California earthquake

Jesusistheway · #1 05-20-2009, 05:17 AM

Hi as you all might know Ca is prone to earthquakes. They say we're overdue for a big one. Just yesterday a earthquake of magnitude 4.7 was felt just east of southwest los angeles and was even felt in san diego. My question to astrologers is there an indication of earthquake activity soon? I am getting that june may bring one. and i read a post which led to this post, which stated that the week of june 7 to june 13 may bring a disastrous event as mercury and venus will meet. i really cant see how venus should bring in trouble? i mean mercury, mars, and uranus can do something there? but what the hey of venus?
so if anyone can make a chart for california, especially along san andreas fault or los angeles, that would be helpful. i just think its due and since june keeps coming up, i wonder if it will really happen this june.

starlink · #2 05-20-2009, 02:36 PM

Hello mr.J! (too long to write it all down, so if you dont mind

)

I also dont see what Venus has to do with this, unless at the moment, Venus is seen as debilitated by Mars as it is in the sign of it's detriment.
I tried to find the chart for Los Angeles, cant seem to find it, but will try again. It seems that LA has Pluto in the 4th house, that is of course "destruction of the foundations" if you want to see it negatively.
A chart for California? No idea if that exists, but who knows, each state might have a chart. Will go on searching.

starlink · #3 05-20-2009, 02:46 PM

OK, I found the chart details for California. Here is the chart and transits of today.

LionKing · #4 05-20-2009, 03:25 PM

I believe that Merc was in a cazimi of the Sun when it happened. It seems I have seen a few of those when that particular cazimi happens... (It doesn't happen all the time thought)

V/r LionKing

starlink · #5 05-20-2009, 05:01 PM

Well, in the natal chart it is very clear. Uranus, ruler of the 4th house in exact conjunction with Pluto and both opposing Moon and Venus (ruler of hidden things) and the Ascendant. Oh my, that is strong!! so I understand why California is prone to disaster, astrologically seen of course.

Transit of interest is Mars at 5°, exactly inconjunct Chiron and opposing the Ascendant.For more specific things, progressed positions should be observed.
Interesting about that Cazimi Mercury Lion King! Mercury is the traditional ruler of earthquakes isn't it?

starlink · #6 05-20-2009, 05:05 PM

Here is the progr. chart for June 7. As you can see Pluto conjunct the Ascendant and the other heavy one's not far away either. Something is brooding from the looks of this.
Moon, which signifies the public, the people, is in a grand trine with Chiron and Saturn. How to interprete this one? Trine or no trine, Chiron and Saturn are not the most pleasant one's and natally Moon opposes Saturn and that with the exact transit of Mars inconjunct Chiron and opposing Moon.,,. Progressed Ascendant at 1° Taurus is exactly conjunct natal Uranus, so something unexpected or sudden could occur. I dont know what/when to expect though! Where are the mundane astrologers!!

freedomlover · #7 05-20-2009, 06:14 PM

Some observations:

Progressed Chiron is conjunct, (approaching exact within a few arc minutes)
the natal Part of Fortune at 22*Sag in the 2nd. (California was populated by Americans largely because of the Gold Rush, was it not? )

Natally, Jupiter at 29* Virgo in the 11th is exactly inconjunct a tight Uranus(r)/Pluto(r) conjunction at 29*Aries in the 6th. In the Progressed Chart, Mercury in Capricorn in the 10th is exactly trine natal Jupiter in Virgo, and exactly square the natal UR/PL conjunction in the 6th.

Mars in Aquarius is sitting exactly on the Progressed South Node in the 10th. Mars/SN is exactly squaring the natal Ascendant, sextiling natal Chiron in Sag/2nd, and semi-sextiling natal Neptune(r) in Pisces/4th.

In addition, Progressed Jupiter(r) is conjunct the Progressed Part of Fortune at 21/22*Libra/6th, which is exactly sextile the natal Part of Fortune in Sag/2nd, and of course Progessed Chiron in Sag/8th.

I don't know why, but I see some kind of a humanitarian movement in all this. What does this have to do with the topic of this thread? Well, look what kind of effect Hurricane Katrina had - much awareness of the need to look out for our fellow man. There already is a growing humanitarian movement in California - much awareness even in Hollywood. What effect do you think a devastating earthquake, or series of earthquakes would have? The chart would represent both Mundane and spiritual growth of the people - depending on which way you were looking at it to read it. I'm sure the two will go hand in hand.

I'm not skilled in Mundane astrology. However, I have to wonder, also, about the longer term upcoming transit of Uranus in Aries. I wonder what kind of effect an Uranus return in Aries will have - hitting the natal Ur/Pl (R) conjunction in Aries at the critical 29th degree?

Also, Progressed Ascendant has just entered Taurus, and so Progressed Descendant is within 1 degree of conjuncting natal Venus in Scorpio. Then the Moon, then the Ascendant/Descendant axis will exactly switch places.
I'm wondering what all that could mean - a complete change of direction?
Maybe the state will go bankrupt, and need other people's money? Or the earthquakes could prove so devastating, that lots of other people rush in with money and provision?

Just some thoughts..... I tried to stay on topic with the thread, from the angle I was able to view it from.

Thanks for the thread, Jesusistheway!

FL

katydid · #8 05-20-2009, 06:51 PM

Well, I am sitting here in California, and trying to stay objective in light of those progressions and transits.
We have had 2 small tumblers in the past week, and I felt them both, and kind of held my breath, waiting to see what next...

For some reason I do not think the problems this June are going to be the BIG ONE. I really don't think so. Famous last words...lol

I think it is more about our impending bankruptcy. Our tax refunds are now I.O.U.'s sent back to us, out teachers are being laid off in droves and our Emt's , fire fighters and cops are going to be cut back next.

Our housing market is in the tank, unemployment is highest in the nation, and businesses are leaving by the hundreds. So I can see the possibilities in these transits/progressions without even having an earthquake. [ Pr Chiron meets POF , pr Asc enters Taurus]

LionKing · #9 05-20-2009, 07:25 PM

Starlink... it seems that you are correct with that. I will send you a link that you might find interesting. v/r LionKing

http://altairastrology.wordpress.com...area-location/

freedomlover · #10 05-20-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by katydid

I think it is more about our impending bankruptcy. Our tax refunds are now I.O.U.'s sent back to us, out teachers are being laid off in droves and our Emt's , fire fighters and cops are going to be cut back next.

Our housing market is in the tank, unemployment is highest in the nation, and businesses are leaving by the hundreds. So I can see the possibilities in these transits/progressions without even having an earthquake. [ Pr Chiron meets POF , pr Asc enters Taurus]

That's odd that you wrote that. I had no idea that the state WAS on the brink of impending bankruptcy. I live in the boondocks - and no TV (no phones, no lights, no motorcars, - not a single luxury----ah, wait a minute, that's Gilligan's Island

) But seriously - no tv - never listen to radio or get much news of any sort. I had no idea. But that's what the chart was screaming to me.

Yeah, if it's going on already - don't need an earthquake. I was trying to tie what I saw in the chart with the topic of the thread. A serious earthquake would certainly intensify the situation.

I do wonder about Prog.Mars at 29*Cap squaring the Natal Ur/Pl conjunction in Aries. Both of them are in earth-sign houses, too. I wonder what that would mean on a mundane level, as pertaining to earthquakes? The December 31 eclipse at 10' 14" Cancer will exactly oppose the Progressed Venus in Cap, too.(Venus in Cap currently at 9'59" Cap, probably very close to arc minute opposition by end of year) hmmm...
Aren't eclipses supposed to be connected to natural disasters?

aquarius7000 · #11 05-21-2009, 04:25 AM

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Mercury is the traditional ruler of earthquakes isn't it?

Yes, Mercury is the natural significator of earthquakes, at least as per traditional Astrology, but Uranus also rules tremors, which is what earthquakes are: sudden tremors.

If a place is so 'prone' to earthquakes, then this should be reflected in the natal chart, and some transit(s) set(s) this natal affinity into motion.

Looking at the natal chart briefly, we note quite a few pointers in this regard. Uranus closely opposes the unstable Moon and Venus on the Asc. Same holds for Pluto (destruction and regeneration; the underground activities or currents) as regards the Moon and Venus. All the outers aspect the Asc. Airy Merc is in opposition to Saturn's groundedness and stability. Same goes for Mars (violent movements) as regards Saturn. Merc's closeness to violent Mars. Look at the amount of fire and air, even water in the chart as compared to earth, and the cardinal planets, esp Merc & Mars. Though the Sun is in earthy Virgo, but is ruled by Merc. 4th house of foundation/fundament is in airy Aquarius (though a fixed sign, but also known for sudden, unpredictable changes). What would have been really typical of the subject is a Ura-Mars aspect, but I can't see at least any major aspect, but Uranus is disposited by Mars, which in turn is in an air sign. Neptune (water, under-sea currents) in the 4th house also causes anything but stability there, and note that it also aspects the planets around the Asc. Oh, and if we were to consider the nodes for a moment, the so-called ill-fated South Node is conjunct the IC, in the 4th, just like the Dark Moon, too.

The current transits show a very active Pluto, aspecting everything possible in the chart except the Sun and Merc-Mars conj, I think. Saturn has recently gone direct again and is conjunct the Sun. Mars is currently conjunct natal Saturn and opposing the Mars-Merc conjunction. The N-Node is in about a 4°conjunction to the IC and closely conj the Dark Moon, and the South Node is opposing them, and both are in a 0°01' square to the natal Moon at the Asc; so also squaring the duo at the DC. The long-term transiting trio in Aqua of Nep-Jup-Chi is passing over the 4th house. So much for now.

AQ7

Jesusistheway · #12 05-21-2009, 08:07 AM

thanks everyone for all your replies. it is an interesting thread as it is something very current and can be predicted. if i knew as much as you guys/gals know i would compare the astrological weather of the present time or coming months, to that of a actual earthquake from the past and/or economic collapse. however perhaps los angeles will not go through the big one but san francisco. i also check out dream forums and some people have spoken of a tsunami striking SF. that the dream was so vivid, it made them think it was prophetic. and even some grass roots christians are talking about it too, but that's a whole other subject. can anyone compare the present astrological weather to that of a past event? for instance, when indonesia was hit by a tsunami what did the heavenly bodies reflect in this? and for the SF earthquake what was going on there? I'm not sure if your interested in this but i read a prediction from a site called revelation13 this person uses the bible code, nostradamus, bible prophecies, book of revelation, astrology and new age geography to get his predictions.
http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames8a.html
so this link speaks of a possible earthquake in 2010 along the san andreas fault and a possible tsunami wave. unfortunately the only date he came up with is 2010. at least it can spark off a search into something else to understand coming events.
i should have used my user id as "Jesusisontheway" that would be more accurate (inside joke)
well i'll keep educating myself on this one, because its like solving an unsolved mystery.

starlink · #13 05-21-2009, 08:42 PM

Thanks a lot for the link Lion King. Boy I am glad I dont live in those regions, but my mother in law does. She lives very close to San Bernardino.I just visited her in April (maybe just in time....EEK!).

There are loads of exact aspects going on in the California chart, transits and progressed positions. It does look very scary to me. Moon usually serves as a trigger, so that is one to keep looking at and most certainly Mercury. I also really dont like that Pluto conjunct the Ascendant.

I know that in Nicaragua they have some sort of Earthquake forecast, just like we have the weatherforecast. Does something like that exists in California? I mean, for the public to follow on a daily basis, so that people can prepare themselves. Must not think about it!!

freedomlover · #14 05-22-2009, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by aquarius7000

Yes, Mercury is the natural significator of earthquakes, at least as per traditional Astrology, but Uranus also rules tremors, which is what earthquakes are: sudden tremors.

If a place is so 'prone' to earthquakes, then this should be reflected in the natal chart, and some transit(s) set(s) this natal affinity into motion.
AQ7

So, what do you think about Progressed Mercury at 29* Cap in the 10th - squaring exactly the natal Uranus(r)/Pluto(r) conjunction at 29*Aries in the 6th? If Mercury signifies earthquakes, and Uranus does, too .... uh-oh? And then when Progressed Mercury moves into 0/1 Aquarius, the sign ruled by Aquarius, but still in an out-of-sign square?

FL

cassanra · #15 05-22-2009, 10:34 PM

Okay well I am going to track this one as we are working on a visit to see my sister....in California...around June 14th for my birthday. I think I would fly in to Los angles. Yikes.
I am a little nervous as the lunar chart for that month (beginning may 31) has moon on the 9th cusp opposing Uranus in the 3rd and saturn in a wide conjunction to the moon.
Capricorn rules the lunar chart and has pluto and my natal saturn on the ascendant. Natal saturn on the cusp would indicate delays. I have been sitting on the fence on this one...do I go or not.
Hmmm Any advise?

starlink · #16 05-24-2009, 04:44 PM

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do I go or not.

Good question for a horary Cass!!

cassanra · #17 05-25-2009, 12:01 AM

it was postponed...too much trouble going on at home to leave right now.But I will be watching the news...you betcha ya.

starlink · #18 05-25-2009, 09:21 AM

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it was postponed...

Well, maybe for the best! I will be watching as well!

Reyka · #19 05-26-2009, 01:08 AM

I am not very good at interpreting charts, especially regarding things instead of people, and I've been wondering if someone can take the trouble to link all the recent big/medium eartquake (meaning above 3.0 degrees on the Richters Scale) grounds charts, and make a more precise forecast for shocks in the near future...

There's already a thread about the quake in Italy, that took place on April 6th:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ght=earthquake

and this one about the shocks in Cali.

But there were plenty of other shocks throughout the world, like the one in
Saudi Arabia: http://earth.esa.int/ew/planning/pl_...abia_may09.htm

then ongoing shocks in Greece (5.1 degree the other night in Northern Greece);

The list goes on...

P.S.: Wait, this website can be very helpful!:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/

katydid · #20 06-08-2009, 04:52 PM

Looks like we made it safely through the Full Moon without an earthquake.

I will have to watch the local news today to see what happened if anything.

starlink · #21 06-08-2009, 05:02 PM

Yes Katy, I was thinking the same thing! But it could come later, you never know.

smilingsteph · #22 06-08-2009, 05:39 PM

I have been reading and been more interested in Geology
In this book titled Northwest Exposure by David Alt and Donald Hyndman

They address the future of the San Andreas Fault and California:
"If the Sand Andreas fault continues to move as it has during the last 15 or so million years, it will detach the part of California west of the fault from the rest of California"

So basically, Los Angeles will detach, and will become its own island (and it wont happen overnight!)

They address the earthquake issue:
"Most estimates suggest that costal areas of the Northwest should expect an earthquake of magnitude 8.5-9 about every 500-600 years." "These giant earthquakes seem likely to hit coastal areas 50-100 miles west of Seattle or Portland."

We are due! Due to Geologists the last "big one" was about 600 years ago.

The San Andreas and the Queen Charlotte faults will converge to create a new moutain range that will create a new costal range, that will basically build new mountains on the pacific coast, whiche the Cascade Mountain Range will sink and dwindle.

According to the usgs earthquake page, California had 40 earthquakes already today! http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...eqs1day-M1.txt

So California did have an earthquake and has up to 50 per day....

Now they say that this constant release of energy in California is good along this fault. If you go North, to Portland and Seattle, it has been pretty quiet. I would rather live in a place knowing that the energy of the earth is constantly being released, than living in a place where it is building and building.

I think it would be of interest to look into the Seattle, Puget Sound areas for the "big one."

samsum78 · #23 06-08-2009, 07:49 PM

What's interesting here in the chart is that Neptune was discovered in 1846 and the state of California established around 1850.

So California is due for a Neptune Return and it is also the first Neptune Return since the discovery of Neptune. Neptune represents the Seas in mundane astrology.

in 2010 We have T-squares coming up with Uranus, Saturn and Pluto with aspects to Natal Jupiter.

However the Aug 2010 T-Square is more powerful since Mars and Venus join Saturn as well.

From July 23rd to Aug 25 2010 this is a stressful aspect especially when dealing with the Moon Squares and oppositions.

Devoted · #24 06-08-2009, 09:11 PM

This is so fascinating. I am trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can. I have a lot of family in CA and we are flying out there this fall. (Eeek!)

Bryan · #25 06-13-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Devoted

This is so fascinating. I am trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can. I have a lot of family in CA and we are flying out there this fall. (Eeek!)

I live in Southern California. I don't think any one here denies the possibility of a huge earthquake: it's happened many times before, and it's a risk Californians have assumed by living in the Golden State. I think the point in finding the limits of predictive astrology and the lessons learned from large-scale natural disasters is that we are just animals living off Mother Nature. Large-scale death puts life in its true perspective as just a temporary illusion of the collective's mind. Just give your life up to the cycles of Mother Nature as you unwittingly have done when you came into this world, fortify the foundations of your homes, expect neighborhood refugees, fires from broken gas lines, a lack of food and water, and all the rest that big quakes introduce to our 'sheltered' lives.

With that said, I do not want to fall victim to a collapsed roof because of some structural point that was overlooked by a deluded construction manager, but I will do every thing in my power not to be distracted by finer details in preparing for the worst while still appreciating every thing life has given me and continues to give, moment by moment.