Severe Back Pain- Anything seen in the chart?

[smilingsteph]

Hi all!
Let me give you history:
When I was volunteering at the humane society in about 2003ish. I was volunteering for school at that time to get honors credits so that I could get into my career choice at the college. I volunteered many times on my own without credits, I just loved doing that!
Anywas, I was pulled down by a group of large dogs. After that day I developed terrible pains from my buttocks to my leg.
In normal fashion for me I never let things get me down and I worked out and continued my life as usual (with less pain, but it was still there).
Then three months later I decided to find out what was causing this dull pain.
MRI resulted in L5-S1 annular tear with central disc protrusion not compressing any nerves (at this time I was sort of pain free).
Then over the next few years (even on Christmas Day) I was in the ER with this transient sciatica pain (where it pinches in my rear end and then travels down my leg). All of this stuff happens on the right side.
One time I had this pain while at the gym and I fell and I tore out my ACL in my knee, and had to have surgery to get it replaced in 2005, yikes.
So the last really bad episode was this January, for three weeks!
Currently I am working with a trainer, and stretching and doing what I am supposed to do

What I am wondering....
What in my natal chart can reveal about this awful back problem?
Are there more back problems to come?

Now I went to see my MD yesterday, and he did a few office tests showing that I have some numbness to my right leg and weakness. I went in because I was having this tingling and burning on my foot and my last three toes numb now and then.

I am just worried that I will have this problem forever.
I have been taking advil for pain, and now he put me on a daily anti-inflammatory, we will see. If not then I will probably have to get steriod injections into my back.

What do you all think?

I know Leo is associated with back problems, and heart. I have jupiter in leo- in the 6th house, cusping that is Cancer. Intersting how Jupiter in Leo is in the 6th house and this was when the pain started, was at the Humane Society. I was reading that Sagittarius rules the sciatic nerve and I do have jupiter in the 6th house. MC in Sag, so doing the volunteer work for my career may have caused the back problems? Jupiter square the MC.
I also am just accident prone. I have fallen down stairs, tripped, hit myself on so many things. I am wondering too if I have a balance issue?

Just thought I would see what you all thought.

thanks in advance!

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[LionKing]

Whew... that Jupiter in Leo in the 6th H sure stands out. V/r LionKing

[R4VEN]

smilingsteph, before I begin I need to tell you that medical astrology is not my forte. There are people who use this site who are really good at it - I am not one, but I'm trying (and some would say very trying!).

Jupiter in the 6th is a bit of a beacon. As I read it, Jupiter in the 6th can make one very loyal and hard-working (I remember you saying elsewhere that you are a nurse) and prone to pushing your body beyond limits that others would not pass. Perhaps a gung-ho attitide towards your body's capabilities, which has its origins in simply not considering that you are mortal, and so physically limited!!!

Saturn rules the skeleton - although your bad back does not sound like it is a skeletal thing. Your 6th house ruler is the moon, and your moon is conjunct Saturn in Virgo. Just having the moon ruling the 6th could denote fluctuating health and energy levels, and I'm not sure what effect Saturn would have on the whole mix. Solar Arc Jupiter is now `activating' that Moon-Saturn conjunction.

I'm going out on a limb here - you have not asked for this, but I'll go there. The Triple Conjunction has been in your 12th house, quite closely approaching your Asc - until quite recently, that is. Being in the 12th, this conjunction may just be stirring up something from the opposite house - the 6th - which is as yet unfinished for you................ stay with me here, Steph.................................
My own experience of injuries has been that you may experience an injury early in life - from playing sport, an accident, whatever - then the injury `heals', and you get on with your life. Then, the injury may be re-activated in some way, either by re-injuring it, or just because the planets have divined that the time is Now for you to be dealing with what it is `inside' that injury. The purpose of this re-activation is generally for you to dig around inside the injury (metaphorically speaking) and remove the root cause - which is usually a set of beliefs - from within the `wound'.

To give an example of what I mean, my son has a lower back injury caused when he dived (dove??) from a cliff into the water in 2000. Every now and again that injury acts up, causing him a lot of pain. At the time the injury occurred he was visiting his girlfriend in another city, only to discover when he got there that she had begun a relationship with someone else, and was no longer interested in him. The beliefs and emotions which `maintain' that injury are some of the following: feeling betrayed, and believing in betrayal; feeling overlooked and worthless; believing himself to be unworthy of being loved. This injury has been reactivated in the last few months as he has again experienced those `realities'. The feeling of the physical pain, and being debilitated by it is a message from his Higher Self that the beliefs are still present, and that he has more `work' to do.

Hope this helps.......

[smilingsteph]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

Jupiter in the 6th is a bit of a beacon. As I read it, Jupiter in the 6th can make one very loyal and hard-working (I remember you saying elsewhere that you are a nurse) and prone to pushing your body beyond limits that others would not pass. Perhaps a gung-ho attitide towards your body's capabilities, which has its origins in simply not considering that you are mortal, and so physically limited!!!

It is very bad. I push myself beyond what is normal. I even clock out and stay at work to talk to familes or to help the staff. I know I dont treat my body very good. Even if something physically bothers me I keep going, thus the frustration why I am letting my back get to me!

Saturn rules the skeleton - although your bad back does not sound like it is a skeletal thing. Your 6th house ruler is the moon, and your moon is conjunct Saturn in Virgo. Just having the moon ruling the 6th could denote fluctuating health and energy levels, and I'm not sure what effect Saturn would have on the whole mix. Solar Arc Jupiter is now `activating' that Moon-Saturn conjunction.

I do have fluctuation energies. Literally from hour to hour. Maybe why I love coffee!! A big cup of coffee!

My own experience of injuries has been that you may experience an injury early in life - from playing sport, an accident, whatever - then the injury `heals', and you get on with your life. Then, the injury may be re-activated in some way, either by re-injuring it, or just because the planets have divined that the time is Now for you to be dealing with what it is `inside' that injury. The purpose of this re-activation is generally for you to dig around inside the injury (metaphorically speaking) and remove the root cause - which is usually a set of beliefs - from within the `wound'.

Hope this helps.......

I usually let things like this back problem go. For instance when it first happened I let it go for 3 months, with the pain and all.
Then with my knee I let that go for about three months with the pain.

Now I could let this go. But then I feel like dealing with things that have caused me pain, injury.

Like I called a family member the other night telling her that I felt like since she was closest to my mother that she could have helped her more before she died. I was angry because I was traumatized over what happened when she died, I felt like there was so much family around that I did not need to suffer like that with my sisters. We could have used some help.
We ended up in a huge fight, when all I wanted to do is to let her know she hurt me.

I also wanted so badly to tell a friend off who had taken advantage of my friendship the other day (she is moving so I didnt feel it was necessary).

So I do believe that you are very right.
I am dealing with the manifestations of pain, on many levels: the actual pain itself, and the mental anguish that occured, and deal with those that caused the mental pain.

Funny when I went to my MD, I got into the following:
To resolve this issue of pain in my back- to find out what is now the issue, and prevent a flare up attack from happening even though right now I am not in too much pain. I dont want to have it come back. Make sure the Advil I take is not going to kill me .
To get some information regarding therapists (regarding the death of my mom)
To take care of these dizzy spells I have been getting since I was very young

Basically to deal with things that I had not gotten help for in the past. I feel compelled to "take action" to do something about it. I have even started taking vitamins! I want to change, the wrongs and make them right.
I cannot describe it, but I feel like leaving all of that which hurt me in the past to move on, finally.

I was not sure how that triple conjunct was or when it would affect me. Now I can see by your reply, what is happening.

When I get the back pain, along comes with that "why should I do anything good to help?" as this was associated with the issues surrounding my back. Also not feeling comforted. I was in such pain. Not having my mom there to help me. Not getting help from my MD, saying "it is nothing." Oddly enough I was even mad at the MD (a new one) for no reason, when he was trying to help.

I get it! The feelings associated with the manifestations of my physical self go hand in hand. So dealing with this back issue, is really dealing with something more deeper.

Wow what an epiphany and at such an early time in the morning (0530 here!)

R4VEN- I am very glad you "went there!"

Lionking- Right on, I saw that jupiter in the 6th and it triggered my thoughts exactly!

[LionKing]

Thank you for the compliment but I hate to hear your in pain. I know the misery that your going through.

I had the same thing happen in the area of 10 years ago when I was at work. I've had to take about 400 mg of Aleve nearly everyday. I did visit a chiropractor for a few months.

Then one day... it all disappeared. It does show up every now and then but not like it was 10 years ago.

Another thing that seemed to help me... don't laugh at me... I drank more water and that seemed to help a lot.
V/r LionKing

[R4VEN]

Yes, LionKing, apparently we in Western countries need more water than we normally drink.

Steph, you seemed to have worked your way to a `root cause' of the pain in your back. My observation of those with back pain tends to be that there is a deep issue re feeling/believing oneself to be `unsupported' - or depended upon in ways beyond what you are available or able to provide. This is a very Saturnian/Capricorn wound - the wound of having to provide more support than you feel able to give. Think about it........... you provide support to those you care for in your job, then along comes a major life trauma - your mother dying - and you are expected to provide support there, also, when there are others perhaps freer to do that, but who don't. Result? Back pain.

Think about the Triple Conjunction in your 12th - where it opens the doorways between your conscious and unconscious, creating resonance in the opposite house - the 6th of body/health/ serving others!!!

[Carole]

Smilingsteph:

I waited to see if the experts of the Medical Astrology forum gave you an answer to your questions and helped to dispel your doubts, but as they still haven't I will take a chance myself in trying to help you.

I will refer specifically to the problems you are mentioning in your post.

- Sun and Moon are indicators of health and vital energy. A hard aspect between them stands for weak health sometimes.

- Your problem with balance might be related to the conjunction of your Sun/Mercury in Gemini, which can cause problems related to the tubes of the body. If you have had repeated colds, flu, etc. through your life, is very probable that your Eustachian tubes ended up affected. That can make you feel dizzy.

- Your Ascendant falls in Aquarius and co-ruler Uranus squares it. This can make you prone to accidents, besides causing problems in your legs and ankles, maybe weakness in an intermittent manner.

- Your Moon rules your 6th house, is afflicted and opposes your Ascendant. This might have a strong effect in your health also.

- Jupiter in Leo might affect your heart and arteries from problems related to cholesterol. Jupiter enlarges everything so it could cause an enlargement of the heart, through some cardiovascular problems. Jupiter also rules the sciatic nerve.

- Uranus in Scorpio may be responsible for back pain and pressure on your vertebrae, and may also cause tachycardia.

- Neptune in Sagittarius may cause back pain and also problems with the sciatic nerve, and as it's always the case with Neptune, there is the possibility that some pains in the back or legs that may be have its origin in the sciatic nerve, can be confused or misdiagnosed.

-You have this conjunction of transiting Neptune rx, and Jupiter in Aquarius almost touching your Ascendant, plus transiting Uranus rx in your 1st house of health. This might have acted as a trigger for these pains you are suffering.

Based in my own experience, I can tell you that a daily tablet of Neurobion (vitamin 1, B6 and B12) taken over a 4 weeks period with intervals of 2 weeks between periods, makes wonders helping with these pains. And also based in my own experience, I know that steroids may damage, in the long run, the cardiovascular system.

Of course, it goes without saying that you should consult your MD before taking any medication.

I hope you can be pain free very soon.

Carole

[R4VEN]

I guess I'm one of them - Chiron people, that is. Nothing jumps out at me hugely in relation to Chiron...........................
Chiron conj Mars and Venus is about a beginning of a journey of the soul - into a certain compassionate and idealistic space, but with a need to learn the ways of the Sacred Warrior - which just may lead you to having to face some major life challenges alone, which is a strengthening-of-the-soul requirement. You might like to read up about Artemis or Diana - Greek and Roman Goddess's respectively - if mythology `speaks' to you.

About your accident-prone-ness................
Jupiter and Mars are squared - this is such an accident-prone position, and I can't believe I didn't see it earlier - blind as! It's a placement which describes quite high levels of energy which can frequently be misdirected, but this energy has to go somewhere, and so either you direct it `somewhere' - often at the wrong time or in the wrong way - or else it breaks out of you in some way, through accident or unexpected injury. With Jupiter in Leo - this is big energy - and in the 6th house, your body and health appears to be the place where this energy ends up. As you age beyond 40 in particular, you will have opportunities to learn to use your energy more consciously, rather than having it take control of you, as it seems to be doing at present.

It's all part of the learning curve, Steph. You've entered a new stage in your soul's journey, and it may take a bit of getting used to.
(As you can tell, I am not a medical astrologer, but I generally use Chiron quite a lot, and I find astrology often provides useful insights into body-mind issues.)

[smilingsteph]

WOW-
The wealth of information you all have provided to me is so meaningful on many levels!
I feel validated

Carole-
I never mentioned my ears, but I have had two surgeries to put tubes in them when I was younger- blocked eustation tubes!
And yes I have had major colds and countless sinus infections which were just awful!
You hit the nail on the head there!
Neurobion- I will try that out.
I am having good luck also (in the case of sore muscles) with Glutamine. I started going and getting these smoothies after the gym. Well I realized that I was not feeling great if I didnt have one, as the next day I was sore than ever! The girl at the counter said it was because the shake I ordered had Glutamine in it. So I started those yesterday. After a 13 hour shift at work yesterday, this morning I dont feel nearly as wasted or as sore as I would have before! I think the Neurobion will help in addition to that.
Do you know where I can get that?

R4VEN-
A few things here:
Before my mother passed- I had the worst sciatica ever, to the point where I was considering surgery! I knew that surgery was not a good way to go, but the pain was so intense I was willing to do anything.
But then the pain started to slowly subside and then we got the call she was going into hospice. If it were not her call from hospice I would have had that surgery!
My mother passed
Now again the pain is there- just not as intense and more dull

I wonder if my body knew something was going to happen with my mom...because if I had that surgery I would have not been able to care for her like I did....

Now again I see that I did not fully balance out the: serving others, taking care of myself routine.
It seems that the universe dosent want me to be balanced and I feel at times as though I need to sacrifice myself for the bigger picture, one little me to take care of many. Now this is sort of scary because Neptune is coming so close to my ascendant.
But, being aware that I do this is good right? I do want to help others, but not necessarily sacrifice myself. This is a wierd thought. So many times I have been sick or again the back pain is so bad that I didnt rest enough. Then here I am again.

Being accident prone:
I was in a patients room yesterday and I was trying to organize the wires and tubes, well I ended up tripping over the IV pole and then the chair in the room. The family was very funny and they laughed and I laughed.
Then they were leaving and out at the front I was hurrying to get my things done, and I tripped over a chair again! They said "there you go tripping over things again."
Happens all of the time! How funny Jupiter and Mars, makes complete sense!


LionKing,
I do not drink enough water, I have been trying to start. I have this problem of drinking lots of coffee instead (spending lots of money for those fancy drinks!). Water is freeflowing, guess I might save some money if I switch to that! Good idea. I was reading that increasing the water in the diet can help replenish the fluid lost from a slipped disc. So good idea!

I know there are some things coming my way. I can actually feel it. Like when I was taking a small hike in the woods the other day I felt the energy from the surroudings almost telling me that things would be better. More spiritual I think. I felt it too when I left work yesterday. I saw the big bright moon and felt energized. The changing seasons always puts me in a great mood. The energies from the changing sun, moon, and trees is very welcoming!

Thanks you all!

[Lin]

Steph,
I think some of your troubles are caused by ...guess who? Yeah, you. YOu have some aspects which show that you don't like the word no....and it's the sign of the true rebel. "Don't tell ME I can't, " etc.

However, as a fellow Leo who actually fell in a similar way you did, only mine happened while gardening, I will tell you that it takes a LONG time to recover completely from that type of "invisible" injury. First, you don't really know if any particular activity will exacerbate the situation. This is a big problem for someone who is very active. You could be reinjuring yourself over and over because you have never allowed yourself to heal.

Second, I don't see any mention of chiropractic in your post. I don't think you can ever recover from the type of fall you took without chiropractic adjustments.
In my case the pain settled in my hip and I had to have acupuncture 3 times a week for several months, )along with 2 adjustments a week)....as the pain got worse while I slept and woke me up. I already have a sleep issue so it was murder!

Between my chiropractor and my orthopedist, they let me know the exact types of activities that were good and bad for the condition, and after about 4 years, and not reinjuring myself, the pain is mostly gone.

If you want to live happily in your body you need to validate that it needs love and care....and protection.
LIN

[smilingsteph]

Originally Posted by Lin

Steph,
I think some of your troubles are caused by ...guess who? Yeah, you. YOu have some aspects which show that you don't like the word no....and it's the sign of the true rebel. "Don't tell ME I can't, " etc.

However, as a fellow Leo who actually fell in a similar way you did, only mine happened while gardening, I will tell you that it takes a LONG time to recover completely from that type of "invisible" injury. First, you don't really know if any particular activity will exacerbate the situation. This is a big problem for someone who is very active. You could be reinjuring yourself over and over because you have never allowed yourself to heal.

Second, I don't see any mention of chiropractic in your post. I don't think you can ever recover from the type of fall you took without chiropractic adjustments.
In my case the pain settled in my hip and I had to have acupuncture 3 times a week for several months, )along with 2 adjustments a week)....as the pain got worse while I slept and woke me up. I already have a sleep issue so it was murder!

Between my chiropractor and my orthopedist, they let me know the exact types of activities that were good and bad for the condition, and after about 4 years, and not reinjuring myself, the pain is mostly gone.

If you want to live happily in your body you need to validate that it needs love and care....and protection.
LIN

Thanks Lin,
As always I love your replies.
I have gone in for massage, chakra cleansings and tunings. I do yoga, work with a trainer certified in corrective therapies and like you put it: it can hit one at anytime (pain that is).

My MD wont allow me to do chiropractic work until I get my new MRI. He says that the anatomy needs to be seen first so that the chiropractor knows what he is working on first. It could be more dangerous to work on my back only having my MRI last from 2004.

This is why this problem is so huge for me! I hate being told I cannot do something, so very true!
I have a hard time saying no.
Hard time balancing between doing something or not doing anything at all. So sometimes I choose not to do anything. Its all or nothing to me. Which finding balance is getting easier as I am getting older and allowing what I have learned during this Saturn return help me.

A rebel with a back problem, not a good combo

[Lin]

Dhundhun:
you said, "Chiropractic work is not in main stream. The places chiropractic work can help, yoga also can help. In condition is too bad, chiropractic work severely damage, so main stream treatment won't allow it."

I don't know where you live, but my insurance company has been paying for my Chiropractic care for over 25 years. It certainly IS mainstream.
Also, there are, like anything else, good and bad chiropractors.
Steph:
There's a relatively new type of Chiropractic called 'active release technique." It is sort of a "kinder, gentler" type of chiropractic. I have not had to use it as my MRI showed no damage, but you may want to look into it. Just put ACT or active release technique into your browser.
LIN

[smilingsteph]

Thank you all for your answers!

Dhundun-
I do agree with you as for a time and place for chiropractic work. In El Paso, where I lived a few months ago, they didnt like chiropractors at all. Now in the Pacific Northwest my insurance is willing to pay for multiple sessions. I think it has to do with mindset in different areas. Some MD's ridicule chiropractors, where others swear by it.
I have had a few adjustments in the past, and I didnt get much relief from them. Then again I would have the adjustment and feel great then need another a week later to get benefits.

Lin-
I just dont think one should argue if chiropractors work or not. It is like arguing whether traditional vs modern astrology is better. I think it is for some and not for others.
I am willing to do anything to prevent repeated issues with my back, therefore I am willing to try it. My MD is not thrilled with it, but he said it was my decision and he would not try to persuade me one way or another. Other than to see the anatomy issue more clearly.

Jerry-
Wow thank you for that insight. I guess I will continue to have problems forever? Is this something that goes away?

Thanks!

[freedomlover]

SmilingSteph,

Originally Posted by JerryRR

The L5-S1 area of the back may be to do with your finances.
The sign Libra is also connected with the Lumbar regions.
Leo/Aqu and Gemini combination may highlight the corticospinal tract.

Look after yourself,best wishes.

Jerry.

quoting SmilingSteph
I guess I will continue to have problems forever? Is this something that goes away?

I'm of the belief that emotional/energetic issues are at the root of pain. If you work with the emotional/energetic root, the physical condition will find a way to resolve, either by spontaneous healing ( I have had this happen) or the right treatment will make itself apparent.

If the areas JerryRR pointed out are the problem areas with you, then you know that Libra, Leo/Aquarius, and Gemini type issues are probably at the root of this. You might examine the houses and planets in your chart that deal with these areas and see what comes up in your belief system and old emotional wounds. Emotional/energetic imbalances are rooted in the belief in a lie/misjudgment of a situation/ person/ self.

FL

[Caro]

Hey
has anyone mentioned trying reflexology in this thread.
back problems often connected with family problems/work and jobs.
not diagnoising you but it sounds like sciatic nerve - which is very common.
reflexology may relieve pain.
not really an astro reply but concur that leo in 6th house cld be reason.
C

[smilingsteph]

I got my MRI back

Since the MRI in 2004-
I have worsening of my vertebral height, meaning that the space between the vertebra is shrinking. The disc is bulging worse, and is causing a narrowing in my spinal canal.
My MD said to go right away and have a spinal steroid injection.
I have decided to wait and use other therapies first.

Caro-
I agree this will be something I will look into. As my feet have been bothering me (I think diseases like back disease can lead to a breakdown in communications to the whole body), reflexology can help. Plus those pressure points are so unique to areas of the body. I thought of this the other day remembering my friend had it done through her entire pregnancy and it helped a lot! Thanks I will give it a go!

Jerry-
I guess I am not manifesting the stress I have endured over the year in the normal fashion. It seems to be manifesting from my body, as my issues with stress dont take on form of emotional representation.
Saturn plays with my emotions that is for sure!
I want to somehow bring the stress from my body into the form of emotion so it can better be released.

Thanks.
I cannot have this issue healed, but managed, yes, I think I can do that...

[Caro]

Glad it was useful - just a word of caution the pressure points will be very sensitive so tell them light touch to start with.

I heard there was a very successful op that they can do on this now. you may wish to check that out also. a friend of mine had a similar problem.