had just left the 1st degrees of Cap. and Cancer and that Pluto was at apprx 01* Cap 55'...thus there was a conj. and opposition thing going on with Pluto and the nodes on the 1st degrees of Cap./Cancer that was the prelude to this event.
Also of note is that Uranus was opposite a Sun/Mars Conj in Scorpio that day...all in all quite interesting and more evidence to support my theory...thank you!

[piercethevale]

Edda, I found that it occured in Wittenberg, Ger. according to wikipedia...here's the chart!

...also of interest is that there was a Pluto/Jupiter/Uranus Grand Trine that occured some months prior to this event.












...Note: it seems that Edda deleted all her posts and then erased her profile...odd, Goodbye Edda!

[piercethevale]

Hers's something of supporting interest written by Dane Rudhyar from his book "Astrology of Transformation", it's an excerpt from the book that I found over at the khaldea.com/Rudhyar archival project...which I thoroughly recommend...they do ask for a donation to use their web-site but it is not enforced.


" In the great majority of cases, planetary nodes are of no real meaning in the lives of human beings. They acquire at least potential meaning when a person, as a participant in a sociocultural whole, can be considered a mouthpiece or channel for the operation of collective forces. If the person has reached the stage of individual development at which he or she is actually conscious of what happens through his or her being, then the transpersonal level has been reached; but if there is no consciousness of being an agent of some supersocial and supercultural Power, but only a kind of unconscious mediumship the person still operates at the sociocultural level.
At that level, the trans-Saturnian planets — Uranus, Neptune and Pluto — also act mainly in an indirect and collective manner; that is to say, they operate through changes occurring in the society or culture as a whole — for instance, as changes in life-style, fashion, and education, or changes in the political and economic structure of a nation. To the great majority of people living in more or less normal and relatively stable periods of cultural and political evolution, such changes cause a minimum of personal problems; people readily adjust to them. Yet, since the process of individualization has reached a stage at which it has become a public issue, and the attainment of a state of conscious, free and autonomous individuality is presented in one form or another all over the globe as the ideal goal of human evolution, the trans-Saturnian planets play a critical role even at the sociocultural level of astrological interpretation." [Dane Rudhyar]


...DO YOU SEE? THIS EXPLAINS THE ESOTERIC, 'HIGHER OCTAVE', EFFECT OF THESE OUTER PLANETS AS THEY WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NODES...This is what I'm saying is happening at this time...it may be un-observable to a great many people at the time it is happening...but once the smoke has cleared....!!!


http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astrology.shtml