VERY worried about this horary chart

misskitty · #1 07-04-2009, 12:16 AM

I had an unexpected turn of events this past week at work. I just found out that I will be going away for 5 weeks on a project, and the manager of the project is my ex-boyfriend. This guy is a Virgo, and the short-short version of what happened is that we dated last summer and part of the fall. He was seperated from his wife and telling me he was going to get a divorce, when meanwhile he was really busy reconciling with her. I didn't find out until he broke up with me out of the blue. It hurt me deeply, but still managed to keep a congenial relationship with him since we run in the same professional circles. WELL, I just found out that we will both be on this project that will require out-of-town trips with two other of our coworkers. I have no desire to get back with this man because not only did he lie to me, he was lying to his wife about me as well. She still has no idea that he was sleeping with someone else while he was telling her they would work on their relationship (again, I was not aware that's what he was really doing). He was going through a mid-life crisis.

Anyway, I don't have any romantic feelings for him anymore, but what I was worried about was that he might try to stir things back up with me. I wouldn't have fallen for it if he did, as I have learned a lot about deception and men who lie like he does. I respect myself better than to be "the other woman" and I absolutely refuse to go there. EVER. I was hoping this horary would shed light on what to expect from our summer of having to work together again.

First, I used him as the 7th house since he is a former romantic interest. I am Venus he is Mars. Our significators are separating in the 8th house of endings. GOOD. That is good. I can't take any more drama from him. I am strong in my own sign, which I think is a reflection of a lot of the healing and transformation that has taken place in me since I Was with him last year. I am MUCH stronger now, I Was in a bad place then. He is in his detriment here, and I can't figure that out because as long as he doesn't pursue me then he should not be in detriment. Maybe it means that he is weak right now.

The Moon is forming a trine to the Sun, which rules my 11th from my MC. One of the last aspects is to square me. This si fine, it seems to be giving a negative outcome for any kind of reconciliation attmpt. That is good for me, because I do not need or want to reconcile with someone who purposefully deceived me.

WHat is really worrying me about this chart, however, is that I am exactly conjunct with the fixed star Algol. Algol is the most malefic star of all of the fixed stars. It means strangulation, death, sickness, deep pain. Can anyone give me more insight of where I may get hurt here?? I just figured that if I stay away from any kind of flirtation or hint of romance with this guy that I will be okay. I want to keep it strictly professional and I thought this will shield me from further pain from this man.

So WHY is Algol conjuncting me and does the chart show in what way I may be hurt so that I can attempt to shield myself from it?? I am very upset about this as I am hoping I have grown enough in the last year to keep myself from getting sucked into another drama like that.

katydid · #2 07-04-2009, 12:49 AM

He is in his detriment here, and I can't figure that out because as long as he doesn't pursue me then he should not be in detriment. Maybe it means that he is weak right now.

The Moon is forming a trine to the Sun, which rules my 11th from my MC. One of the last aspects is to square me. This si fine, it seems to be giving a negative outcome for any kind of reconciliation attmpt. That is good for me, because I do not need or want to reconcile with someone who purposefully deceived me.

WHat is really worrying me about this chart, however, is that I am exactly conjunct with the fixed star Algol. Algol is the most malefic star of all of the fixed stars. It means strangulation, death, sickness, deep pain. Can anyone give me more insight of where I may get hurt here?? I just figured that if I stay away from any kind of flirtation or hint of romance with this guy that I will be okay. I want to keep it strictly professional and I thought this will shield me from further pain from this man.

Perhaps he is weak because he has to work with you, all the while knowing that he deceived you and betrayed you. That would put him in a detrimental position mentally imo.

As for Algol, it may mean that the pain you are holding from the past may be released during this business trip. 5 weeks is a long time, and you are both away from home, and will be spending a lot of intense time together. This will absolutely TEST your strength emotionally and physically. Do not be too hard on yourself if you feel temptation during this period.

katydid · #3 07-04-2009, 02:00 AM

My advice to you is to go deeply within yourself and forgive.

I have told you what the horary says. Now drop the astrology and seek deep within yourself for resolve. Before you go, ask Christ to show you light and wonderful knowledge of this little lesson of life. Remember, you have control over everything. Do not worry so much. Think of what you would say to him, and say it to him, not caring what he has to say back.

That is the best advice I have seen on here in a long time.

Thank you.

Neptune Rising · #4 07-04-2009, 02:03 AM

Its an interesting chart.

Sun at the MC highlights the nature of the question, about the job which is the cause of the question.

First aspect is Moon trine Sun, ruler of the 11th or his 5th. Not sure how to interpret that, maybe its showing you two becoming friends, or some social occurance...

Moon in via combusta, things may not be too clear at the moment.

Moon rules the job 10th house, and it seems this Moon will bring he and you together. Venus and Mars are both in Moons dignities, and Moon in Venus/Mars dignities.

Mars/he likes Venus/you - he's in Taurus which is Venus sign, and Mars terms so he is also interested in his own interests.
Venus is on Mars terms, I think this shows a certain openness to him at the same time You/Venus is on Mars detriment, showing a certain dislike of him too.

In the 8th house shows your worry about this, which is expanded by being conjunct Algol - loosing your head over this. It just shows how worried you are about this situation.

Whether anything happens is up to you, it does show the job bringing you two together, perhaps to make amends ect... Final aspect is square to Jupiter, he rules the 6th and 3rd. Also Venus is in square to Jupiter, perhaps this now shows how you feel about your work? OR maybe some problem with communication.. I'm just guessing here, not really sure about that aspect.

Cardinal angles but fixed Moon show things moving farily quickly.

Good luck

misskitty · #5 07-04-2009, 05:14 AM

I appreciate the quick responses very much, as this horary really did upset me. I do realize that I have the final say in the outcome, but I also know my history with this man. He had a strange effect on me. I put myself in a very weak position to be with him, he made me weak. Not strong as a real love should. I am not in danger of being seduced by him because I won't let that happen, but I know I am vulnerable to feeling love for him again and I just don't want to feel that for him anymore. I fear falling in love again, even if I would never let myself act on it. There is a lot of pain involved with what happend between us.

>>Neptune Rising: First aspect is Moon trine Sun, ruler of the 11th or his 5th. Not sure how to interpret that, maybe its showing you two becoming friends<<

I thought that too when I saw this aspect. Hopefully it is a return to the more friendly side of our relationship without the negative feelings of our affair so that we can get our work done.

>>Venus is on Mars terms, I think this shows a certain openness to him at the same time You/Venus is on Mars detriment, showing a certain dislike of him too. <<

Very true.

>>Horary needs a yes or no answer. What are you asking that can be proved by yes or no ?<<

I guess the root of the question is will I wind up even more hurt by him at the end of the summer.

>>This man is older and more successful than you, yes? And he is at least 6 feet tall or so (not short), yes ?<<

He is 6 years older, and does have a higher position that I do. He is supervising the project. However, he is on the shorter side of average. He is about 5'7".

>>The final aspect to Jupiter by Square without any Reception shows that there will be confrontation of sorts by words; and that he will likely have the last say, because Jupiter is in his sign and house.<<

Well, hopefully that will be in the form of an apology after I verbalize to him how much he did hurt me. He has never apologized or acknowledged that what he did was painful for me. I can defintely see writing an email to him and expressing to him exactly how much he hurt me, as you say.

>>You are, as you pointed out, in the 8th house of death and endings. Although, no, this is not GOOD, as you pretend.<<

I meant "good" in the sense that the chart showed that he will not be pursuing me further. I don't want him to pursue me further. I want the pain to just end. I guess that was why I felt relief when I saw us in the 8th house, because it does show a certain finality.

>>Before you go, ask Christ to show you light and wonderful knowledge of this little lesson of life. Remember, you have control over everything. Do not worry so much. Think of what you would say to him, and say it to him, not caring what he has to say back. Release the great pressure you have bottled up.<<

This is wonderful advice, and I have to say that I have made such huge steps forward in moving on from a lot of the pain I have been carrying around (not just from him, but in several painful events over the past couple of years). I have had such a great improvement and felt such relief in that area that I really am terrified of being put back in that negative place that I was in when we were seeing each other. I don't want to go there again, so the Algol conjunction really upset me.

I think I will do what you suggest, and write out exactly how much he hurt me. I do not know if I will actually let him read it, or if I will verbalize it, but it probably would make me feel better.

I just want to believe I am in a more positive place where I can finally attract a relationship that is good for me and doesn't just cause me more pain.

Thank you all for the responses. As Neptune Rising pointed out this is all cardinal angles, so the situation should come to a head sooner rather than later. I promise to update.

misskitty · #6 07-04-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by katydid

He is in his detriment here, and I can't figure that out because as long as he doesn't pursue me then he should not be in detriment. Maybe it means that he is weak right now.

The Moon is forming a trine to the Sun, which rules my 11th from my MC. One of the last aspects is to square me. This si fine, it seems to be giving a negative outcome for any kind of reconciliation attmpt. That is good for me, because I do not need or want to reconcile with someone who purposefully deceived me.

WHat is really worrying me about this chart, however, is that I am exactly conjunct with the fixed star Algol. Algol is the most malefic star of all of the fixed stars. It means strangulation, death, sickness, deep pain. Can anyone give me more insight of where I may get hurt here?? I just figured that if I stay away from any kind of flirtation or hint of romance with this guy that I will be okay. I want to keep it strictly professional and I thought this will shield me from further pain from this man.

Perhaps he is weak because he has to work with you, all the while knowing that he deceived you and betrayed you. That would put him in a detrimental position mentally imo.

As for Algol, it may mean that the pain you are holding from the past may be released during this business trip. 5 weeks is a long time, and you are both away from home, and will be spending a lot of intense time together. This will absolutely TEST your strength emotionally and physically. Do not be too hard on yourself if you feel temptation during this period.

That makes sense Katydid. He has to feel guilty on some level for what he did.

I do need to learn not to be so hard on myself. Thank you for the reminder. This is a tough situation to be in, and if I didn't need the money so badly I would refuse the project.

misskitty · #7 07-09-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

Final aspect is square to Jupiter, he rules the 6th and 3rd. Also Venus is in square to Jupiter, perhaps this now shows how you feel about your work? OR maybe some problem with communication.. I'm just guessing here, not really sure about that aspect.

He seems to be withholding information from me about our project that is starting next week. He is not being very communicative. But then, one of his games is to become uncommunicative when he knows that I want to know something. I'm tired of the games. I have no interest in continuing anything romantic with him, I just want to know some details about the upcoming work. He seems to want to continue games from our brief relationship even though he is back with his wife and there is no chance I would ever reciprocate. I don't get it. This is the Virgo that I used to think was so stable...

Anyway, I am wondering if this is the "last word" you are referring to. He controls all communication between us and won't give me information when I need it. The project starts on Monday. It will be interesting to see what transpires, although I am not sure 'interesting' is the right word.

waterlilly · #8 07-09-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Ledzion

Horary needs a yes or no answer. What are you asking that can be proved by yes or no ?

If this question is about a love affair, the 5th house is to be used. This is not marriage. The object of your former affection would be symbolized by Saturn, who has Jupiter and the North Node in his house. This man is older and more successful than you, yes? And he is at least 6 feet tall or so (not short), yes ?

Saturn does not aspect anyone, although he is in your 12th house. He is a secret enemy of your subconscious and he dominates you. Virgo represents purity, and it is a mutable sign. And so you feel a terrible act has been committed, one that you would rather run from than deal with.

The Moon will dexter Sextile Saturn, and there will be discussion brought about by you, for you aspect him being the faster of the two.

The Moon in Scorpio here is said to be Via Combusta, a great disturbance of events.

You are shown by Venus, who is in terrible condition being in the 8th house and conjunct a Malefic that is in Detriment. Lilly calls the 8th house "Anguish of the Mind."

You mentioned "one of the final aspects the Moon makes is the square to Venus," but this does not matter. The Last Septener Planet aspected by the Moon is Jupiter, ruler of 3rd house; information and letters.

You will have to state in speech or letter your emotional turmoil of what has happened, how he causes anguish to you, and that you are imprisoned by the most deep affair that is engraved upon you. Saturn and Venus formed a harmonious trine at one point, but now Saturn is in your 12th house. The final aspect to Jupiter by Square without any Reception shows that there will be confrontation of sorts by words; and that he will likely have the last say, because Jupiter is in his sign and house.

It is interesting also that Saturn is both the Exaltation Ruler and Triplicity Ruler of your sign, Libra. Oh, what may have been if he were truly # 1 !

My advice to you is to go deeply within yourself and forgive, right at the very root. This will involve some sort of precious loss for you. You are, as you pointed out, in the 8th house of death and endings. Although, no, this is not GOOD, as you pretend.

I have told you what the horary says. Now drop the astrology and seek deep within yourself for resolve. Before you go, ask Christ to show you light and wonderful knowledge of this little lesson of life. Remember, you have control over everything. Do not worry so much. Think of what you would say to him, and say it to him, not caring what he has to say back. Release the great pressure you have bottled up.

Be you blessed in all things.

With Care,
Joseph

wow. Joseph your really good.

I hope this all works out for you. I completely understand. Just know your not alone with this pain.

Please let us know what happens

Sending love

Water

cassanra · #9 07-09-2009, 09:08 PM

I think as I have understood houses the 7th is typically always used in questions about relationships (see horary education board) so mars would be him.
Algol to me and from what I have read simply implies "don't lose your head"
In fact, he may attempt a reconciliation as he is in your trip and house ruler ship but you are running away from him. Saturn may be the 'unwanted wife' and he is separating from a trine to her and is in her term and face indicating he actually is more interested in you but more a 'crush' situation.
You are in his term so you still like him a little. Of course you will talk. You are both forming a square to jupiter in the fifth, the affair. Jupiter may be a collector of light of sorts but the energy is still frustrated but it seems to bring you together even though you are moving apart. It does not follow the traditional description as jupiter only collects mars but it can not be ruled out.
I think he may try to stir things up but I think he will fail. I think the warning is 'don't lose your head' and the trine of the moon to the sun at the end of the relationship implies (and as ruler of the 10th) a harmonious end. The last aspect the moon makes is a square to jupiter in the fifth I think indicating again a frustration to reconcilliation of the romance.
Please keep us posted.

misskitty · #10 07-10-2009, 03:05 PM

Thank you Cassandra. I am starting to feel better about Algol if it can be interpreted as merely a warning and not an omen. I just can't take any more drama from this man! I am more inclined to think he is Mars as well, it just makes more sense in terms of what happened and what is likely to happen with the significators in the 8th as they are. I will let all of you know what transpires and keep you updated! We leave for our project on Monday monrning.

misskitty · #11 08-08-2009, 01:59 AM

Final Update on this one, as the job is completed and I have returned to my home in a city separate from him.

I will try to be brief so as not to bore everyone to tears

but I will relay events that I believe are shown in the horary.

We got along very well during the project, although I could sense sadness on his part. I won't get into why, but I got the feeling that he is just as regretful that the timing was bad as I am. As Joseph said, "oh what could have been if he were the one." I could also sense that he is extremely unhappy right now, although he won't tell me exactly what is wrong.

The project came to a close and I was prepared to go back home without seeing or talking to him again. BUT at the last minute, the day I was supposed to leave, there was a big problem with my paycheck. The payroll department misplaced all of my information! I had to visit the office to clear things up, and when I went by his office he asked if I wanted to go to lunch. I said 'sure.' During lunch we ended up having a very good conversation. As a Virgo he doesn't open up emotionally very often, but I could tell there was something he wanted to say. He told me that he is very worried that I think I didn't mean anything to him because he decided to give it one last try with his wife, whom he had been separated from for 6 months when we started seeing each other. He said that it was extremely difficult to break the relationship off with me and that he still thinks about it quite often because it is still difficult for him. I said that it is difficult for me too, but that I understand and that I wish him the best of luck in finding happiness with her. I told him I would never be a homewrecker, and would never mettle in his reconciliation with her. He said that is something he admires about me very much, and that above all he just wants to make sure we remain friends because the friendship means a lot to him. It was a good talk, and I felt like we finally got this elephant in the room OUT.

I did what you suggested Joesph. I forgave him for what he did. He hurt me badly, but I can't be angry with him anymore because he was in such a terrible place last year, and now he his trying to make things right. Whether if it works out between him and his wife or not, he still gave it its due chance and did the right thing. I admire him for that.

And yet, neither of us can fully let go of this friendship. I know there are karmic connections in our synastry, but whatever it is it is like we still have something to learn from each other even if it is only as friends.

Anyway, I believe the paycheck thing is shown in the chart... but especially the last aspects of Moon square Neptune then Jupiter are shown in the chart. Our conversation at lunch was bittersweet, and it was about reality smacking us in the face about the fact that yes we both still have feelings for each other, but there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. He is going to continue attempting to make it work with her, and I am going to continue to move on.

Ok. I'm going to go have a good cry now.