tragedy last night...triggered by 22 degree?

gemini59 · #1 11-06-2009, 10:47 AM

Around noon yesterday I felt like the world sunk below my feet. My heart was heavy and I had trouble all evening.
I checked the chart...The moon was is at the 22 degree of Gemini square Uranus at 22, , trine neptune at 23 and northnode at 24 ..
I thought to myself if anyone has sensitive areas this would be the day with saturn at 0 degrees squaring Pluto.
I turned on the news this morning to see the massacre at Fort Hood.
Anyone with thoughts or observations.

smilingsteph · #2 11-06-2009, 01:22 PM

What else were you feeling? Because a tragedy to me is someone being killed or something.
What happened?

I didnt see that you had written the tragedy at fort hood...you must have just added this bit?

EJ53 · #3 11-06-2009, 02:26 PM

Yes......looks like Jupiter/Chiron/Neptune had a big influence......That conjunction enabled every planet to act through the Ascendant at the time of the shooting.

smilingsteph · #4 11-06-2009, 02:38 PM

Oh yes look at that pluto square saturn 11th house to the 8th

Soldier wanting to stay home, moon in the 4th...squaring saturn (his duty), in the 8th house..

Uranus squaring the moon bizarre!

I hope I didnt know any of those that were shot. I went to school with some of the soldiers that moved from Fort Bliss in El Paso to Fort Hood....OMG

EJ53 · #5 11-06-2009, 02:51 PM

And this never-ending Jupiter/Chiron/Neptune conjunction seems to be resurrecting unresolved issues from the past......which it undoubtably did here.

Lost_spirit · #6 11-06-2009, 05:09 PM

I always feel a little uneasy when I hear about such events and I always look ahead of time at event charts for the place I live to see what's going on and what's about to happen.The Mars in this chart is on the Descendant and it conjuncts the fixed star Asellus Boreali for a few days now.This star is supposed to be an indication of murder by shooting.

gemini59 · #7 11-06-2009, 10:11 PM

I found it so odd that I had this terrible feeling at 1:30 and then checked my chart. I thought is was just me reacting to something as I have sun at 22 degrees Gemini and moon at 22 degrees Virgo. I have been anticipating some significant event and knew the square was coming.
I found it odd when I heard the news this morning and thought it had happened last night only to find that it happened around 1:30 (Texas time though) I live over here Ohio Valley so there clearly is a bit of a time lag BUT how odd.
And another shooting today though I have not found out the time but the moon is just now passing an opposition to Pluto.
EJ I did find it odd when I pulled up the chart that jupiter and neptune were on the ASC. Yes, Neptune, Chiron and jupiter can have this big effect and not so pleasant at times I suspect.

gemini59 · #8 11-06-2009, 10:25 PM

I pulled the chart for the second shooting today. See below
Saturn rules the ASC and the moon is at 5 degrees just past an opposition to Pluto and square to saturn. The VX is on the cusp of the 8th house.

gemini59 · #9 11-06-2009, 10:29 PM

Smiling Steph... I swear I did not add that

...I left to go to work after I wrote that and have not been able to add to it sense. The time on the edit is wrong in terms of my time anyway as I go to work at 7:30ish am. I edited probably for grammer and spelling issues as it is morning and I am not awake.
I am sorry I think its that neptune thing for you

gemini59 · #10 11-06-2009, 10:31 PM

Well all I can say is I am not very psychic and with Uranus traveling through my 12th that may have been my only moment

and if it was I really feel sorry for folks who are as I felt terrible.

smilingsteph · #11 11-07-2009, 12:26 AM

Gemini are you serious?
I swear all I saw was

Around noon yesterday I felt like the world sunk below my feet. My heart was heavy and I had trouble all evening.
I checked the chart...The moon was is at the 22 degree of Gemini square Uranus at 22, , trine neptune at 23 and northnode at 24 ..

I was thinking what on earth happened!

Then I saw the news on my e-mail homepage and then I went back to check my user cp to see if anything had been added, because I was going to reply to a thread I subscribed to...

Oh dear, it is my mind or just my computer

gemini59 · #12 11-07-2009, 12:47 AM

He, he, he....well its your computer..of course.

Claire19 · #13 11-07-2009, 06:56 AM

With the Moon trine Neptune, that gives clairvoyant feelings and psychic so you were tuned in. The square to Uranus was the shock and upset.

gemini59 · #14 11-07-2009, 01:05 PM

Thanks Claire, I will remember that.
I recall a thread of Theo's where he warned of these happenings. I will have to pull that one up again .

smilingsteph · #15 11-07-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gemini59

Thanks Claire, I will remember that.
I recall a thread of Theo's where he warned of these happenings. I will have to pull that one up again .

thank you for taking my side, my computer always tries to play tricks

If you find the Theo thread can you do a link here or send it to me?

Thanks a bunch!

gemini59 · #16 11-07-2009, 04:00 PM

I pulled up the one related to "Transit of Mars: crimes of passion" by Theo but I am not sure that it is 'devil' this time around though mars is just past a critical degree at 9'25 in the 24 hours of the events. Could be. It just doesn't seem to connect by aspect to anything else. But maybe it does not need too. I will look some more.
Too Saturn is also at a critical degree in the 0 degree of Libra.

EJ53 · #17 11-07-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gemini59

...mars doesn't seem to connect by aspect to anything else...

Moon/Mars mid-point = 22.25 degrees Cancer.....trine Uranus; opposite NN and qcx Chiron/Neptune.

Emotional activity (moon/mars) involving an unresolved past issue (chiron/neptune) of self vs authority (NN in Cap/1st) and a need for the "victim" to rebel (uranus in Pisces)

Sun/Mars in mutual reception......Sun/Mercury (combust) square Jupiter......Jupiter conjunct Chiron/Neptune.......Chiron/Neptune qcx Moon/Mars mid-point.

Thus the Sun could pull the Mars anger into the 10th house (employer), expand it with Jupiter indignation and hand it to the combusted/unstable Scorpio Mercury Ego......to use as it deemed appropriate at the time.

gemini59 · #18 11-07-2009, 05:58 PM

I did not think of midpoints. I need to look at those I see. That seems to fit.
On the Fort Hood incident the Sun is opposite the Jupiter/mars midpoint and partile the ASC/mars midpoint as well as Mercury which is Cazmi the sun in the 9th showing a mind set with will as one.
Saturn is square Sun+merc/Jupiter+ASC midpoint. Uranus square Ven/Jup., Neptune square sun+merc/MC. Pluto is conjunct Merc+Sun/Jup.ASC, Moon is opposite Venus/Jupiter+Asc , South node opposite Pluto/ASC
See I can do that too

Lots of midpoint activations.

EJ53 · #19 11-08-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gemini59

...See I can do that too

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I know, Cassandra......Aploogies if my previous comment appears to imply otherwise.

gemini59 · #20 11-08-2009, 01:26 AM

You know I was laughing at myself.

Midpoints confuse me as there are so many. I can not seem to hone down what is important. You are able to see connections well.

claudette · #21 11-09-2009, 07:38 PM

Yes, a terrible tragedy, on personal and political levels. I ran a noon chart for his birth Sept 6, 1970, in Arlington VA (from Wikipedia) and it looks like a very challenging chart to me. (I'll try to attach, am not always successful) All planets except Sat are in virgo, libra and scorp. Sat is a singleton, and retro.

Comparing his chart to the shooting chart is staggering. I confess I don't try to work with midpoints too much, there are so many and I have great respect for those who see them and use them! If his moon is around 18 scorp, as in the noon chart, it squares the aquar asc and stellium. His natal SN and mars 2 cap square the IC and MC. Pluto semi-squares ASC and moon 18 scorp, if that is near his moon. Is the 11th house associated with the military at all, or is the military 10th house or 1st house? I also see mars at 9 gem in the shooting chart sextiles the midpoint of his natal and progressed uran at 7 and 11 libra.

I also looked at his prenatal eclipse chart, an area I have been exploring recently. Is anyone else looking at these charts? My main source has been Rose Lineman's book. I've also read some fascinating comments on eclipse cycles from Bernadette Brady. Many people have the same PE, of course, but it's the aspects it makes to each persons natal chart that are interesting. Another important element, according to Lineman, is the key planet(s); the next planet in the zodiac, following the eclipse. This supposedly has relationship to one's most recent past life.

I was familiar with Hasan's PE, 8 virgo, as it is the same as a key person in my life. Lineman also says the initial eclipse in each cycle "color" each eclipse in that cycle. In this case it was 11 aries, which lends aries energy to that eclipse cycle. The key planets are pluto and merc, 26 and 27 virgo. So the moon of the event would be coming into a square here, and even more interesting is that Hasan's progressed mars is 27 virgo-right between these two key planets. This 26 virgo point would also be semi-square the transitting sun and merc at 13 scorpio. It would also be sextile his prog. sun at 27 libra and sextile his natal, prog. Neptune at 28 scorp.

As I said, I have just begin to work with these PE charts. I don't know if these PE aspects are significant, but they ARE there.

I truly hope someone else is working with these PE charts as my experience has been limited. They are very interesting in comparison to family members, to see karmic connections. I've just begun exploring this, due to a family crises that badly needed some clarification. I did have a hypnotic regression session that seemed to bear out a conjecture I had, based on Lineman's book, as to a previous lifetime experience with the person I mentioned. I'm going to do another session soon, to see if more information is accessible to me. I should add that this same 26 virgo point is very prominant in the 3 players in this family situation, in both our PE charts and natal charts. It's just to much to ignore.

I also ran across an article by Bernadette Brady and someone has asked her which was the worst or most difficult saros series, and she cited this particular one; 8 South. It "carries a theme of separation and loss, bodily injury and/or upheavals with authority figures". This seems to fit with Lineman's notes on the Aries influence.

I'm surely open to discussion here! Tried to attach the chart and failed. Sorry. The PE is Aug 31, 1970, Arlington VA, 6:01 pm I believe.