Will I ever conceive?

[priprasad]

Hi,

I am married for 3 yrs, and yet to conceive.. I would be great if someone can truly let me know what my stars say! Do I have any signs of having children in my astrological chart?
DOB : 28th Dec, 1980. Place : Chennai, Tamilnadu, INDIA, Time : 00:10 AM.

My chart :

Priya Sex F
Chennai 0 India 28/12/1980 00:10 - Julian day 2444601.28
Adjust -5.30 ST 6.27 Lat 13.05 Long -80.17

Planet

Aspect

Planet

Orb/Value

Sun
Conjunction
Mercury

2.06

569

Sun
Square
Jupiter

2.59

-75

Sun
Square
Saturn

3.10

-86

Sun
Square
Ascendant

0.25

-93

Moon
Trine
Mars

7.51

4

Moon
Square
Neptune

3.13

-51

Mercury
Square
Jupiter

5.05

-20

Mercury
Square
Saturn

5.15

-19

Mercury
Square
Ascendant

2.31

-46

Venus
Sextile
Jupiter

2.42

111

Venus
Sextile
Saturn

2.31

142

Mars
Sextile
Uranus

0.39

203

Mars
Square
Pluto

3.27

-39

Jupiter
Conjunction
Saturn

0.10

460

Jupiter
Conjunction
Ascendant

2.34

149

Saturn
Conjunction
Ascendant

2.44

151

Neptune
Sextile
Pluto

1.11

46

1835

-429

1406

Sun
in
IV
Moon
in
XII
Mercury
in
III
Venus
in
III
Mars
in
IV
Jupiter
in
Ascendant
Saturn
in
Ascendant
Uranus
in
II
Neptune
in
III
Pluto
in
Ascendant
Lilith
in
Ascendant
Asc node
in
XI

Signs masculine

5

Signs of fire

2

Signs feminine

5

Signs of earth

4

Signs cardinals

6

Signs of air

3

Signs fixed

1

Signs of water

1

Signs mutable

3

Chiron
Taurus

13.53 R

Ceres
Cancer

24.29 R

Pallas
Aries

16.23

Juno
Scorpio

0.30

Vesta
Virgo

12.38

Fortune
Capricorn

23.06

South node
Aquarius

11.18

Thanks for any help..

Regards,
Priya.

[this thread was moved to the Greenhorns Lounge for lack of own interpretation. Moderator]

[astrologer50]

This is prob best asked by a Horary chart in thier GLounge...Plus you need to post a chart as we are ALL visual people

Failing that here are some links that may assist your research

Go to Astro.com, Astro.com, Extended Chart Selection, Special Charts, Lunar Phases Fertility Calendar. Fertile days will be marked in red. I hope this helps.


http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15096

Pregnancy & transits thread..
The asteroid "child" 4580
On the Extended Chart Selection page, go right to the bottom and below were you select the Additional Objects (black heading) there is a box that you need to type "4580" (next to the box it reads "additional asteroids").

member called Miss Saturn has a book/theory on how many marriages and children you might have on this thread…
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2013
http://books.google.com/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA29&dq=carol+predictive+ astrology+natal+marriage&ei=cgY9StL4L4XuzASuzMC6BQ

[lillyjgc]

Priprasad,
Welcome to the Forum. Obviously you cant post your chart until you have posted 3 times (I believe thats the case?)
I tried to draw up your chart for you but don't have the coordinates for your place of birth.This type of question can of course quite properly be answered by your natal chart. No need to re post in the horary section.
I'll have a go at finding the co-ords tomorrow, if you are okay about having your chart posted up.
Cheers
Lilly

[balu]

I have gone through your chart as per the data that you have provided. One abortion is indicated first and after that you will have one child.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by balu

I have gone through your chart as per the data that you have provided. One abortion is indicated first and after that you will have one child.

Kindly explain astrologically how you have arrived at this conclusion? personally I think it's pretty irresponsible to advise someone of this kind of information

[katydid]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Kindly explain astrologically how you have arrived at this conclusion? personally I think it's pretty irresponsible to advise someone of this kind of information

I was thinking the same thing here, but I am wondering if maybe it is a translation error, and they meant to say there may be a miscarriage possibility, before a successful birth.

[starlink]

there may be a miscarriage possibility, before a successful birth.

I also hope this was meant by it Balu, otherwise this is certainly not the type of information you would ever give to a client! I am sure that Priprasad, after having tried for 3 years to get pregnant, she certainly would not abort a child.

One abortion is indicated first and after that you will have one child

.Indeed, how do you get to this information? I will upload the chart. It is done with Chennai as birthplace.

[balu]

I meant that there is a 99% probability of a miscarriage the first time she becomes pregnant. I have followed the ancient system of vedic astrology prophesised by Sage Varahamihira. The fifth lord saturn, himself a eunuch is not capable of providing progeny by himself and only when he associates with benefics, he is capable of providng progeny. Here, saturn has landed in the ninth house from fifth and before doing so he crossed the north node which indicates loss of progeny during pregnancy. However, he is with jupiter which indicates forbearance of a child.

[balu]

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[lillyjgc]

Priprasad:
Re your pm request:

The rulers of your fifth, Saturn and Jupiter, are in your first. That's positive for fertility. However the sun squares them both. The sun is the natural ruler of children and of health.You have Leo in your eleventh house-literally the fifth house of your marriage partner. From this I suspect your partner may be an impediment to conception..Maybe he has a low sperm count.The squares are obstacles to conception, not preventions, so I am tempted to agree with Balu's finding of one loss (saturn) and one success (jupiter).(BTW *spontaneous abortion* is the correct medical term for miscarriage).
The husbands chart can shed more light on this too.
Cheers
Lillyjgc

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by balu

I meant that there is a 99% probability of a miscarriage the first time she becomes pregnant. I have followed the ancient system of vedic astrology prophesised by Sage Varahamihira. The fifth lord saturn, himself a eunuch is not capable of providing progeny by himself and only when he associates with benefics, he is capable of providng progeny. Here, saturn has landed in the ninth house from fifth and before doing so he crossed the north node which indicates loss of progeny during pregnancy. However, he is with jupiter which indicates forbearance of a child.

I think this is incredibly irresponsible and cruel making statements like this when someone is desparate to conceive How on earth can you make the same statements for two completely different people with different charts in GL

The stress and worry you put this person under when they do conceive is disgusting, worrying every day will my baby die....

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by balu

I meant that there is a 99% probability of a miscarriage the first time she becomes pregnant. I have followed the ancient system of vedic astrology prophesised by Sage Varahamihira. The fifth lord saturn, himself a eunuch is not capable of providing progeny by himself and only when he associates with benefics, he is capable of providng progeny. Here, saturn has landed in the ninth house from fifth and before doing so he crossed the north node which indicates loss of progeny during pregnancy. However, he is with jupiter which indicates forbearance of a child.

There is NOTHING 99% probability in Astrology, and even if this was the case it's totally irresponsible and cruel!! She may have already had a miscarriage and not even known about it, maybe just a few days old and lost it, but to live with the thought now for the rest of her childbearing days, even when she does get pregnant is very cruel, wondering if this one will misscarry or go full term.

Lillyj uses Traditional astrology rules for determining her post, but I don't agree with those either, cos I'm a modern astrologer that uses Equal house and different rules, for example I do use the outer planets Uranus Neptune and Pluto whereas Traditional astrologers don't

[Kerrie]

I agree I cant believe someone would say this, I hope one of the moderators corrects this.

[balu]

well, each of us are here to learn astrology and also believe in astrology. There is nothing personal between me and any of the forum members. If you have any other prediction where the judgement is based on the study of the chart, it would be a welcome feature. I try to be unbiased and am totally devoid of feelings when i am making a prediction based on what i understand about the subject of astrology.

[Mercury]

I would say that giving a hard clear prediction is what we should do in astrology. However I agree with some of the other people here it should not be done on a public forum.

All this **** about peace and love though? If I want peace and love I go find some pretty Venus or Handsome Mars and smoke a Neptunian joint,

Astrology is about finding concrete and timed answers, but on a public forum???

I need to chill out hey, opininionated and jumped up Mercury that I am.

[priprasad]

Hi Balu,

While I sincerely appreciate your replying to my query, I dont understand how you can post the same message 'One abortion is indicated first and after that you will have one child' to two different members. I saw you posting the same message for other member 'priya10'. May be you got confused by both of us named 'Priya'. Do clarify if you wish to do so. Thanks anyways!

Hi astrologer50, lillyjgc, Kerrie, starlink, katydid,

Thanks to all of you for your postings and humble replies.. I suppose, this is one forum where I sincerely feel people are genuine and humane. Thanks a bunch!

[balu]

HI Priprasad,

I have cast the natal charts of both of you and studied them separately, but somehow found the same issue in both the charts. It may be a mere coincidence or Gods plan. The truth is that the other person is born on Februay,7 ,1975 and you are born on 28.12.1980. the other person has posted her query in novemer,2006 and you have posted it as early as 10 days ago. These are two different charts and two different people and two different predictions for a similar kind of problem. You would do well to read my entire posts in both cases and you will understand how that goes. Best wishes.

[priprasad]

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[priprasad]

Hi All,

I have attached my natal chart.. This has info on 4580 Child..I dont understand what it means..and It would be great if someone can look at it and make an interpretation..

Thanks in advance!

[starlink]

I would say that giving a hard clear prediction is what we should do in astrology.

No Mercury, this is not at all what we should do. A clear prediction maybe about the fact that you might move house or win the lottery( if you are at all able to predict that sort of thing) but most certainly not a prediction about anything upsetting. When you see that, you either keep quiet about it or you say in a very careful way that maybe something less fortunate could happen in the next whatever years but that you cannot say what it is. A bit tact and sensitivity is of utmost importance in order not to upset the client. We are here to help people, not to upset them.


Balu, Priprasad said this to you:

I dont understand how you can post the same message 'One abortion is indicated first and after that you will have one child' to two different members. I saw you posting the same message for other member 'priya10'. May be you got confused by both of us named 'Priya'.

I noticed the exact same thing and this allerts me even more about your predictions, sorry to say. It is very unlikely that you tell two women the exact same thing.

It may be a mere coincidence or Gods plan

Sorry Balu, but I dont give these testimonies much credibitity to be honest.

Starlink

[starlink]

Priprasad, your 5th house is ruled by Uranus modernly and Saturn traditionally. I look at both. Saturn is exalted in Libra is very fortunate and conjunct Jupiter could mean more than one child. Saturn and Jupiter are in exact same degree and both in term of Venus, your Ascendant ruler, another testimony that you can have children.

Uranus is placed in a watersign which means you are fertile, in term of Saturn which can cause delay and in face of Venus, again your Asc. ruler.
Uranus sextiles Mars in Capricorn, the ruler of your house of partnership. Mars is exalted in Capricorn, in other words strong as well as angular. So I dont think it is due to your partners weak sperm. I think it has more to do with your subconscious fear that you might not be able to become pregnant. Venus rules your 8th house of sexual matter modernly, Saturn rules it traditionally. Saturn and Venus sextile one another. A combination of Venus and Saturn is never really a friendly thing and therefore I think that maybe you feel psychologically pressured into conceiving by the family (Saturn also rules your 4th). Also the Venus square Moon in your 12th gives me this feeling.You are just not relaxed enough in order to conceive easily.

I dont see a miscarriage. Saturn does not aspect Uranus . With miscarriages I have seen Uranus squaring the ruler of the 5th or being in the 5th. Saturn sextiles Venus and the North Node. Uranus only sextiles Mars. I dont see anything disruptive. I have a Mars -Uranus (Mars in my 5th) sextile and have two children. Never a miscarriage.

[lillyjgc]

Hi all,

Mars is exalted in Capricorn, in other words strong as well as angular. So I dont think it is due to your partners weak sperm.

Just to clarify on this: In the composite chart, the couples fifth house is ruled by Mars (scorpio) and Mars is located in the eighth house, in pisces opposite the north node and jupiter.
In the husbands natal, the 2 rulers of his fifth are sun and mercury.Saturn and the node are in the husbands fifth. The co-ruler of the husbands fifth is Mercury. Mercury also rules h6-his illnesses and mercury is conjunct mars in his twelfth.
This is what led me to conclude the partners sperm might not be strong. The presence of Saturn in h5 certainly can delay conception.Transiting Saturn in the same sign may have also caused further delays.
The husbands mars (his virility) is in aries-but in the twelfth, squared by the moon and fortuna.

I think it has more to do with your subconscious fear that you might not be able to become pregnant. Venus rules your 8th house of sexual matter modernly, Saturn rules it traditionally. Saturn and Venus sextile one another. A combination of Venus and Saturn is never really a friendly thing and therefore I think that maybe you feel psychologically pressured into conceiving by the family (Saturn also rules your 4th).

Interesting. Is this a possibility? Chiron is in Venus's sign in the eighth square the north node in Leo. Venus is trine the north node, which suggests to me a degree of success is possible. What strikes me MOST about this chart is the lack of water element.Plenty of earth but no water.To grow anything at all the right environment must be there..water element is the most fertile.Uranus in scorpio is the only one.
The husband fares slightly better here, having uranus in scorpio and venus in pisces.

Also the Venus square Moon in your 12th gives me this feeling.You are just not relaxed enough in order to conceive easily.

So Star, you are saying the problem is basically psychological rather than physiological? 3 years is quite a long time.Basically I've never heard that sperm and eggs could only get together in a relaxed environment.
Saturn is usually the planet associated with fear, but in this case Sat is in house one in Libra-it is square both the sun and mercury though, which is where fear could come into it. Virgo moon could be a bit fearful.However, the biological reality is if the sperm and eggs are getting together *something should be connecting there*, unless there's a medical impediment.
I got the impression our friend here is very keen to bear a child, although I think many of us can recount anecdotes of people who tried and tried and then gave up and adopted, only to then fall pregnant easily.(nature can be perverse like that).

I dont see a miscarriage. Saturn does not aspect Uranus . With miscarriages I have seen Uranus squaring the ruler of the 5th or being in the 5th. Saturn sextiles Venus and the North Node. Uranus only sextiles Mars. I dont see anything disruptive.

I have had a stillbirth.The co-rulers of my fifth are sextile.No aspects between saturn and Uranus.As miscarriage is a death i think I'd look at aspects between ruler of h8 and H5. Priprasad has them in sextile...venus and saturn, which as you rightly say Star are never good together (although this is the best aspect the two can have,all things considered.)
The presence of Pluto in pripra's first cant be totally ignored either.

Good luck with the baby making, Priprasad.Jupiters strong involvement should ensure at least one child.
Lillyjgc

[astrologer50]

Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2
Etiquette and telling people their fate
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17248
10Do’s and Don’ts with astrology by Rahu
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17450

[starlink]

.Basically I've never heard that sperm and eggs could only get together in a relaxed environment.

No no LOL, of course not, too funny. No, what I mean is that if a woman is not so conscious of getting pregnant, it often happens that she then will get pregnant. Just like you said here;
I

got the impression our friend here is very keen to bear a child, although I think many of us can recount anecdotes of people who tried and tried and then gave up and adopted, only to then fall pregnant easily.(nature can be perverse like that).

Maybe too keen?
I had friends who in 8 years did not have kids. They stayed with us for a while (while we lived in town, they in the bush, long story) and went through everything possible in order to get pregnant. His sperm was OK, she was OK and still nothing. All these experimenting did not bring any result. So they adopted a child and guess what. No less than 3 month later she got pregnant! They now have 3 children (plus the adopted one). That is what I meant with psychologically being blocked really. Imagine, 8 years nothing and then hoops, all came.

Yes, not nature, but the mind can be causing problems at times I think.

As miscarriage is a death i think I'd look at aspects between ruler of h8 and H5.

Yes, that would probably be more appropriate. It certainly needs looking at.

I hope Priprasad will get lucky soon!

Cheers, Starlink

[looking for answers]

i can share my own story here.... i have lived in a fear for a very long time that i might not be able to conceive beleive me that can be the biggest fear possible besides that having an unsupporting partner.. so besides astrology which gives possibilities and probabilities ( not 100% accuracy) i also depended on prayers.... which with full faith give 100% results...

i had 2 misscarriages in the past , had developed fibroids , had a laproscopic myomectomy, and am a doctor myself so i knew medically that i had less chances of success... and astrologically me n my husband both had week planets.. consulted some 200 people like psychos for the same all answered in negetive but with my prayers and gods grace i conceived and i have a beautiful daughter now..

any lady in mid or late thirties or even younger who is desperate to have a baby,whenever she will conceive will be counting days till the end and will always have a fear of loosing it so this discussion is really futile what some1 has predicted a loss.... and miscarriage or abortion technically whatever i feel its the same thing a loss is a loss.

i dont really know which planet moved where and what really happened but i am thankful to my stars and god .... for blessing me
am a firm beleiver of astrology but the day i conceived i decided not to look at my chart till the time i bring my baby in the world...coz i did not want to worry about my planetory movements.....
( although to b honest every second of my pregnancy was spent worrying... and praying)

i saw the place of birth as tamilnadu in india so i would like to mention here that there is a temple in tamilnadu(garbhrakshakambikai temple) where u can go and pray for a child and history of the temple says that not even 1 single person who has prayed there for a baby has failed till date... if u want u can get the address...
am sure my story will make u feel positive ...my best wishes are with u.... i know what this pain is as i have gone through this for almost 7 8 years