Where will I find the Wedding ring?

[lillyjgc]

This question was asked of me today. At first I thought it would be an easy one, but if there's anyone out there who can help me I'd be grateful. The ring belongs to a man in his sixties. He's been looking for about 5 weeks, he said. He's turned his house upside down.In desperation,he consulted me.
I'm going to post the chart and then begin my delineation in the next post. (I've been losing a few posts lately-server problems, I think).

[lillyjgc]

The querent is ruled by Saturn. Fixed sign Aquarius sits on the ascendant at 14.52 deg-so that meets the requirement of ascendant degree not being too early or too late.

The moon is not void of course. Saturn is not in the seventh. I believe the chart is radical.
The ring is ruled by Jupiter, as Pisces is on the cusp of house two, his possessions.
Jupiter is almost on top of him (the ascendant in this chart), and heading even closer. This suggests the ring is where it should be? Near to him?
The querent's ruler, Saturn is in the eighth house, about to be conjuncted by Mercury, who leaves a sextile to Venus, the natural ruler of possessions.Venus can also be a woman, and in this chart Venus rules H4-the home, or outcome and H9-which rules Churches among other things-

The moon is strong by being in Cancer, but not well placed in the fifth house. I wonder if the querent has children.Pars Fortuna is yet to oppose the moon.(in 9 somethings).The moon applies a conjunction to Venus, who is sextile the querent's ruler.As Venus rules the outcome (H4 cusp being Taurus),I see this a positive testimony of recovery.
The interesting thing is, the querent Saturn, and the ring, Jupiter,are almost exactly quincunx. Does this mean, he just can't see the ring, even though it is closeby? It might be high up as Jupiter is literally rising in an air sign.With pisces on the H2 cusp could it be in a place where water or the colour blue is present?
If anyone can help me out here, I'd be grateful.
Thanks
Lillyjgc.

[fensi88]

He will sure find it, rule rof 2nd is rx.
First look near glass stuff, photographic equipment, near tobacco, alcohol or medicine stuff. - The significator for the missing item angular house shows that it is near its owner, and suggests a quick recovery. Ruler in fixed signs indicate low places, near the earth, well hidden, or on level ground. Humane signs (Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Aquarius) indicate that the lost object will be found in a place frequented by people -such as the home, rather than outside in a secluded area.
It can be in or near a built-in device or equipment, a shelf or a closet that is not part of the house, near electrical appliances, radios, televisions, computers, in a TV room with stereo equipment, near a telephone area, close to a meter panel or fuse box, close to a light in a room that has been remodeled or modernized, an additional room with modern furniture, part of the house that was in the original structure, in rooms upstairs, near a drafty window, planning or drafting room or a room with barely comfortable furniture.
Ruler in 1st house means it is where he put it . Look at place where quarent spends the most time, also the entry hall, front porch, front door and windows of a house. Look in quarent's wearing things also.

Direction: east
Near colour:red, blue, infigo

I hope you cast chart with day formula for POF and its placement in 11 house near Pl suggest to look near junk items with no value, garbage. A friend may have seen it or put it someplace. Places where the querent hopes or wishes to be. Look also in the guest room. Look in dark corners near the floor, low, dark places, near thresholds and boundaries. Look at business areas or near some potted plant.
Check out in a basement, disorderly room, rooms with leather or plastic accessories or furnishings, room with old worn furniture or sparsely furnished, a room where an old person stays, near a refrigerator or freezer, dark places that are hard to reach, a shelf where there are ceramics, next to an air conditioner, places where wood is stored, a corner.

Direction: South by East
Near colour: black, gray, brown

[lillyjgc]

Thankyou very much fensi88..This is very helpful.Yes I did use day formula for pars fortuna. I wondered how to read its upcoming opposition to the moon though.
He does believe the ring to be in his house. Neptune's placement in H1 suggested to me he may have forgotten where he put it.
I'll advise him to look in the places you have suggested.
Again, thankyou.
Cheers
Lillyjgc.

[lillyjgc]

Ok. I have informed the querent to keep looking!Now I am wondering if this chart shows a time frame for recovery:

Saturn, his sig and Jupiter-the ring are closely quincunx-no applying aspect.
The moon will sextile his ruler in 11 somethings (could be days) but the moon will quincunx the ruler of the ring.
While writing this, the guy texted me to say he wants to find the ring to have it melted down to make a small elephant.
Now I see why Jupiter is ruling the ring! Jupiter definitely rules elephants!!!
Using modern rulers again for a sec, the ring might be damaged as jupiter is in Saturn's sign but if it's to be reworked that doesn't matter.
Anyone want to have a stab at timing in this chart?
Cheers
lillyjgc

[fensi88]

Maybe for 7 days (Ju rx conjunct ASC).

[Niplan]

I dont think the ring will be found,
jupiter is in determent, afflicted by mars, in Mar's terms, Has no application to the moon, POF is applying sextile from the 12th capricorn, as well is seperating square from saturn. The moon is cadent, as well aspecting an infortunate indications of it being stolen.
Sun is setting and moon below the earth, not good for recovery,


consider venus as its jewlery,


may be damaged,

was lost maybe due to drinking, gambiling, or a woman.

two signifigators in cancer, heavy water influance, saturn and mercury together in virgo, place frequented and recently re-organized, either an upstairs drain or a basement drain

=O it was droped down a sink! he took it off to wash his hands or clean something, and left it, or droped it himself, or a woman droped it down the drain.

[lillyjgc]

niplan, thankyou for your contribution.

just a few points : jupiter is very strong by angular position, and helpful for recovery by being retrograde. The aspect from mars is a separating one, but a trine aspect.I would say that describes the guy looking for the ring for the last few weeks.
Mars is the planet here that connects the querent to the ring.

jupiter is in determent,

Jupiter has no dignity by being in aquarius, but is not in detriment.
It does have accidental dignity by being in H1 and in terms of recovery, being retrograde is helpful esp as it moves toward the Asc without impediment.
Literally, it *comes to light*, but without any help from the querent possibly who is quincunx the ring.

...was lost maybe due to drinking, gambiling, or a woman.

Not this guy, his significator is Saturn. He's just not that kind of guy.
Now Mars also squared his ruler 3 *somethings* ago and it trined the ring 3 *somethings ago*, which I see as suggesting that an obstacle was created in the past between him and the ring.The ruler of that house in which Mars, the linking factor, resides, is Mercury-about to connect with his ruler.

two signifigators in cancer, heavy water influance, saturn and mercury together in virgo, place frequented and recently re-organized, either an upstairs drain or a basement drain

I'm not sure which 2 significators you mean..I see the moon, in cancer, representing the querent and what is to happen.but The guy's sig is Saturn and the ring's sig is jupiter, so I'm not sure what you mean by a heavy water influence.
The ring's sig. is in a fixed air sign-aqu, suggesting to me its in a fixed place, its usual place,in the kinds of environs Fensi described above.It is the querent who is mutable, but in the house of loss, where you might expect to find him, but about to receive a hit from Mercury, which will then go on to square mars.I don't know if this helps or hinders the situation.

He didn't wear the ring btw so that more or less eliminates the likelihood of him taking it off to wash his hands, garden etc..It was a ring he kept as a memento.
If the ring had been dropped down a drain or something like that, I'd expect to see its sig. in h8 but the ring's sig is very well placed.

The lack of aspect between the two major sigs looks like a negative testimony to me, but the moon's impending conjunction to venus then sextile the querent, could be a positive testimony for recovery.
The moon will sextile his ruler in 11 somethings.that looks like a possible opportunity, but a sextile is not always enough.I'm wondering if a female house cleaner might find it...looking at his sixth house of such things and seeing venus there with the moon yet to conjunct her...Venus also applies a sextile to his ruler and a trine to Uranus in the house of possessions.

So I will be very interested in the developments on this question.
Again, thanks
Lillyjgc

[Niplan]

jupiter is trine mars, mars is in gemini, jupiter's fall is in gemini.

You can't make assumptions just because you "know the queerant"

you are only suposed to use classical aspects in horary,

Semisextile, sextile, Trine, square and opposition,

Additional i use whole sign.

moon and venus conjuncting in cancer, Cancer can be used to locate the object, since that is the sign of the moon, lilly states that objects of jewlery can also be located by examinng venus. venus is also the indicator that it was lost due to a woman or gambiling as venus is conjuncting moon.'

also representing water, large areas of water. Saturn in virgo representing dark dirty places. and mercury and saturn together show it was forgetfulness

mars is a malefic, that trine to jupiter is not helping, not only is it bring jupiter to determint, he is also strong, and afflicting jupiter badly, also saturn is applying to jupiter through contra/antisica via a sqaure, saturn also a maleific affecting the signfigator.

Just because the sig is retro and in the first house doesn't mean all happy unicorns craping ranbows.

furthermore, according to lily, retrograde is a -5 to the accidental dignity score.

the ONLY good thing jupiter has is its angular.

[Niplan]

Lilly on how retrograde is good;
Besides, usually when the Moon applies to a good aspect of a Retrograde Planet, it brings the matter to an end one way or another speedily, and when least suspected: and it’s a generall Maxime in such like cases, if the Moon apply to the Fortunes, or by good aspect to any Planet or Planets in Angles, then there is reason we hope well, etc.

-the moon is not applying to jupiter (even with those huge inacurate orbs astro likes to use)

Lilly with a ship
"and if the Lord of the Ascendant have no other impediments than Retrogradation, there will be no losse by the returne of it; but if to Retrogradation some other misfortune happen, the Ship returnes to amend something amisse, and was also in danger."


-mars and saturn afflicting jupiter




more...

" We understand a Planet to be ill disposed, when Peregrine, Retrograde, Combust, Cadent, from the Ascendant or house of the thing demanded, so that he beholds not the house, or at least the Lord of the house, in this nature the aspect to the house is better than to the Lord thereof; so any Planet in his Fall or Detriment, may properly be called Destroyer or Obstructor, or Planet impediting."


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and with that last one, saturn is applying though antisica, Saturn is the destroyer, impeeder.

[eedwards]

Hi LillJGC!

I must be having issues with my browser because I can't see the chart that everyone is referring to. Could you let me know the the date, time, etc. so I can run the chart locally? I would like to take a look. Thanks!

[eedwards]

I just got a chance to look at the chart and will probably be repeating a lot of what has already been said. I apologize in advance and will try to avoid this.

The rings, (Jupiter - ruler of 2nd house), last aspect was an opposition to the Sun, (ruler of his 7th). Is it possible that someone else was in possession of the ring? The ring is now close to the querent and where it should be, (1st house), where he normally keeps his possessions and spends most of his time. The ring will be found quickly as it's in an angular house and is Rx.

Location:East.
Colors: Blue or Silver

Jupiter is in Aquarius. The ring is located higher up in a room. Most likely around electronic equipment, (computers, telephones, televisions). Also close to windows or open spaces, (I have also seen lost objects in Aquarius found close to pictures\paintings of open spaces or technology related scenes).

Taurus lies in the 4th house,(descriptive of the objects surroundings and end of matter), and is ruled by Venus. This is very telling. The object is where he keeps his valuables, or near things of beauty, (other jewelry, clothing, etc.). Possibly in a pocket. It could also be located in a closet.

Direction: South by East
Colors: Yellow and White

Fensi described the POF and its significance extremely well so I will avoid repeating the information.

The Moon will conjunct Venus, (ruler of the 4th and jewelry) and then sextile Saturn, (the querent). This is a clear indication of the object being found or "brought to light."

I believe that someone discovered the ring and placed it back where they thought it belonged. Or the querent showed the ring to another person and absentmindedly, (separating conjunction of the ring - Jupiter and Neptune in the 1st house),placed it back among his other jewelry or valuables. In either case it was in the hands of another person. The ring may have been overlooked but is definitely within the home.

I hope this helps!