Will he leave his wife for my friend?

[SagiCap]

Hello Everyone,

I am hoping you gifted astrologers out there can help my very dear friend with a predicament today that is causing a lot of hurt and anger.

She lives in Canada and is involved with a man in Europe whom she met through business. He is married but says he is in love with her and in the process of leaving his wife. He has a child with the wife. He says that he considers himself separated and that the wife and him are broken up and not interested in resolving things and are in fact, sleeping in separate parts of the house.

My friend hasn't really doubted him and feels he is sincere when he tells her he loves her. He has made efforts to visit often, etc,.. He is a Virgo. She is an Aries, natally.

The problem is that he told her he would leave and end all ties with his wife by September 09. They have a large house together and he says this is his main concern. Selling the house is proving difficult in these times and he says this is the major roadblock to them moving on in their divorce. He is also trying to sell his business in Europe, he says and has made some efforts in that department. He's worried about bankruptcy and money issues as well if he doesn't get a good deal on his assets. He has said he'd move to her country, Canada. So far, he has given every sincere indication that he is detached from the marriage, separated emotionally and that he is completely head-over-heels in love with her enough to uproot his life.

Today, she asked him to take a photo of himself and send it to her. He had always said he takes off his wedding ring. In the photo, however, he had it on. This is making her question everything she thought was truth.

If anyone could please help her out, I hate to see her so tortured and upset about this. The question she asked at the time of the chart, which I noted, was: "Will he leave his wife within 3 months?" She also wants to know if he loves her.

She asked me the question at the time noted on the chart - and I just drew up the chart and posted for her. I'm not sure who gets which house.

Thank you so much for any help you can offer.

[Thread moved to Greenhorns Horary Board for lack of interpretation. Moderator]

[dreamtimez]

Originally Posted by SagiCap

She asked me the question at the time noted on the chart - and I just drew up the chart and posted for her. I'm not sure who gets which house.

I will take a look. Since the question is Will he leave his wife within 3 months? ... he gets the first house i.e. Mars and his wife gets the seventh i.e. Venus and your friend gets the Moon.

[starlink]

Hi girls, I think we must see this differently.

She (the girlfriend)asked me the question at the time

Dreamtimez, Sagicap's girlfriend asked the question. Sagi only draw up the chart and has nothing to do in this question anymore. If Sagi had asked the question, without her friend knowing this, then Sagi would be 1st house and 11th house her friend and the 5th house the husband of the friend.

So the first house goes to her + the Moon, the 7th to him. She is Mars, he is Venus.

But we want to look at his wife as well. The wife could get Saturn, often seen as the deserted wife in horary.

Because the question is heavily on what happens between him and his wife, we have to see what Venus will do with Saturn.
As you can see, Venus passed the square (troubles) to Saturn who is in the 4th house, his home, also the end of the marriage.

Both Venus and Mars are ruled by Mercury who rules the end of the marriage (his 4th house) so you could almost say that Venus and Mars are causing the end of the marriage, and we see that in that house there is also Saturn, a malific.

Mercury is going to oppose Jupiter which could show the financial problems. , then sextile Venus which is very fortunate. Mercury is also in term of Jupiter, so the marriage is connected to finances. But the marriage is stuck (intercepted Mercury) due to these finances.

He(Venus) is caught up in his 2nd house, thinking about finances, clearly and soon to oppose Pluto in his 8th (other peoples money, transformation issues etc.) which could mean that he will go through a total change, also involving money, maybe even bankruptcy which is very much a Pluto thing.

Pluto cannot be taken as the ruler of the Ascendant, but some modern astrologer do. In that case it shows a definite rupture between him and her.

In traditional astr. Pluto cannot be taken as ruler of a house, so we see him as a sudden, strong transformation, change.

So he is Venus, VOC (does not really know what to do anymore) and in 3 degrees enters a new sign Cancer, ruled by the querents co-significator, so as far as I can see, he will enter into the girlfriends rulership. Venus is also in term of Mars, yes, he loves her.

Moon (her),who is in term of Venus,(him) will sextile Saturn (her 3rd house ruler) and maybe she will contact him in two weeks or month. Moon is not very fast in Scorpio, a fixed sign and cadent.
After that Moon will trine Venus who will still be in Gemini, so it is technically not a valid trine in traditional astrology, but the Moon's orb is 12° so I see this as an ingoing trine. She and he could therefore get together if you ask me.

Now will he leave his wife? He has already left her (Venus passed the square to Saturn). Will he divorce her? Mars is the planet of divorce and is in his 1st house, so I think he is planning divorce, but Venus is outgoing Mars, so maybe he thought about it but at the moment he might not be able to or does not want to. Mars however will square Saturn, so divorce could hit his wife if we look at it from this perspective, in 7 weeks which is a bit over 3 month.

I have no idea if I did this horary the right way and wished someone else, like Archer Girl could look at this. Maybe Sagicap can PM her and ask if she could have a look at this? I also like to be corrected when I go wrong

Cheers,Starlink

[starlink]

Oh, another thing. The photo could have been from a while back maybe when he still wore his ring?

[smilingsteph]

I always play Devils advocate so I hope not to offend anyone, but (there is always a but with me)
Even if he were to leave his wife, who is to say that he will leave for your friend?
I had a friend sort of in the same boat, he was supposed to leave his wife and be with her, when he just wanted to be a party guy and not be in a relationship with anyone. So both the wife and the girlfriend were left out in the cold.

Now if he already left his wife, he could technically still be living with her and married. It could be a mental detachment.

I think that the ring is a biggie to your friend, but he might wear it because sometimes if he is into a large business, people that are married are more trusted (I was looking at a poll the otherday) because marriage is difficult to stay in these days, those that do are seen as more stable, sincere and trusting. So some sport wedding bands for work, or it was an old picture.

Your poor friend. I really hope the best turns out for her and the wife at home with the child. Really I mostly worry about the child. I think divorce is so hard on a child.

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by starlink

Hi girls, I think we must see this differently.



Dreamtimez, Sagicap's girlfriend asked the question. Sagi only draw up the chart and has nothing to do in this question anymore. If Sagi had asked the question, without her friend knowing this, then Sagi would be 1st house and 11th house her friend and the 5th house the husband of the friend.

So the first house goes to her + the Moon, the 7th to him. She is Mars, he is Venus.

But we want to look at his wife as well. The wife could get Saturn, often seen as the deserted wife in horary.

Because the question is heavily on what happens between him and his wife, we have to see what Venus will do with Saturn.
As you can see, Venus passed the square (troubles) to Saturn who is in the 4th house, his home, also the end of the marriage.

Both Venus and Mars are ruled by Mercury who rules the end of the marriage (his 4th house) so you could almost say that Venus and Mars are causing the end of the marriage, and we see that in that house there is also Saturn, a malific.

Mercury is going to oppose Jupiter which could show the financial problems. , then sextile Venus which is very fortunate. Mercury is also in term of Jupiter, so the marriage is connected to finances. But the marriage is stuck (intercepted Mercury) due to these finances.

He(Venus) is caught up in his 2nd house, thinking about finances, clearly and soon to oppose Pluto in his 8th (other peoples money, transformation issues etc.) which could mean that he will go through a total change, also involving money, maybe even bankruptcy which is very much a Pluto thing.

Pluto cannot be taken as the ruler of the Ascendant, but some modern astrologer do. In that case it shows a definite rupture between him and her.

In traditional astr. Pluto cannot be taken as ruler of a house, so we see him as a sudden, strong transformation, change.

So he is Venus, VOC (does not really know what to do anymore) and in 3 degrees enters a new sign Cancer, ruled by the querents co-significator, so as far as I can see, he will enter into the girlfriends rulership. Venus is also in term of Mars, yes, he loves her.

Moon (her),who is in term of Venus,(him) will sextile Saturn (her 3rd house ruler) and maybe she will contact him in two weeks or month. Moon is not very fast in Scorpio, a fixed sign and cadent.
After that Moon will trine Venus who will still be in Gemini, so it is technically not a valid trine in traditional astrology, but the Moon's orb is 12° so I see this as an ingoing trine. She and he could therefore get together if you ask me.

Now will he leave his wife? He has already left her (Venus passed the square to Saturn). Will he divorce her? Mars is the planet of divorce and is in his 1st house, so I think he is planning divorce, but Venus is outgoing Mars, so maybe he thought about it but at the moment he might not be able to or does not want to. Mars however will square Saturn, so divorce could hit his wife if we look at it from this perspective, in 7 weeks which is a bit over 3 month.

I have no idea if I did this horary the right way and wished someone else, like Archer Girl could look at this. Maybe Sagicap can PM her and ask if she could have a look at this? I also like to be corrected when I go wrong

Cheers,Starlink

Starlink! Wonderful! Thank you soooo much for looking at this. I was hoping you'd be the one to answer. I really appreciate your insights. I will do as you suggest and PM Archer Girl as well.

PS: From everything I know about the situation, the details are all correct. My own intuition too was that he loves her and will leave. THANK YOU AGAIN!

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

I always play Devils advocate so I hope not to offend anyone

Agreed. I do the same. It's a good balance check in life in general.

Yes, I empathize with the child so much. My own child is a product of divorce, so I understand. But from what I hear, the home life is not so good for him right now with his parents at odds. It's sad.

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

I always play Devils advocate so I hope not to offend anyone, but (there is always a but with me)
Even if he were to leave his wife, who is to say that he will leave for your friend?

No offence taken at all. I understand and share your logic, believe me, but I can't answer for her.

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

I think that the ring is a biggie to your friend, but he might wear it because sometimes if he is into a large business, people that are married are more trusted (I was looking at a poll the otherday) because marriage is difficult to stay in these days, those that do are seen as more stable, sincere and trusting. So some sport wedding bands for work, or it was an old picture.

You're right. That's what he said. He actually said they were taking a company portrait, something like that and the photographer told him to put it on?? That doesn't strike me as true for some reason...

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

Your poor friend. I really hope the best turns out for her and the wife at home with the child. Really I mostly worry about the child. I think divorce is so hard on a child.

I really think that getting into this situation - and deciding to pursue a relationship with these limitations, one must be very accepting of the circumstances that happen later...But yes, I feel for everone in this scenario. I have been cheated on, left that marriage and decided to raise and nurture a child of divorce.

Thank you for your input, Steph.

[smilingsteph]

Sagi-
I do question the photog's advice to put the ring on...come on, who is going to tell someone who dosent know is married to go and get the ring for the portrait?
Weird.

I think if it seems fishy it is....

I think you are a very wonderful friend. To put yourself aside and help her. I would have played devils advocate with her too, Lol.

I do think that sometimes a situation for children may be worse to stay in rather then making it a little worse for a while to have a better future.
I had parents that faught all of the time and I wanted them so badly to leave eachother.

[starlink]

He actually said they were taking a company portrait, something like that and the photographer told him to put it on?? That doesn't strike me as true for some reason...

It does sound strange, but if it was a picture of him alone, than OK, I think it is possible.
For a moment I thought that "company photo" was a picture of all the collegues + him and in that case it would have been fishy.

[QUOTE by SSteph]I do think that sometimes a situation for children may be worse to stay in rather then making it a little worse for a while to have a better future.
I had parents that faught all of the time and I wanted them so badly to leave eachother. [/QUOTE]
STeph, you are absolutely right. My kids were totally relieved when I divorced. They were quite old already and could express themselves about it. Smaller kids will react a bit different I think, but ultimately I also believe that no more bickering around them will be much more beneficial.

[SagiCap]

Update: He said he made up the story about the ring. There was no photographer/pr person, telling him to put it on.

He admitted he keeps it at work, put it on to help him "think" and that it makes him comfortable sometimes.

My friend is mad. I don't know what to make of it. He is supposed to be not living with the wife and separated.

[smilingsteph]

Originally Posted by SagiCap

Update: He said he made up the story about the ring. There was no photographer/pr person, telling him to put it on.

He admitted he keeps it at work, put it on to help him "think" and that it makes him comfortable sometimes.

My friend is mad. I don't know what to make of it. He is supposed to be not living with the wife and separated.

Your poor friend! I am sorry if I am out of place saying this, but one lie leads to another and another...

Who would put a ring that signified such a horrible marriage (if it indeed was or is) to think about it, mull things over? That makes no sense!

Usually people keep articles of things that remind them of the other person to comfort themselves.

Or they keep them on because they are still married and this guy is keeping your friend hanging!

She needs to go out and have fun! Until that wishywashy guy can make up his mind about things. Then at least in the meantime she can maybe meet someone else.

[starlink]

Oh man, what a guy he is and what a sharp eye she had, seeing that ring on his finger in the picture. Steph is right, she should just start looking around, not staying focussed. Men have far greater trouble leaving their wives, no matter how much they hate staying with them, then the other way around. Women are braver in this respect. I hope things will work out OK with her, but it might need longer than just 3 month. the Moon will inconjunct Venus so that shows in this case the imbalance between her and him and the need for putting things straight and into balance.
So she talked to him then. Good for her.