Dad's surgery

[Reyka]

Hi all,
I'm new to horary astrology, and I'm struggling to give it a try in order to answer this question:
"Will my father get rid of all the tumour with his prostatic surgery?"
My father is undergoing surgery tomorrow, Friday, 26th of June (which incidentally is my birthday, and I hope that’s a good omen).
They are going to take away his entire prostate... I just hope his tumour is all in there and is not spreading somewhere else as well.
We only found out he has prostatic tumour a monh ago, and we are anxious for his operation to take place and be done with. There is a lot of tension and nerviness going on in the house, as you would imagine when the word “tumour/cancer” is conjured up.

This is the chart I drew:

Dad's surgery chart

Note that I put the web style as “Regiomontanous”, and added “Pars Fortunae” like ArcherGirl suggests to do.

Querent: I would be represented by Jupiter in Aquarius26° 54’ in the 2nd House Rx, as the rising sign was Sagittarius 20° 42’ ... ? Succeedent…?
Pluto is in the 1st House in Capricorn 1° 58’ separating…? Angular…?

Quesited: fathers would be ruled by the 4th House, together with family and so on, here in Aries, which has no planet in (…?)
Aries has its ruler, Mars, in Taurus 16° 51’ in the 5th House separating …? Succeedent…?

Or should I consider as quesited -> Health, which pertains to the 6th House, where Gemini is, where we find Mercury separating (12° 06’)… ???

Moon: it is in Cancer, 15° 34’, in the 7th House. Separating …? Angular…?
So, Moon and Mars would be in applying sextile. Which means...?

Part of Fortune is in Capricorn 4° 0’ in the 1st House. Separating… ? Angular…?

I feel I should look at the 12th House for ‘hidden enemies’, and there is no planet there, can it be a good sign?!

3 angular planets and 2 succeedent ones… Seems quite reassuring to me, but I really don’t know a thing!
Any help would be much appreciated, thank you in advance.
Reyka


P.S.: In case it helps, this is my father’s chart:
Dad's natal chart

Edit: Please mods, let me know what I have to add on here, if something necessary is missing. Cheers!

[starlink]

Reyka, thanks for giving your own view of this chart. let me give you some pointers if I may. Pluto, Neptune and Uranus are not looked at in horary, except as showing a certain situation. So Pluto in your 1st house shows the emotional turmoil you are under right now. Dont use him as ruler of anything.

You showed us a chart made on the 23rd and you wrote : my dad will have surgery tomorrow on the 26th, my birthday. So did you ask this question 3 days ago?

Also, it would probably be good to make a chart for the day of the surgery and the time it takes place to see how things go.

I dont want to answer to your question unless I am sure you asked the question on the 23rd and not on the 24th or 25th.

[Reyka]

It's reassuring to see how thorough our mods are!

Yes, I did ask and did draw the chart on the 23rd, and it took me almost 2 days to figure out the basics of horary astrology, in order to get to a personal little interpretation, then posted it all. But no replies, yet...

Dad's surgery took place this morning (26th), and he's still getting over the total anaesthesia, feeling very lethargic.
Can you please be a star and answer my question somehow, Starlink?

[starlink]

Can you please be a star and answer my question somehow, Starlink?
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Of course I will. I am very glad you took the time to go over the horary lessons before doing your bit. Wished everybody would do that! I am giving you a !

OK then, about the chart. It is a bit complicated to explain because we have to take the derivated chart of the 4th house, your father. It is also a very delicate question and that is why some others may be did not dare answering it for fear of making a mistake. So with everything I tell you, bear in mind that I can be wrong as well. I am not a super expert on this either. I have seen a chart interpretation once, dealing with illnesses and treatments. Illnesses of course get the 6th house and treatments is another story. The 10th house rules treatment (what the doctor prescribes as treatment) and the 2nd house deals with medicin which you take by mouth. The 7th house is the treating MD and the 9th is for specialists. Complicated right?

So we have to look at your fathers 6th house (6th of the 4th and always counting from (the persons) 1st house.

I must go for a minute. Must do something in the kitchen Will be back.

[starlink]

Good, here I am again. Lets see:

I will look at your dad, house 4, ruled by Mars in his 2nd. the house of selfconfidence/selfworth and clearly he is feeling very insecure with Mars in detriment.
His 6th house is ruled by Mercury (Virgo on cusp) and has Saturn placed in it which does suggest a serious illness. The ruler (significator) of the illness, Mercury is placed in a Mutable sign and this suggest, according to Frawley, that the illness will come and go. Because your fathers significator is in a fixed sign, this could mean that the illness has a likelyhood of staying longer.

We have to see if the cure for the illness, which in this case is the operation and maybe chemotherapy treatment, will be strong enough to get rid of the illness, so the ruler of the treatment, in this case the 10th of your father, ruled by Jupiter retro and VOC (we dont look at Neptune as a planet, just as an emotion!), meaning it does not aspect any other planet anymore before leaving it's sign.

We can also look at the 6th house of your father for the surgery itself, but that one has the same ruler as Mercury, so maybe we should take Saturn as the surgery as he co-signifies the 6th.

The Illness, Mercury, is very strong in own sign and in the house of it's joy and it is approaching Saturn in 4 degrees approximately. This could be an indication that the illness will be blocked, but it does not mean that it will be overcome by the treatment.

We now hope to see the significator of the illness (Mercury) in strong dignities of either the doctor, the treatment or the surgery.

It is most important that the surgeon, treatment or surgery is NOT in the detriment or fall of the patients significator.

The detriment of Mars is the sign Taurus or Libra.
If the illness is disposited by the doctor, meaning here, if Mercury would be in Libra or Taurus, then this would be the best, because it shows that the surgeon has power over it.

Finding the surgeons significator, Venus, or the treatment's significator in strong dignity of the illness is a negative testimony because that means that the illness is stronger than the surgeon or the treatment.

Yes, the illness is in a dignity (term) of the treatment, but not in strong dignity. He is in term of Jupiter. Saturn, co-ruler of the illness is also in term of Jupiter, so that is then hopeful. Two rulers in term of the treatment.

And even better, the illness falls in the sign of detriment of Jupiter. This means that the illness does not like the treatment!

But the treatment is in the sign of Saturn and Saturn co-rules the illness, so this is not a good testimony. The treatment might be too weak and because Jupiter is also retrograde, further weakening him, the surgery might have to be repeated maybe.
On the other hand, the Part of Fortune is situated in the 10th! in term of Venus, the surgeon. POF is also angular. This is a strong placement, but it is ruled by Saturn and thus the illness is stronger.

Also, your fathers surgeon, Venus, ruler of his 7th, is in the sign of detriment of Mars which again not a good testimony according to John Frawley.

I find this a very difficult chart to interprete because on the one hand it shows that the illness is in the sign of detriment of the treatment which is good, whilst at the same time the surgeon, even though he seems to be good (in own sign) he, might not be good for your father somehow.

Anyhow, looking at Mercury going to square Saturn, I think this shows that the illness has been blocked from spreading.

The Moon shows how things develop. Moon will simultaneously sextile Saturn (first) then Mars (your dad) and Moon rules the 5th house of your father. Dont know what that could mean to be honest.
After that Moon will sextile the lesser benific Venus as her last aspect. This, I find is a very good sign, because it is a sextile between a Moon in own sign and Venus in own sign.

End of the matter for your dad is ruled by Mercury strong in own sign and house of joy which I think is also positive. As last aspect of Mercury we see a trine to Jupiter.

I hope I will be right in saying that I think that the operation will be a success.
Please let me know what the doctors have said (they should know if the cancer has spread or not) and also if another operation should be done or not. I just would like to know how to interprete that retrograde Jupiter. It will conjunct Neptune which could maybe show that there is something unclear or disappointing (Neptune) about the operation. After all Jupiter is in term of Saturn, showing that Saturn is stronger.

I wish you much strength and all the very best for your father.
I very much hope that he will recover soon and will be free of the illness ever after!

Starlink

[Reyka]

Starlink, I don't know how to thank you for your time!

I can see the difficulty of getting an interpretation for this particular issue and chart.
You are great in every way- most of what you said is already confirmable:

1) the surgeon, indicated by Venus, is actually re-known for being very good, and very importantly, very human and nice to his patients;
2) surgery has been "successful" so far, BUT the good surgeon told Mom it was more complicated than he thought, and
3) in finding more linfonods, and feeling unsure about their nature, he decided on the spot to take away some muscle tissues as well.

So, like you said, the operation was a success, but the illness was stronger (bigger) than the surgeon, who had to take a decision on the spot and took away more than he had estimated.
I guess if not chemio, some radiotherapy is in order, also, I fear my father will have prolonged problems of incontinency, which is what was worrying him the most from the beginning...
We'll see how it goes... I might cast another chart for the current situation, only tomorrow, as I am falling asleep as I type.

Thanks again!!

If somebody else feels like venturing with their answer to this one...

[starlink]

Thank you so much for your feedback Reyka! This helps me doing horary better. The only thing that really worried me in this chart is that the doctor, no matter how good he is (Venus in own sign and house of Joy) can do only so much for your father as Venus falls in the sign of detriment of your father. On the other hand, the good end of the matter and last aspect of the Moon shows hope!
I did a horary about a job recently and everything looked absolutely hopeless in that chart (combust Moon!! amongst other very negative things), yet, the man did find a job. I am still scratching my head about that one!! So sometimes it seems, horary has hidden positive indications somewhere to be found in the chart which I did not see.

I fear my father will have prolonged problems of incontinency

I understand this fear after I had my bladder operation. I had the opposite: my fear was having to use a catheter for the rest of my life. (this I believe, is worse than incontinency!). Thank God I dont have to, but it took 3 month before I could use my bladder again.Getting rid of the cancer and becoming incontinent because of it is a small price to pay in my opinion. I wish your father good recovery!

Starlink

[Reyka]

Thank you again, Star.

I'm sorry you had to go through such an operation and experience... And I'm glad you're fine now.

Hopefully, if the operation really was a success, my father will learn in time how to use his bladder, again. He's already arranged for some therapy with a specialist about the bladder and the muscles involved with it.