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Old 06-04-2009, 11:53 AM
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Love and Career:

I am going through a difficult period in my life where I really am having a lot of trouble figuring out things. I am very confused and don't know where I am headed right now. I don't really see where my future is heading and was looking for advice based on my natal chart.

I want to focus on my love and career because they are the two most important things to me right now. Though, I would like a general reading too just more focused on those two. In love I have constantly been hurt I have someone right now in mind but rather it will work or out or not is unknown. As for my career I am studying Business but I have vast political interests as I have served as an intern with a Senator and I will be working for Jon Corzine soon. I will probably steer clear of American politics and focus on Pakistani politics as its my specialty. At the same time though, I have good business skills and have helped my grandfather with his business several times.

Anyways, heres my intrepretation of the chart...

Sun in Aquarius

It shows my independence and progressive ideas and also could be my rebellious nature.

Mercury in Capricorn

Shows my deep thinking and need to rationalize everything in my life. Also could show my coldness?

Venus in Capricorn

Shows my love is always true and that I am attracted to those with problems. Though, it could also show my deep and definite feelings. Also stunning is the fact that it shows my tendancy to hold back my emotions and fear of being disappointed in love?

Thats all I have learned unfortunetely...

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Old 06-04-2009, 12:47 PM
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Re: Love and Career

Hi Slasher,

Remember that a chart is not about bits of interpretations.. its the whole picture... and the interplay of the different energies..

Somethings you you may want to look into;

a) No fire in chart (look also at the house cusps that hold the fire signs and tehse will tell you where you "absorb" your fire.) How does this lack express itself in your life??

b) No planets in mutable signs... look into the implication of such in charts.

c) You really have a see saw chart with a handle (pluto).. Note that on the eastern side (the part of the chart you identify with most easily) you have Jupiter, moon and chiron... These are in the 1st house.. So as best you can you try to come across as nurturing and caring and as family more than likely means a lot to you, you may well be somewhat of a traditionalist and adhere to strong family values... (even if you believe that you are a rebel, ask yourself what you are rebelling against as this will bring you closer to these energies..)

d) The other side of the see saw has the remainder of the planets in the 7th, 8th and 9th... this to me implies that you feel that you are very much dictated by the personas, the values and minds of those you hold dear to you...

e) note that Pluto the planet of control/transformation is the handle in this see saw configuration... this to me implies that as much as it would be nice to cut out these opposing energies, your journey calls for your transformation and growth through these interactions.. and finding a compromise that benefits both sides. (Try and see how a lack of mutable signs may effect your efforts here..)

You mentioned that you have been hurt in your relationships, I think your Sun conjunction North Node in Aquarius holds the key... Aquarius isnt the rebel just for the sake of rebellion, Aquarius is the bringer of insight and light, here Aquarius is the carrier of inspiration to bring about the evolution of himself and his surroundings... this is not about the ego (Leo, the opposite sign of Aquarius) but about the group feel good factor.. with this in mind, I would suggest, dont allow yourself to be at the beck and call of the one you adore, take them off the pedestal and work towards a loving relationship that celebrates equality and mutual respect...

Work wise, I get the impression that you have very strong values (I wonder if you ever verge on being an activist!!) 6th house is Scorpio with Pluto on the 6th.. you seek experinces that somehow promise transformation and change...

10th house, Pisces, Neptune and Jupiter rules. Jupiter is retro in Cancer so law is a good choice and you will note that for neptune, it sits on the midpoint between Uranus and Saturn... Here I suspect we have the idealist and one who is drawn to make a positive difference where possible.. good intentions but again, call on your Sun in aquarius before you move.. objectivity is paramount if you are to employ this apsect in a positive sense...

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Old 06-04-2009, 01:14 PM
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a) No fire in chart (look also at the house cusps that hold the fire signs and tehse will tell you where you "absorb" your fire.) How does this lack express itself in your life??
What does that all mean exactly?

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Work wise, I get the impression that you have very strong values (I wonder if you ever verge on being an activist!!) 6th house is Scorpio with Pluto on the 6th.. you seek experinces that somehow promise transformation and change...
Oh you have caught me here! I am quite the activist my friend I have went to several protests and have found myself supporting unpopular measures for the good of the country.

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10th house, Pisces, Neptune and Jupiter rules. Jupiter is retro in Cancer so law is a good choice and you will note that for neptune, it sits on the midpoint between Uranus and Saturn... Here I suspect we have the idealist and one who is drawn to make a positive difference where possible.. good intentions but again, call on your Sun in aquarius before you move.. objectivity is paramount if you are to employ this apsect in a positive sense...
Hmm the one career I actually am not interested in the slightest bit right now.
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bucket chart, to Walter

Walter,

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You really have a see saw chart with a handle (pluto)...The other side of the see saw has the remainder of the planets...note that Pluto the planet of control/transformation is the handle in this see saw configuration
I think another possibility is that this is a bucket chart with Ascendant (self) (energy is combined with) (expansion, also wisdom, law) (home, also emotions) as the "handle". The reason I suggest this is because all the planets on the right (others) side of the chart are "bundled" together" and contained in a aspect. All the way on the other side (left (self) ) side of the chart is the combo, completely separated from everything else in the chart. This seems to be a classic "bucket" combination: one planet (or group of conjunct planets) on one side of a chart and all the other planets on the other side of the chart.

This also suggests that Muhammad "picks up" things in their life by making an emotional, personal judgment and, based on how they personally "rule" on these things, they take action with the rest of their energies. This is suggested by Muhammad saying, "found myself supporting unpopular measures for the good of the country" based on what Muhammad personally has "judged" to be best for everyone else.

Here is some more on bucket (also called "funnel") charts:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html

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stellium, to Muhammad

Muhammad,

You said:
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[B][SIZE=4]I am going through a difficult period in my life where I really am having a lot of trouble figuring out things. I am very confused and don't know where I am headed right now. I don't really see where my future is heading and was looking for advice based on my natal chart....In love I have constantly been hurt...I have vast political interests
You have the most planets focused in the top (outer world) right (others) part of the chart, indicating that you use your relationships to do things for others. In other words, you are a natural "networker" and easily make connections, political and otherwise, with those around you. This can also make you a very good "power broker", good at getting the right people "hooked up".

You have a 6 planet stellium (collection of energy) that involves both (relationships) and (duty, also career). This indicates that your "love" planetary energy is "bundled up" with your "career" planetary energy and 4 other planetary energies. This "energy bundle" (i.e., "stellium") goes across 2 astrological houses: relationships, transformation (also power). So when you involve the "love" or "career" energy, you "turn on" all these different life focuses (since the stellium acts as one energy).

Another effect of this huge stellium is that it is a very large "target" for planets moving in the sky to aspect your energies. To explain: in addition to your birth chart, which is the same for life, there are planets in the sky that are moving around you and interacting with ("aspecting") your chart. So in addition to your own energies inside you, there are energies "out there" that affect you every day (called "transits"). In order for these energies to affect you, they have to touch ("aspect") your planetary energies. However, since you have a LARGE bundle of planetary energies, it is very easy for these transits to aspect at least ONE planetary energy in that stellium...and that sets off the whole stellium. So this means when things happen to you they happen in a big way...and last a LONG time.

Right now transiting is (energy goes very easily with) your stellium, indicating that you are having and will have very easy career opportunities for awhile. You also have transiting (transformation, also control) (energy needs to be combined with) your stellium, indicating a time of transformation and power building affecting your relationships (since transiting is in the relationships house).

And, as mentioned, all these things have very much to do with your relationships and career. So there are some very strong energies in your life: use them wisely!

Stellarly,

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Re: bucket chart, to Walter

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I think another possibility is that this is a bucket chart with Ascendant (self) (energy is combined with) (expansion, also wisdom, law) (home, also emotions) as the "handle". The reason I suggest this is because all the planets on the right (others) side of the chart are "bundled" together" and contained in a aspect. All the way on the other side (left (self) ) side of the chart is the combo, completely separated from everything else in the chart. This seems to be a classic "bucket" combination: one planet (or group of conjunct planets) on one side of a chart and all the other planets on the other side of the chart."
Or we could even call it a splay (with Pluto being the lone planet in the 3rd group...) .. a simillar example is found on http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/fa...s/leighcht.htm.

Bob seems to have the same idea that the lone planet attains a level of prominence as per my comment to Muhammad earlier...

I suppose I see(saw) the opposition as being of major importance and that the pluto acts as the intermediary that allows for growth and transformation through this inner conflict.. but I do see what you mean, about Jupiter/Moon/Chiron being the handle to the bundle on the other side of the chart..

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Here is some more on bucket (also called "funnel") charts:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html
Thank you for the link, been here before cos I have a bucket chart myself.. though some may even call it a locomotive... !!

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Re: Love and Career

Slash,
You have 6 planets in Capricorn, placed in the 7th and 8th houses. Mercury, Venus and Mars are among that stellium, thus it describes some facets of your personality .
Capricorn instills a quality of maturity beyond one's years, and an innate sense of responsibility and reliability. Having so many planets there describes a highly capable, solid individual, but perhaps , sometimes burdened by the respect and authority that others expect of you. And most important, the high expectations that you have for yourself. If someone has one of their personal planets in Capricorn, we would say they are goal oriented and motivated. You have SIX planets there, sextiling Pluto. Thus you are perhaps overwhelmed at times with the extent of your lofty goals and ambitions.
So maybe you could could yourself a break, a realize that you are a mortal, and do not have to rise above everyone and be the best at everything, even if you may feel that internally and from family's unspoken expectations. You may feel that your family has unrealistic expectations for you as well. The opposition from the Cancer Moon and Jupiter in the 1st show the part of you that wants to slow down and take a break now and then. You need to recharge emotionally, and you require some private down time to keep your emotions balanced. Doing Cancerian activities can help you out, like cooking and painting and gardening perhaps. OR CUDDLING.
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Re: Love and Career

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No fire in chart (look also at the house cusps that hold the fire signs and tehse will tell you where you "absorb" your fire.) How does this lack express itself in your life??

b) No planets in mutable signs... look into the implication of such in charts.
Hi Slasher,

When an element is lacking there is usually a sense of being disconnected from that quality in life.. what happens then is that there is generally over compensation to express this attribute... its like the internal meter doesnt work for this aspect of your personality (in your and my case, fire..) and so is over expressed as there is no benchmark as to what level is appropriate in different circumstances... (and in other situations, we are unable to generate any enthuthiasm or optimism from within, on cue...)

I mentioned houses because the houses where your fire signs lie on the cusp are the houses where you are most likely to find (comfortable) expression of this aspect of your Self. In your case, you have 3rd (your communication, your expression), your 7th (your partners) and your 11th (your friends and your groups you associate with...)

With no fire planets, you may look to the individuals indicated by these houses to gain your fire attributes.. eg with fire on the 11th, you could say that you find your fire rekindled in a group context where you "piggy back" on the energy raised by the group and thus exist in a sort of symbiotic interaction... the group needs as many (simillar minded) individuals to exist and you need the group to fuel your passions.. but this can also mean that you can get caught up in the current of group dynamics and you soon loose your identity (akin to getting lost in a neptunian fog) as opposed to contributing and adding your individuality to the group (which is what aquarius sun calls for..)

With no mutable signs, its like once you decide on a plan, you aim and fire with no contingency on what to do when circumstances call for a change in the plan.. you may even feel compelled to see things through for better or worse.. again, look to the houses where you find the mutable signs, the 7th (partners) the 4th (home) and 10th (your elders..) to best learn how to properly adapt your plans and directions to changes in circumstances.. what this means is that you may well find wisdom in the words of your family, your elders and your loved ones.. Im not implying that you take their words as complete gospel but temper it with your own personal beliefs and goals to creatively find the balance that feels right for all involved..

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Re: Love and Career

Seems you know very little about astrology basics then...
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Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

I personally would see your chart as a see saw, rather than bucket chart also.

The lack of mutuability may be addressed with solar arcs, cos the Ascendant is very very close to Cancer rising but the time you gave suggests very late Gemini Asc which would help greatly with the missing mutability angles.

So using solar arcs for rectification, SA Asc conj Jupiter did your family relocate just under age 1 into something bigger or maybe travel or poss sibling born? Age 12 SA asc conj chiron, was there some personal wounding to you around that time? SA Sun conj MC age 17 possibly first job?

Age 10 SA Asc conj Moon, relocation? 1' on Asc =4minutes in real time

Now addressing the matter of lack of fire element, in Placidus house system (ie: default on astro.com) your Sun is in 9th (fire) Moon, Jupiter in 1st(fire) houses so this will compensate for the lack. BUT in Equal house which I study the Sun stays in the 8th house of Scorpio and those 6 Cappi planets all stay in 7th house naturally ruled by Libra, which as we all know is restless procrastinating and indecisive. Again in placidus the sun in in 9th which is Sagg which is Mutuable house and Pluto is in 5th house naturally ruled by Pluto. Now whilst the elements are worth researching, don't get hung up on them too much.

Now Capricorn is very concerned with status acheivements and recognition shrewd in busness and good with money, prob cos they have had to be, but the do care what other people think and what they are known for and this see saw chart suggests. You also lack the element of air, but cos you have 6planets in air house compensates for this.

Sun square pluto suggests a great need for privacy and poss problem with father http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/sunplutoaspects.html
Saturn represents father and is conj venus which suggests feeling unloved or uncherished from childhood and this now has made you very reserved and calculating to whomever you want to open upto. They would have to be ambitious like yourself and going places, so you could look upto them and respect them. Also saturn is conj mercury, whilst this is good for study and research and schooling and again suggests that father poss had limited contact.

Saturn conj Neptune = fear of unknown, Mars conj Uranus can be action (mars) without enough thought of outcome, implusive (uranus) poss bad temper. Mars opp moon= bossy mother

Regarding relationships.... with such a heavy emphasis on 7th house, either business or one to one is going to be majorly important, but this is how you use people so you can 'see yourself more clearly' as if 'others' are holding a mirror upto you, needing others to bounce your theories, ideas off but in a practical selective discerning capricorn way.

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indicating that you use your relationships to do things for others. In other words, you are a natural "networker" and easily make connections, political and otherwise, with those around you.
Yes, this is true in fact soon I will be working with a governor if things go to plan.

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So when you involve the "love" or "career" energy, you "turn on" all these different life focuses (since the stellium acts as one energy).
This is also true! Though, it is strongest when I am in love or have someone everything in my life turns on and I tend to change for the better.

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So this means when things happen to you they happen in a big way...and last a LONG time.
Do you mean for more negative or postive?

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that allows for growth and transformation through this inner conflict..
Yes, so far all my growth and transformation has been through inner conflict. I have also been known to overanalyze...

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Capricorn instills a quality of maturity beyond one's years, and an innate sense of responsibility and reliability.
Yes, I have this quality and being seen as responsible and reliable to my friends is very important to me.

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Thus you are perhaps overwhelmed at times with the extent of your lofty goals and ambitions.
This is actually what caused me to do a little bit of experimenting with Natal Astrology.

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but this can also mean that you can get caught up in the current of group dynamics and you soon loose your identity (akin to getting lost in a neptunian fog) as opposed to contributing and adding your individuality to the group (which is what aquarius sun calls for..)
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Muhammad,

You asked:
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So when you involve the "love" or "career" energy, you "turn on" all these different life focuses (since the stellium acts as one energy).
Do you mean for more negative or postive?
Instead of thinking about "negative" or "positive", I suggest you think of it as "challenging" or "easy". Some times your "love" and "career" energy is "challenged" by what is going on in the outside world and sometimes your "love" and "career" energy goes easily with what is going on in the outside world. In general, you will make the most development in your life when things in the outside world are challenging, since this will challenge you to make decisions and to do things. When things are "easy" we usually aren't that interested in doing things any differently or in taking any real risks. So, using astrology, you can start to see the upcoming challenging time and USE them. Like, right now is a challenging time (as you know) with power issues. So now you have to USE that transformational power energy to help you achieve your goals.

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