Sixth house! What have you got?

[Howl]

Hi Cassie,

Thanks for your insight. I like the idea of "a life of service that will manifest itself in a sag way", that makes perfect sense to me. Right now, it looks like sevice at the societal level, also internationally.

Mercury in the sixth = overstimulated mentally, hehe yeah. It's also (somewhat, I haven't decide yet) sqaure mars in the third

Neptune in the sixth with sun and mercury. One funny thing about this...I always used to have nightmares about fish...jumping out of fish tanks in an uncontrollable fashion, and/or water leaking flooding spilling swooshing...lots of out of control water dreams. I used to work in a fish pet shop when I was younger, which may partially explain it!

Over the past few years, I've made peace with my dream water. First I had a dream where I stood alone in a beautiful home, frozen in awe, as a wild, foaming, beautiful tidal wave rose weightless and shining in the night air under the light of the moon. I was alone in Thailand (this was before the real tsunami). I had the feeling that it was for me, or had something to do with me. I was also on the phone to my friend, and water slid suddenly and silently all across the dark marble floor under my feet. Sounds wild, but I could it as a positive, and beautiful dream.

I had another where my mum took me across beach dunes in the daytime, and showed me huge waves, four metres high, and also weightless, shining, lush, foamy, and wild. She was talking to me, gently reminding me that i was to start swimming, now was the time, just start, get in there, even if I didn't know how to. Logic would have told me that the waves would crush the life out of me, and I was aswed, but not afraid.

And lastly, a dream where I lived with my family in the desert, in a caravan. I had a personal swimming pond standing out the back, and went out to put my hands in the water, and go and play with my two giant fish. They were two metre long koi, and they loved to be near me as much as I loved to be with them, they felt hard and smooth and I was so damned happy to have them there, they liked to play, it was a huge sensation of joy. This last one I had on the most recent pisces new moon

[Cassie Priam]

Howl,

I agree that the pet store dreams could be a classic anxiety dream related to your childhood job, but all the others seem more like something else. And it does seem curious that of all the childhood anxiety situations one can face you have chosen to remember a water and fish one!

If you have Chiron conjunct your SN, you could be dreaming about past lives. It is quite possible that you had some past lives living near water.
Do you know what your PNSE sign is? And what house?

Also with Nep in the 6th house you are going to be wide open to outside influences, a psychic sponge of sorts. You can soak up everything around you, including other peoples illnesses, feelings and environmental stress. So your dreams could reflect that as well.

You are also going to be very sensitive to anything you ingest, food, medications, etc. Health problems can be linked to past live problems and the aspects to Nep will indicate the specifics.

If I could see your natal chart I could say more.

[Howl]

Hello again,

yes, the later dreams are definitely about something more, and I quite like the fact that they're still water dreams but more powerful and rewarding, rather than anxious. I remember water/fish anxiety dreams more than the others because it came up pretty often!

Here is my chart. I don't know what you mean by PNSE sign?

[Cassie Priam]

Dreams that occur over and over are significant dreams and we should pay attention to them. And yes I like the fact that the dream progression has matured into healthier dynamics. PNSE is prenatal solar eclipse. I can look it up for you.

I will take a look at your chart as well...

[Cassie Priam]

This is your prenatal Sol eclipse info:

Jul 31 03:46 T 145 Sun 7 Leo 51

The site below will show you when your eclipse first started, when it ends and when it will visit you again!

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEsaros/SEsaros145.html

Brady indicates that this saros cycle eclipse is going to dust you with the following energy:

Unexpected events involving friends or groups will place pressure on personal relationships. And these issues will become more apparent with eclipse transits. In this life it is important for you not to make hasty decisions since information may be distorted or false. You also need to work on health issues in this life, not getting too fatigued or ignoring health problems.

The Leo PNSE indicates the need to exercise leadership and authority in karmic situations, with vigor and resolve, half hearted attempts will not be successful. It is important for you to develop the creativity, self confidence and vitality that are karmic gifts.

You must learn the difference between self confidence and self focus in this life, and leave behind the negative traits of Leo.

It is likely with this placement that you may have a paternal karmic relationship with one of your children. And many with the Leo PNSE work with children and promote the welfare of children in some capacity.

The first house placement indicates a need to examine issues of self responsibility. It is important to see yourself as an individual and to be honest about strengths and weaknesses.

BTW I love your natal chart double tailed kite. And then the one Chiron tail has the tip of your yod. I think that 4/5 house Scorpio and sag energy and the retro Uranus are going to be an important release points for all that trine and yod energy, And Uranus is your chart ruler so I think you should pay attention to this.

[Cassie Priam]

What kind of aspects does Venus have? We need to look at those to get more info.

Taurus can indicate significant body karma, especially around over indulgence in past lives.

[Howl]

Wow thanks Cassie, that's a whole lot of new info about my chart!

I hadn't looked into PNSE before but the info you posted is very interesting. First, it mentions that "unexpected events involving friends or groups will place pressure on personal relationships" which seems synonymous with my 11H moon opposition to 5H uranus, both of which aspect 7H venus

It also mentions health issues, which seems to link nicely with my sixth house focus.

Like the PNSE placement, my NN is also in the first house, but in cancer.

I'm also interested that you see a double tailed kite in my chart. When I first came to this forum, I thought I ad a kite (because astrodienst drew one!) but now, on advice from astrologers here, I doubt that my mars completes the kite (I'm not convinced that it qualifies as a trine to moon/venus).

Also, why do you consider uranus my chart ruler?
Hope you don't mind more questions, you've got me thinking

[Cassie Priam]

Duh, Ura is not your chart ruler, it is the moon right? Duh I must have looked at the wrong chart, I have a million charts floating on my desk. That is why you need to keep an eye on me

That moon is on the tail of your kite. And you are balancing Ura on your nose there. It is so beautiful, I love looking at that double kite and yod tucked in one tail.

And yes I just love it when the same things are repeated over and over in a chart. Those are the dynamics you need to pay attention to. The universe it trying to tell you something.

Karmic astrologers use wider orbs than classic folks, we go up to 10-12 depending upon the circumstances. Such as outer/inner planet placement which are karmic, and if other parts of the configuration are tight orbs we will go wider on other parts of it. And in synastry if there is a double whammy.

I know that this gives the classic folks heart failure. But it just does not makes sense to me to see the planetary energy in a chart in such black and white terms. Something is so powerful and present, but one degree difference means it does not exist at all? I do not believe that is how energy works. Yes with wider orbs we are looking at more subtle influences, but influences nontheless. I do not believe energy can be seen is a dichotomous on or off way. It is much more complex and subtle. and messages from the Divine are not simple.

I know that this is heresy for many, I supposed I will be frogged march to the forum door .

And I never mind questions, I love to talk about all of this.

[Arian Maverick]

I know that this is heresy for many, I supposed I will be frogged march to the forum door.

Nonsense! You have proven yourself to be an asset to this community, and I am confident that your online peers will respect whatever theories you may present

Arian Maverick

[Howl]

Hi again Cassie

I really do appreciate what you've had to say, thank you for sharing it! I've noticed your posts far and wide on the forum, it's little wonder you have a million charts fluttering around when you take such generous interest

Yep, the moon is my chart ruler. I'm not familiar with the different astrological schools of thought and their differing emphasis, but I will enjoy keeping an eye on that kite and tryng to discern in what way, and to what level, I believe it works.

Do you consider element/modality as particularly significant when determining how to view an aspect?

For example, do you think there's much difference between a square of wide orb when the planets are squared by sign, compared to when they are only squared by degrees (and not by sign?) What if they are tightly squared by degrees and not by sign? What do you consider most significant?

Ok completely off topic from this thread now, but I am interested in your opinion I need all the opinions I can get! I do agree that "on" and "off" for aspects is rather too binary....

[Cassie Priam]

I feel like a kid in a candy shop, there are so many interesting threads. I have many questions and I also like to contribute if I can. I wish time would permit me to respond to more posts. I am very interested in career, relationship, health issues, so I would like to be more active on those boards. (Not sure if a karmic approach will be appreciated but so far everyone has been very nice.) And of course spirituality is really my major focus so I need to get myself over there very soon.

Yep, the moon is my chart ruler. I'm not familiar with the different astrological schools of thought and their differing emphasis, but I will enjoy keeping an eye on that kite and trying to discern in what way, and to what level, I believe it works.

I took out the p fort kite on your chart. Usually I do not use pf very much, but after reading Clow's book (she thinks it is important) I have been thinking and playing with it in relation to the nodes and Chiron, and your pf was trine Chiron.

Do you consider element/modality as particularly significant when determining how to view an aspect?

Oh yes, elements are very important for a number of reasons. It is really telling us much about how the soul decided to incarnate in this lifetime. We are souls who inhabit human bodies, and we chose our bodies for very specific reasons. So the elemental balance is telling us a lot. An imbalance can suggest that there have been many types of lives in certain bodies, or for whatever reason the soul has not chosen to learn much about the kind of energy in this lifetime.

For example in your chart you have a lot of fire and air, and not much water or earth. That is telling us that you are going to be more creative in this life, have more visionary perception and experience life through intuition and spirit. The sun and moon placement support the emphasis, making it clear that this is what the soul wanted to do in this life. And you are going to be more rational and intellectual in this life, experiencing life thru the mind. One of the reasons for incarnating is for the soul to experience the world in a physical body and we can tell by the elemental balance how the soul wanted to interact and perceive the world in this life.

Your Grand Trine is air, with a bit of earth, makes me think that you have done many lives in air, and you have gotten the energy down pat, but you still want to make sure you learned the lesson so it is still with you in this life. You do have powerful air energy. (One theory is that the easy aspects indicate that we have mastered that element in past lives and now it is good karma for us to enjoy in this life, but we still want to make sure we learned the lessons. Sometimes we take it for granted however.) It looks to me like you have come out of some earth lives and are not too interested in working on that element now. And you have some earthy energy in your kite, but you did have some body wounds in a last life or a wound to your self worth or security.

The hard aspects are things we want to learn, want to balance that energy in this lifetime. Or deeply ingrained karma that we need to rework in this life.

The air and fire combination can be a bit volatile at times, with strong outbursts of energy followed by exhaustion. This soul may do very well in the realm of ideas and imagination but less so in the everyday world.

I am going to answer your last question in the next reply. I have a lot to say!

Message from Moderator: Cassie, do not be alarmed that I have edited your post; I simply corrected an HTML tag

[Amit89]

I'v got the north node in the 6th house, with zodaic sign aquarious.

[Cassie Priam]

Howl wrote: QUOTE]For example, do you think there's much difference between a square of wide orb when the planets are squared by sign, compared to when they are only squared by degrees (and not by sign?) What if they are tightly squared by degrees and not by sign? What do you consider most significant?
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I would say neither one is more significant than the other.
Both are giving information and all data is important. In this
situation orbs are giving me information about the strength
of the square relationship, the other is telling me about the
nature of that relationship. One is a quantitative the other
is qualitative. One is more micro the other more macro. And
I am going back and forth between the two all the time.
That said, I would be much more interested in the sign, as
that is going to give me a lot of information about the karmic
implications of the square in question. Mixed signs tell me
that the energy is complicated.

(BTW qualities are very indicative of karmic issues, squares
in fixed signs or houses indicate long term deeply entrenched
karma, built up over many lifetimes, and must be dealt with
in this life. Mutable is more recent karma and can be worked
on or not. And cardinal sq is karma in the making. Mixed is
just telling you that there is more than one type of karma
in this aspect.)

But I would say that my approach in general is more qualitative
and flexible, less quantitative. I see the natal chart as a
gold mine of information and I am looking at everything.
The natal chart isincredibly rich with information on many
levels. I am looking to see how it all fits together.

BTW I want to say that I am in no way an expert, I am
just a student and learning every day as I go. But in my
day job, I am in a scientific field requiring extensive training
to assess large amounts of data and synthesize and
integrate it all into a meaningful whole. So I am quite
familiar with the process. But I must admit, astrology is
more complicated than anything I have ever encountered!

[pisceskitty]

I have Chiron in Aries in mine...I have really weird eating habits! But I do have a love of Nutrition, and health foods 'n stuff.

[Yoi]

I have a somewhat strange sixth house that I hope someone will interpret for me.

The 6th house starts in Libra but near the end of the sign. My 7th house starts near the beginning of Sagittarius. So though the house starts in Libra it entirely encloses Scorpio. The beginning of the house is definitely in Libra though as it is nowhere near the Libra/Scorpio cusp. In fact Scorpio takes up the majority of the house. The 6th house contains a very tight (<1%) Mercury/Uranus Conjunction in Scorpio. What effect if any is there with the house starting in Libra but mainly encompassing Scorpio? In fact the only two planets in the house, the Mercury/Uranus Conjunction are in Scorpio, not Libra. Is the 6th house more "Libran" or "Scorpian"?

Now for some possibly useless info: Virgo is quite heavily emphasised in my chart with a Mars/Jupiter Conjunction in the 4th house. Saturn is also in Virgo but in the 5th house. The North Node is also in Virgo in conjunction with Mars. I have a very strong Mercurial influence in my chart overall. Not only the whole Virgo thing both Moon and Ascendent and the 2nd house in Gemini and it being what I read is a "funnel" chart with the energies being focused on the Mercurial Gemini Moon as the only planet in the entire left part of the chart... Not sure whether that will help with the interpretation of the 6th house but I thought since Virgo is associated with the 6th house and Mercury is the ruler of Virgo...For even extra info the house ruler of Libra and hence as far as I understand the house ruler of the 6th house in this case, Venus is in Capricorn in the 8th house, trine with the Mars/Jupiter/N. Node conjunction in Virgo. To make things even more *heavily* focused on the 6th house, my MC is in Aquarius, the two planetary rulers of which, Saturn and Uranus are in Virgo and the 6th house respectively. Not sure whether any of this means anything with respect to the 6th house though...Still this is one of the reasons why I am interested in the meaning of the 6th house. There seems to be quite a heavy focus on it in my chart with a lot of conjunctions and trines being thrown around everything related to it. Also the fact that is obviously the biggest house in the chart should mean that it has extra importance right?

Now that I think about this, all this heavy Mercurian/6th house connection could be the reason for my peculiar health problems. I am usually in robust health. However, once every year I will usually get a small cold that will turn into a very severe cough and even bronchitis.

EDIT: Here is my chart as people are finding my aside too hard to follow:

[Catatonia]

Mars in Aries in the 6th.

[23]

Originally Posted by Yoi

I have a somewhat strange sixth house that I hope someone will interpret for me.

The 6th house starts in Libra but near the end of the sign. My 7th house starts near the beginning of Sagittarius. So though the house starts in Libra it entirely encloses Scorpio. The beginning of the house is definitely in Libra though as it is nowhere near the Libra/Scorpio cusp. In fact Scorpio takes up the majority of the house. The 6th house contains a very tight (<1%) Mercury/Uranus Conjunction in Scorpio. What effect if any is there with the house starting in Libra but mainly encompassing Scorpio? In fact the only two planets in the house, the Mercury/Uranus Conjunction are in Scorpio, not Libra. Is the 6th house more "Libran" or "Scorpian"?

Now for some possibly useless info: Virgo is quite heavily emphasised in my chart with a Mars/Jupiter Conjunction in the 4th house. Saturn is also in Virgo but in the 5th house. The North Node is also in Virgo in conjunction with Mars. I have a very strong Mercurial influence in my chart overall. Not only the whole Virgo thing both Moon and Ascendent and the 2nd house in Gemini and it being what I read is a "funnel" chart with the energies being focused on the Mercurial Gemini Moon as the only planet in the entire left part of the chart... Not sure whether that will help with the interpretation of the 6th house but I thought since Virgo is associated with the 6th house and Mercury is the ruler of Virgo...For even extra info the house ruler of Libra and hence as far as I understand the house ruler of the 6th house in this case, Venus is in Capricorn in the 8th house, trine with the Mars/Jupiter/N. Node conjunction in Virgo. To make things even more *heavily* focused on the 6th house, my MC is in Aquarius, the two planetary rulers of which, Saturn and Uranus are in Virgo and the 6th house respectively. Not sure whether any of this means anything with respect to the 6th house though...Still this is one of the reasons why I am interested in the meaning of the 6th house. There seems to be quite a heavy focus on it in my chart with a lot of conjunctions and trines being thrown around everything related to it. Also the fact that is obviously the biggest house in the chart should mean that it has extra importance right?

Now that I think about this, all this heavy Mercurian/6th house connection could be the reason for my peculiar health problems. I am usually in robust health. However, once every year I will usually get a small cold that will turn into a very severe cough and even bronchitis.

The encapsulation of sco in the 6th house means that the 6th house intercepts the sign of scorpio. Here is a link for you to read about this:

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Intercepted_signs.htm

As for mercury-ura conj in sco in the 6th, mentally you might be quite penetrative and are able to see things with wit and things comes to you in sudden bursts such that thought patterns might be quite unique and innovative. You might use this in your work environment. As for health, it might indicate some erratic nature as ura is in the 6th, maybe quite sudden and difficult health problems to treat. Maybe this might affect things that are ruled by Mercury - things like hands, arms and lungs. This might also be combined with the intercepted sco, which adds blockage (maybe bronchitis here).

I'm assuming that your ura is in sco. But then you talk about ura in Virgo??

[23]

ps, if you can put up your chart Yoi, it would help. I'm finding your "aside" para a bit hard to follow.

[Yoi]

Originally Posted by 23

ps, if you can put up your chart Yoi, it would help. I'm finding your "aside" para a bit hard to follow.

Sorry! I've attached my chart. I attached it to my first post in case anyone else gets confused.

[allie_b]

Hi everyone,

I love this topic! I have mercury in Pisces conjunct my 6th(from the 5th). Most astrologers put it in my 6th because I also have my sun in Pisces in the 6th, conjunct north node in Aries in 6th. Then I have Chiron in Aries in the 6th conjunct them both.

An astrologer said something interesting to me about the 6th house: that it represents blue collar workers, unions and the underdog. This truly resonated with me. My father was a firefighter(Sun in the 6th), my grandfather was also a firefighter and did a lot of work for their union. And I always root for the underdog as well.

As others have said, I am a very hard worker with Sun in the 6th. I think Sun in the 6th makes for a great work ethic. We may even be critical of ourselves(virgo house)in our work performance. Generally, a sense of self-worth comes from a job well done, I would say. I also feel a deep need to share my gifts of service to humanity. I am very helpful and try to help people as much as I can, at work and also in my day to day life.

I am also very aware of my health. I have oppositions from the 12th house, so my diet and exercise routine is very variable. But whether I'm eating junk food, vegan, or low-carbing, I am very aware of the food I put into my body and how it affects me. I'm always interested in the latest, cutting edge products and information to improve one's heath.

[Howl]

Hey allie_b, fellow sixth house sun child I am curious about something. How do you connect the ideas of blue collar, unions and the underdog with ideas of health and body consciousness, all together in the sixth house?

I have the same body/health awareness, I have the sense of needing to be socially useful, and instinctively fight for underdogs too, but I don't seem to have the "blue collar" emphasis you've described. Do you think that this is influenced by signs on the cusp and planets in the house, or that it intrincically belongs to the sixth house itself?

Given that I have Saggie on the cusp, and my Mercury is within a 1degree orb of sixth house Sun, I guess that could describe the more "white collar" emphasis that I seem to have.

[allie_b]

This blue collar association with the 6th house is just what an astrologer told me, it's not my hypothesis. But I thought the idea was intriguing enough to share it with everyone. I too, am a white collar worker but my sensibilites derive from my (blue collar) upbringing.

I don't try to synthesize the various meanings of the 6th house. It just is what it is.

The signs and planets probably do matter quite a bit with interpretation. The same astrologer I referred to before, saw my chiron and north node in Aries in the 6th and said that I could be a leader of a union. I do have strong beliefs(mars in sag in the 3rd)and I feel I definitely could start an organization that would help people in some way. I do have a particular idea in mind, actuallly, in the planning stages now.

[cossie]

Hi ,

My chart ruler saturn sits in my 6th house and Im a Virgo sun,so I am also interested in the 6th house.

I can only tell you how I have experienced its effects on myself and others.

I believe that people with planets in the 6th house dont necessarily suffer with their health,rather they take an interest in their health, in particular their diet and are especially aware of the body/mind connection.ie your health is reflected by the state of your mind and vice versa.I find that often these people are vegetarian or at least try to eat healthily in general.

Planets in the 6th also tend to make people good at organising their day,and work routine.Often markedly concientious in their work and prepared to work hard.

Wether in their work or in their leisure they often find themselves at service to others and more willing to step in and help out than anyone else.

There are many positives to this house but I do feel it is one of the least understood. Hope some of what Ive said rings a bell with some of you.

[Libra20]

I just found this thread. I've been wanting to post on this topic. I've got a hugely crowded Virgo 6th house and I'm not quite sure what it all means. I've got 5 planets (Moon, Venus, Pluto, Mercury, Uranus) there as well as my S. Node. All but Uranus are in Virgo. The Moon, Venus and Pluto also form a stellium. I know there's a whole lot of mental energy there with Mercury exalted and so many other planets in Virgo. I'm not quite sure how to interpret the stellium.

I know that the 6th house deals a lot with health issues. I've had lots of health issues when I was younger, but I am doing well now. I also am a bit too obsessed with proper diet etc.
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[pisceskitty]

I have Chiron in Aries in my 6H, which is ruled by Pisces. I'm obsessive about what I eat. I used to have weird eating habits as a kid. What I've noticed is whenever I fast, transiting Moon is usually in Aries conjuncting Chiron. Transiting Lilith was in Aries when I had an ectopic pregnancy, and needed surgery in 1993.