Oh....dear...where are my wedding and engagement rings?

indigojenardu · #1 07-12-2009, 11:26 PM

Ok...as it says....the last I saw, they were in a container with a load of earrings. I then brought that same container to a car boot sale and I wasn't really reminded of the wedding rings until this afternoon - when I was having a clear out - and then had the horrible thought that I may have actually left the rings *in* the container at the boot fair

Now...I don't know much about horary - but I am going to have a stab at this. Apparently moon in first house, so the item should be near me.

Except: Ascendant in Pisces, with Neptune as its ruler in 12th - the 12th house is dodgy - that doesn't look too pretty? And Uranus is also occupying the first house - and then Saturn is also applying to the moon, which is me and the item. Neptune, Uranus and Saturn are all malefics - which in sum, basically means I've been a bit thick?

If I look at the 2nd house, which seems to be taurus according to that little table thingy (the text in green), mars is occupying it - but seems to be moving along to venus to do something or other, I dunno, and venus being the ruler of the second (and the ruler of the rings anyway) is in the 3rd (gemini) - except venus is square saturn in the 7th, which is opp moon in the first - which means - the rings are not really with me at all, are they? they're with someone else...and it's so sad and significant that it's in the 7th house of virgo (my husband is a virgo) The end of matter house is cancer - which is the moon - which brings it back to me???

Awww peeps. Help me out here. I may have got this all wrong!! (I hope I have....) I feel sick with worry, actually.

cassanra · #2 07-13-2009, 04:26 AM

Just a quick response...your 2nd house rules valuables and the moon rules lost items. So venus rules the rings and in general venus rules jewelry. That it is in the 3rd house might imply with brother or sister or in the car since mercury rules the house too. The moon in the first implies it is with you and coming up soon to Uranus you will suddenly find them.
Gemini for places can also be wher eyou study or where books are kepts. Can be an upstairs room in a drawer the upper part of a room or peice o furniture. The fact that it is the third house and in gemini again suggests the car.

elumen · #3 07-13-2009, 06:05 AM

indigoj, the moon is void of course, that is it does not apply to any planet (Neptune, Uranus, Pluto do not count in traditional horary astrology), and as a result it may be interpreted that no activity will take place (normally it means that nothing will come out of the question). i am not very experienced with where-is-something charts, but in this case it may indicate that you do not need to worry about it, it will appear at home in a gemini type of place, as cassanra pointed out. please keep us posted.

hiimnotcool · #4 07-13-2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elumen

indigoj, the moon is void of course, that is it does not apply to any planet (Neptune, Uranus, Pluto do not count in traditional horary astrology), and as a result it may be interpreted that no activity will take place (normally it means that nothing will come out of the question). i am not very experienced with where-is-something charts, but in this case it may indicate that you do not need to worry about it, it will appear at home in a gemini type of place, as cassanra pointed out. please keep us posted.

the moon isnt VOC though. it's within moiety in Orb to Mars. Even though Mars just switched signs, if the moiety of orb is still there then the Moon is said not to be VOC.

fensi88 · #5 07-13-2009, 06:59 PM

Unfortunatelly I do not see any sign of recovery, so I will be very surprised if you find them.
VOC Moon is not important in this type of chart, because item must be somewhere.

indigojenardu · #6 07-14-2009, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fensi88

Unfortunatelly I do not see any sign of recovery, so I will be very surprised if you find them.
VOC Moon is not important in this type of chart, because item must be somewhere.

Hi everyone - thanks. I will look in the places that you have mentioned....

Interesting you say it should be in a Gemini place - I am a Gemini, so hopefully, I have them!

Hi Fensi - thanks - I'm here to be educated too, so please can you say what it is in the chart that indicates no recovery? Because I get that from the chart too

, but others are saying different...?

fensi88 · #7 07-14-2009, 02:52 PM

Arguments for Recovery

Application from the Moon to the ascendant or its ruler.

Application from the Moon or 2nd-ruler to the 2nd house or its ruler, or to a planet in the 2nd, or to Fortuna.

Application from the Moon to its own dispositor

The Sun and Moon aspecting each other or the cusp of the 2nd house by trine.

The Sun and Moon aspecting each other by any aspect out of angles.

The Sun in the ascendant (unless in Libra or Aquarius, where it is debilitated).

The Moon, 2nd-ruler, asc-ruler or a fortune (Jupiter, Venus, Fortuna, North Node) placed in the ascendant, 2nd house or 4th house.

2nd-ruler in the 10th or 11th shows the object is near the querent or is being kept by a friend.

The Moon aspecting a fortune shows the item is in the safe keeping of an honest person who will return it. (Especially if the fortune also aspects the ascendant or asc-ruler.)

The Moon or 2nd-ruler angular.

It is important that POF must be calculated by day formula.

indigojenardu · #8 07-14-2009, 08:20 PM

Hi Fensi - cheers for the skyscript.....

I just wanted to know your thoughts on the planets and stuff within that particular chart....

fensi88 · #9 07-14-2009, 08:36 PM

I analyse chart only after I find min 2 testimonies for recovery, otherwise, not.

elumen · #10 07-14-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiimnotcool

the moon isnt VOC though. it's within moiety in Orb to Mars. Even though Mars just switched signs, if the moiety of orb is still there then the Moon is said not to be VOC.

hiimnotcool, in traditional horary only in sign (natural) aspects count. for e.g., the squares are between the signs that square each other in the natural zodiacal wheel (Taurus/Leo, Leo/Scorpio, etc.) so if the moon in this case in the late degrees of pisces, and mars just entered gemini, the moon is applying to a sextile with mars, but before it makes this aspect it will change the signs from Pisces to Aries which indicate a change in the situation. this is a traditional rule but in my experience it works. i never saw anything come out of a positive applying out-of-sign aspect.

fensi88, i think that moon VOC may indicate that item will not be found. it is somewhere for sure, but as the querent is asking where it is, it may mean that it is not to be found by the querent. in this case, b/c of how the question was phrased and indicated worry, i think it may mean that it will be found. i have read in march and mcevers book on horary astrology that if person is worrying about some question and the moon is VOC than the worry is without reason. nothing bad will come out of it. in this case, however, i do not know if that alone applies here. we will learn from indigog, i hope.

fensi88 · #11 07-15-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

i never saw anything come out of a positive applying out-of-sign aspect.

Once upon a time I get positive outcome, but Moon was on Regulus! Read here my example :
http://astrosport07.webs.com/beckla.html

Also I read somewhere that matter asked about with this placement of rulers, when one of ruler must change sign to aspect another, may indicate positive result but after quarent loose all hope.

indigojenardu · #12 07-16-2009, 12:01 AM

okay.

whoever said the 'suddenly' part was spot on.

I cried my last tear this afternoon.

Just to give you a bit of background:

I have a warehouse, full of random old objects. Magpies would be absolutely delighted in my warehouse.

I hopped in my car this evening, to go to the warehouse.

I got there and started doing some light work. Inside a box of secondhand randomness - buttons, brooches, even old peanuts: my two rings. I don't even remember putting them there.

So: now that I look at that chart again: I see two things (though I may be completely wrong, as I was (thankfully so) before!:

that the Saturn in House 7:

House 7 representing my business and commercial premises: the warehouse is my place of business. The fact that there was a separation between me (moon), the rings (venus) is maybe indicated in the Saturn opposition and square respectively.

Someone mentioned mercury - mercury is the ruler of Virgo, also...? is that significant?

The car: well, I had to get in my car to go to the warehouse I guess...

The Gemini place - well how much more Gemini can you get than a box full of randomness.

No brother or sister involved, just me and my mad Gemini twinself - unless that's what the third house was implying

fensi88 · #13 07-16-2009, 07:17 AM

Warehouse fits with Ta on cusp of 2nd house, and that aspect from Moon after changing sign to Mars, planet in 2nd house, works! That is one sign of recovery.

elumen · #14 07-17-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fensi88

Warehouse fits with Ta on cusp of 2nd house, and that aspect from Moon after changing sign to Mars, planet in 2nd house, works! That is one sign of recovery.

actually, fensi88, it is not clear to me what was the reason for the recovery. i still think that the moon VOC indicated that worry was unnecessary.

btw, thank you for your example of out-of-sign positive aspects, i have not yet had time to check it out, but i'm quite curious...

anyway, congratulations, indigog with your discovery! i'm glad it worked out.

fensi88 · #15 07-18-2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

actually, fensi88, it is not clear to me what was the reason for the recovery

If you read "arguments for recovery" list you found this:
"Application from the Moon to a planet in the 2nd...."
As Hiimnotcool said the Moon is within moiety in Orb(9:30) to Mars, so we have sextile between Moon and Ma, after Moon change sign.